Topic: [300 PH][BTC PPS 100%][EN/CN/RU] Sigmapool.com - page 2. (Read 1879 times)

0% FEE was removed from the title thread. Is it still acceptable to advertise 100% PPS? Given the numbers provided by Stryfe, what would be the actual estimated fee % for this pool?

Doubtful, quite a few of us made the "stink" before kano got involved.

Yes, that satisfies it from my point of view.

Yet again, making various false accusations about me, and ignoring facts

Try reading the VERY FIRST reply anyone made to SigmaPool ...

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.49697798

... and their reply claiming a fee isn't a fee

Edit: P.S. the pool web page (that you are advertising in your sig) still says "No fees" (as at the time of this edit)

Now that we've got that straight. When will the OP correct the subject heading?

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Not debatable, check the git, rather than having a biased and false opinion.

The campaign shouldn't have started saying it was a no fee pool, but you were happy to receive payment and go ahead with it.
The rest of your posts were making up excuses for that, and trying (and failing) to trash me, including false accusations about me
Which, in each case, I've replied.

There is nothing false I've stated in my posts.
You, on the other hand, have a number of false statements and accusations.

Does it?  That's debatable.

"Majority developer of the ckpool code"

Seems to me like even your signature is a slap in the face to the man who carried you where you are today.



That's why I'm pushing to have the claim removed and have already done so from the campaign.  Will you still be angry if/when the claim is removed from the website and thread?  Is there some ulterior motive?  I see you insulting me, who is trying to help you bring positive change to this pool and their advertising (which I've already done my part and am pressuring the pool to do theirs both directly and through intermediaries).  I get that you're an asshole with your own predetermined and paranoid judgements, but do you want my help to resolve this or not? 

Maybe if I put it in big bold red letters you'll understand...

WHAT WOULD MAKE YOU HAPPY?  WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO ACHIEVE?
(Bonus points if you can articulate it without insulting someone or claiming you have superior intellect.)

I have posted the real numbers in several posts - having left 5 miners on their pool for enough time to get 5 payouts.

The pool going broke or not is not something i would discuss, from miner's point of view specially those looking for PPS the pool is considered to have the lowest fees at the moment, and given the fact it's PPS the moment something goes wrong one can easily switch to another pool.

having said that, i do think it's 100% unethical and deceiving to claim something that's not true, the pool does NOT have 0% fees and that has to be clearly stated, and since block fees are not constant, mentioning that they are keeping the block fees is good enough.

I will give the OP 2 days to fix that or else i will have to tag them for "scamming users by keeping block fees without mentioning it".

tho i do hope they would fix it, as it's only good for everyone's own benefit to have pools competition.

This is the right thing to do, be clear on the terms so people can trust you. This might be something about the Russian culture to "stretch" words in the name of advertising... Many posts back I suggested this thread should change its title, namely remove the 0% FEE. and perhaps modify the PPS 100% to show the actual number.

Incidentally, this pool has yet to appear in the pinned BTC Mining Pools List thread, i was expecting to see it listed there with the real numbers, but nothing so far.

So can anyone clarify what the real numbers for this pool are?

Unlike you, my sig always tell the truth ... no one pays me to put it there

The obvious point that you had no issue with being part of a signature campaign that you could EASILY check, but the campaign was lying and you went ahead anyway.
But the even more obvious point for those unable to overcome the challenge of working out how a pool works, multiple people (including Sigmapool) have posted that information here in the past already, so you didn't even bother to check the Sigmapool thread on the forum where the signature campaign was ...

No updates to the web site will make the claim true.
The only way to make the claim true is to charge no fees ... which Sigmapool have stated, from the start, here in this thread, that they do charge fees
... which is what lead to the whole discussion here about the requirements of running a PPS pool.
Feel free to go tell Meni Rosenfeld that he doesn't know what he's talking about also

these are the two points which they do not make very clear. To call it "fee-less" simply because they withhold the transaction fees and the "network" charges a fee is misleading and something they should clarify.

but either way - with them not paying the transaction fees and then having to pay the network fee - even with their 5% bonus for first 30 days,  they end up being one of the lowest paying pools for pps.

and now after looking further - there are other issues which makes their site unclear and not straight forward - for the 5% bonus, they show it as an amount of BTC per TH/s

however, if you look at the payments - it is not a BTC per TH/s bonus but instead the total bonus for that day and is in fact 5% of the daily earnings - so really, they just need to clarify that the bonus they display is not the BTC per TH/s  but total BTC bonus.

That being said, they net out to be of the lowest paying pps pools that I have used, so not worth it in my opinion to mine here.

Look, I get that your goal is to remove all competition so you can keep eating off miners.  You are clearly financially motivated.  I am not, as I couldn't care less about the few bitcents I'm paid for running this campaign.  Seeing you insult me and act like those funds are somehow important to me shows that 1) you don't know what the fuck you're talking about & 2) you are so scared and hell bent on trying to remove any perceived competition from your pool whatsoever, you will insult innocent members who are trying to help people grow here.  How truly pathetic.  I had no idea you were so fearful of competition.  I guess this bear market has been harder on pool operators than I noticed.  Probably explains why the brains of your operation went a different route with his pool.

I'll say it again, if there are claims that you or anyone is threatened by, you can make a clear case on what you would be satisfied with, and I will work with the pool to get any questionable claims removed, or further explained for transparency.  If anyone would like to make suggestions on steps the pool should take to correct questionable advertising claims, I would love to hear them so that I can work to have the changes implemented.  If you want to cry about competition and insult people out of fear that your free lunch is threatened, you're only damaging the attempts to bring transparency to this pool and delaying any action, which is not appreciated by anyone.

I have received communication regarding this issue and am suggesting that any questionable claims be clearly explained on the site.  Notably, it should say that users pay the network fees for their payouts and that the pool keeps the network transaction fees from solved blocks.  Is there anything else I missed?



Pretty typical.  If you have any recommendations for how to properly resolve this issue, feel free to PM me.  I'm not getting any constructive responses from kano, so clearly he isn't interested in bringing anything positive to this thread and just wants a platform to whine and call names.



Perhaps he wasn't trying to deceive people into not mining with this pool and he's just not very smart.  That seems to contradict his own statements, but maybe I'm just too dumb to post here too.  I'll post on your thread asking for suggestions on changes to their advertising and see if maybe a kano-less conversation (if he isn't already crying there as well) could perhaps lead to some positive changes.

EDIT - oops it's locked.

EDIT #2 - I have removed the "no fee" claim from the signature advertising campaign and messaged all participants that they should immediately remove this claim as well while we await updates to be made to the website.

Time's up.  Pop Quiz hot shot...what do you do?

Indeed we are not similar.
You can be bought (and very easily)

Few people consider using a small part of their brain, to do VERY simple math, a knee jerk reaction.

Yeah it might be a tough one for you, or a knee jerk reaction to notice it, but indeed (100 - payout fees) is less than the current ~101.7

Though knowing that current ~101.7 number would require a (very) little amount of knowledge of how bitcoin mining works.

The goal shouldn't be shutting down a signature campaign, the goal should be transparency.  If they are making claims that are suspect, we should see that they are addressed, either with a change to their advertisement claims, or by changing their service to meet their claims.  That is positive change I would like to be a part of.  I've sent them a message requesting more information that has not yet been responded to.  If they have not responded to my message with some sort of an action plan in the next 24 hours, I will determine my action going forward.  One thing I will not do is make a knee jerk reaction.

As to kano, I am not an idiot, nor is my motivation financial.  Don't make the mistake of thinking we are similar.  

we have all asked for them to address it, they skirt it and avoid it.

LOL
Trying to justify why you readily accepted payment to have a sig that lies and didn't check it beforehand

You now know it's a lie ... or you're an idiot who doesn't know anything about bitcoin pools ... you tell me which one it is

Edit: P.S. Provide one, not every pool like you have said, just one link here on the forum that is me "whine about every other pool here for years in your own self interest"
You ran a (dubious) pool so you 'supposedly' know how pools work ... so you know your sig is a lie.