Topic: [300 PH][BTC PPS 100%][EN/CN/RU] Sigmapool.com - page 4. (Read 1898 times)

Or is it to accurate.

You are mining "without" receiving transaction fees  Con
You are mining "without" paying fees for it out of pocket or from your implied reward   Pro
You are mining "without" knowledge of transaction fees being your responsibility.  Con

Either way I'd move on, my payouts/fees have all been crystal clear this weekend.

Yeah that's a payout fee ... and they also keep the mining transaction fees ...

... even though they still lie about it:

The pool doesn't pay the bitcoin network commission for the transaction. I believe these satoshis you lack is the bitcoin network commission.

am I wrong to assume that the payments that are reflected in miner dashboard should be equal to what is shown on the block chain? Is the mining pool charging me a fee to send me my payment? which I don't mind except they say zero fees - but I know they keep the transaction fees so they are only dispersing the 12.5 btc block reward but it seems as if they are also then charging a small - very small - fee to send miners their payments.

My miners will be removed from the pool (of course) until this is answered by sigmapool

Your questions will go unanswered I'm guessing.

ahh i just saw on my phone the notification that my posts got deleted - they tend to always get deleted if I ask questions about how things are working - in this case, the two were just merged.

as for the other stuff about this pool - my question is simply why does the pool show one payment when the block chain shows a lower payment - I mine on several pools - a couple large ones and several smaller ones - this is the only pool where my payments do not match.

I was also told that I was making substantial accusations against Sigma and that I should not be expected that my word to be easily taken. It was also suggested that I might just be trying to stir up trouble. All of that confuses me - there is no "my word" my question comes directly from what Sigma shows on site and what those very same transactions show on the block chain. I am by no means an expert on mining - hence why I asked the question on the mismatched values seeing as other pools match.

In the attached image (I am assuming the copy paste of the transactions is what led to the "my word" statement) I show the payment page from Sigma and the transactions from the pool for 3 payments I got from Sigma - in all 3 cases the amount reported on the payment page is higher than what was submitted - verified by pulling the pulling the transaction on the block chain.

For comparison, I also show the last payment I received from kano.is via the rewards page (have to use the second one as the first one shown there has not yet reached enough confirmations to be sent out) and it matches the block chain amount exactly.

So - am I being charged a fee after the payment is issued? or is sigma sending less than they state?

Dave F. had a great point.  I did some more math and I came up with this model:

at 300ph for the next 2 weeks this pool needs to pay 175 coins

https://bitcoinwisdom.com/bitcoin/difficulty

I plugged in 300 ph.  so 175/12.5 =  14 blocks.

if  you are expected to do 14.17 blocks and do 12  it is .75 cdf

if you are expected to do  11.34 blocks and do 5 it is .988 cdf   this is a decent long shot

https://www.kano.is/index.php?k=pblocks

all info is from here.

So this pool at 300 ph with really bad luck  would only hit  say 6 blocks during the next jump  and lose 8 blocks.

What does a loss of 100 coins do for them?  Logically it hurts small pools  such as

pool.ckpool
solo.ckpool
mmpool
kano

So like Dave said  this pool paying  just over 99% of the 12.5 coins would only be doing so to hurt smaller pools.

I continue to support smaller pools as much as I can with my own personal hash.

http://mmpool.org/statistics
17   29501a4c   0.02694736   0.00000000   7,985,682,288   7,058,812

http://ckpool.org/miners
29   16yLHLoeyuCLPMXkVpC3gyrRYvwRGwjKJr   19.9TH/s   13.8TH/s   13.6TH/s   2   15,890,008,940   74545449022

Dave F. thinks the pool was created to simply kill off small pools. He had a good point and I know Phil liked his point.

A mod did that. As this is not a self modded thread.

Frodocooper may have cleaned up the posts you made.

I said I would not post here as fighting with kano over me being wrong and an idiot is not worth it.

So this is directly to you

Maybe so but a few cents are missing but overall it is doing better than any other pool I am currently in and I now have it set to pay daily.

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maybe you could see my posts above and elaborate on how there are no fees? The amount reported in my payments screen are not equal to what was actually received by me nor equal to what was actually sent on the block chain - which, by the way, your transaction links are broken - they point to "blockchair" not "blockchain."

Slowly but surely, they're bleeding you dry.

Just say no to this scam pool.

I tossed 5 S9's on here for nothing else than the 5% bonus.

below is my first week - not counting the first day as it was a partial though.

Date   Avg. hashrate 24h   Earnings   Profitability   
20-02-2019   68.57 TH/s   0.00284472 BTC   0.00004148 BTC/TH/s   + 0.00001422 BTC/TH/s bonus
19-02-2019   69.44 TH/s   0.00288081 BTC   0.00004148 BTC/TH/s   + 0.00001440 BTC/TH/s bonus
18-02-2019   70.17 TH/s   0.00291108 BTC   0.00004148 BTC/TH/s   + 0.00001456 BTC/TH/s bonus
17-02-2019   69.23 TH/s   0.00287175 BTC   0.00004148 BTC/TH/s   + 0.00001436 BTC/TH/s bonus
16-02-2019   69.50 TH/s   0.00288297 BTC   0.00004148 BTC/TH/s   + 0.00001441 BTC/TH/s bonus
15-02-2019   69.31 TH/s   0.00287513 BTC   0.00004148 BTC/TH/s   + 0.00001438 BTC/TH/s bonus
14-02-2019   69.67 TH/s   0.00289013 BTC   0.00004148 BTC/TH/s   + 0.00001445 BTC/TH/s bonus
13-02-2019   16.59 TH/s   0.00068804 BTC   0.00004148 BTC/TH/s   + 0.00000344 BTC/TH/s bonus

first payment was 0.01104313 - and now sitting with 0.01151077 and accruing waiting for it to hit the time they do payout - which should be in the next hour or so.

I can say this - the amount they send and what I receive are not the same

First payment sent was: 0.011043134438 - I received .011026, a difference of .00001713 BTC (.109%)
Second payment sent was: 0.012101170225 - I received .012088 a difference of .00001317 BTC (.155%)
(I am not carrying it out to 12 decimal places as sigma appears to do)

It appears to be some sort of fee on the payment - no other pool I use is being charged this fee - what the other pools send is what I get.

For reference, my last payment from kano.is:
Payment sent was 0.01050444 - I received 0.01050444

I can see that the amount on the blockchain transaction matches what I got from Sigma but does not match what they record as sent.

for the first payment:

on Sigma dashboard - 107d4e58acbacb4faccac3218bd5916608273110e01a09a41cfe007f7b0f6502 0.011043134438

on block chain - 1LD6V8VNXfCTNzRyV6bj2vBhNg6VLTA2Ps 0.01102686 BTC

for the second payment:

on Sigma dashboard - 19ced6b02b7418241bcb6bf20e8a0a70dd7a72a2243f26962b48830d868f1bfa  0.012101170225

on block chain - 1LD6V8VNXfCTNzRyV6bj2vBhNg6VLTA2Ps 0.01208892 BTC

payments do not match between sigma dashboard and actual payment on blockchain

and with the kano.is transaction:

on kano website -
Block   Block UTC   Miner Reward   N Diff   N Range   Pool N Avg   Your %   Your N Diff   Your N Avg   Your BTC
561503   2019-Feb-04 12:50   12.41932163   29.086T   429hr 52m 30s   80.72PHs   0.08%   24.601G   68.28THs   0.01050444

on block chain - 1LD6V8VNXfCTNzRyV6bj2vBhNg6VLTA2Ps 0.01050444 BTC

payment matches between kano.is and blockchain

Here is my "Google translation" in bbcode (because google docs are overrated):

Pool name

Pool power

Btc payout thresholds

Support rus

application

AsicBoost

payment systems

Special features

1 TH * 24 hours in BTC

Fee

Fact of accrual

network commission

1

EXpool

3 PH

not

not

not

Yes

PPS

Manual registration. Manual payout. Own firmware.

0,00004179

0%

0,00004179

pays for pool

2

Sigmapool

207 PH

0,001

rus

development

Yes

PPS

pool commission 0%. Detailed statistics that some even scares. There is a FREE firmware for overclocking antminer s9. PROMO CODES (bonus to income + 0.5%)

0,00004148

0,5%

0,00004168

there is

3

Dpool

1,65 EH

0,001

English

*Yes

Yes

FPPS PPLNS

* The application is not available in the Russian Appstore. * Asic added to Pool in a few seconds / Hashrate 1 in 1 matches what the asic shows

0,00004084

1,5%

0,00004084

pays for pool

4

Antpool

3,63 EH

0,001

rus \ engl

Yes

Yes

PPS+ PPLNS SOLO

charges you 2% plus about, but first takes 4%. The usual Chinese pool. Sometimes it cuts the hashrate. And oochen for a long time connects the asic to the personal account. 4% plus, and 2 take away)))

0,00004231

4%

0,00004045

pays for pool

5

BTC.com

6,6 EH

0,001

English

Yes

Yes

FPPS

Plain Chinese with NMC Commission and Coin

0,00004148

2%

0,00004029

pays for pool

6

F2pool

4731 PH

0,005

English

Yes

Yes

PPS+

Pay the network commission. Sometimes the cereit is cut .. Poole Chinese.

0,00004129

2,5%

0,00004025

pays for pool

It's on the main page, 0.00004148 BTC / TH/s currently. The calculator is at the dashboard section, you will probably have to create an account.

Just to add - I've been mining at the op since September 2018, and despite having a bad luck spree with blocks, they managed to make the payouts every day. So I do believe they have a reserve (no idea how big it is).
Furthermore, they proved to be the most profitable.
A friend of mine, Homeminer @youtube (not a product placement) has ASICs set up at different pools and he has a spreadsheet updated with every difficulty change (though it is in russian - there won't be difficulties with understanding it).

https://drive.google.com/file/d/12lZZfG_raBWe2NssfZDSo-sBBc8-3Qfr/view

I would say 12 hours is to small a sample though, depending on the miner it could have been 1/2 hour of startup connections and miner configuration. Also hard numbers as mentioned do help.

For curiosity sake I paroused their site, I  couldn't find an expected earnings calculator anywhere. It's been a long time since I mined PPS, but that was always available when I did.

I didn't sign up for an account to look deeper; was there any explanation of how much approximately per TH/24 hours?

Yes, but it would be more interesting and for the benefit of others, if you would tell us the actual numbers. And which pools do you refer to as well.

I tried this pool for 12 hours and if it is going to attract miners needs to increase their PPS more in line with their competition.  With 20th I did not make what I can in 12 hours  with other pools.
edit.........give me a couple days to make a comparison

I am opening a different thread.  Since Kano says I am an idiot and don't have the right to post in this thread.

using meni's formula correctly  and solving meni's formula correctly are not the same thing.

Kano's solving  of the formula and getting 4317.375 is a correct number

Kano saying this pool needs that reserve  to have a low chance 0.1%  of going bankrupt is deceptive.

In fact  he has even deceived his own self and simply refuses to see or agree to what I am saying.

So

1) I don't mine here and won't mine here.
2) I don't believe Kano intentionally acted to deceive anyone.
3) I think he is simply applying the formula blindly.
4) I think he believed I accused him of intentional deception
5) I do not think kano  post the solution to the formula to deceive people on purpose

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.49738589

I have new thread

My intentions is to show that the formula called be solved correctly

and used incorrectly.

Not to show kano was trying to fool people into not mining with this pool.

Oh, wait, I missed out something else here at the start

Phil's early on claim was I was being deceptive.
I've just included a little of that post so it's easy to see:

Well, Phil's claim of me being deceptive is also false.
Why? Coz, before he falsely accused me, I said:
(I added highlight to point it out)

Ha! That's gotta be the most amusing opening salvo to Kano that I've seen.

Looks like they tried to have their talking points in order first.