[4+ EH] Slush Pool (slushpool.com); Overt AsicBoost; World First Mining Pool - page 159.

cris12821

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Dang Difficulty increases. Slush never lets you down. but the raised Difficulty and lowered $/BC sure does.

Looks Like I'll be turning on another 2-3 AntminerS1s next week for a total of 2.2TH/s to sort of bring me back in the game.

It's hard to stay up to date and in the game when your in college and BTC are your ONLY source of income. But it's helped me out so far.

Now I just gotta pull some more invisible money out of my ass for another S3 or 2 Sad

All these S1s I got all over the place is brutal and makes it very hard to maintain them. Tongue

But it works..

I'm stupidly jealous of all of you who can bu many S3s or Miners and still have money to setup a little network for them.

So jealous... Care to share Cheesy

GL to all who has cash flow.

i wonder if the BItcoin network knows that if they turn of 10% of their miners for a few weeks that the diff will drop dramsitaclly which will increase their profit DRAMASTICALLy. but naw. everyones theory. I'ma add more power soo i can make more money... but because i keep adding more to make more money i have to add eve more to make even more money because the diff keeps going up.

Uncommon sense i tell ya... It's no longer Common sense.

MrTeal

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Quote from: pikachuy on November 20, 2014, 03:46:33 PM

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That's not really abusing the score system, since doing that you will actually end up with less coins than if you just mined on Slush 100% of the time. When you're pool hopping you want to mine on the proportional pool (or Slush's Pool) at the very start of a round, and then hop away after a certain period of time if a block hasn't been found.

I thought with slush's pool, if the block is long and you only contributed in the first portion of the block and you leave elsewhere, your score/shares become becomes useless.

You do. However, you're less likely to solve a block in a given amount of time near the end of the block than at the start. ooc has a good blog post on slush's pool from quite awhile ago that is good reading.
http://howtohop.blogspot.ca/2012/03/how-to-hop-part-1-slushs-pool.html

pikachuy

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That's not really abusing the score system, since doing that you will actually end up with less coins than if you just mined on Slush 100% of the time. When you're pool hopping you want to mine on the proportional pool (or Slush's Pool) at the very start of a round, and then hop away after a certain period of time if a block hasn't been found.

I thought with slush's pool, if the block is long and you only contributed in the first portion of the block and you leave elsewhere, your score/shares becomes useless.

On the side note, what I'm trying to say is why should a person get almost the same payout if they only came and mine for the last 5 hours of the long block, when someone has been contributing for the same whole 17+ hour block will get similar payout also.

MrTeal

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Quote from: pikachuy on November 20, 2014, 03:34:55 PM

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That's almost like the opposite of pool hopping. Waiting until the block is underway and trying to get in for the last few hours is a good way to lose a lot of coins.

Yea, I'm just saying the score system can be abused. For example, lets say you mine on a PPLNS pool normally, and you've been mining on the PPLNS pool for 12 hours now. You then noticed that slush's pool is having a long block period, like 12+ hours, you then hop onto slush's pool, and hope it solves in a couple of hours or so. 5 hours later, slush's block was solved, and your payout is almost similar as if you were mining for the whole 17 hours on slush's pool. But in reality, you also mined 12 hours on the PPLNS pool and you will still get your shares from the PPLNS but you will also get your payout from only mining on slush's pool for 5 hours. And with how the score system works, your payout will almost be similar to as if you were mining for the whole 17 hours, or the last 5 hours of when the block was solved.

And after that long block was solved from slush's pool, you return back normally to the PPLNS pool.

That's not really abusing the score system, since doing that you will actually end up with less coins than if you just mined on Slush 100% of the time. When you're pool hopping you want to mine on the proportional pool (or Slush's Pool) at the very start of a round, and then hop away after a certain period of time if a block hasn't been found.

MrTeal

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Quote from: dmwardjr on November 20, 2014, 03:30:04 PM

Is it possible we could have our first ever decrease in difficulty the next difficulty change?

Very possible!

We'll see...

Bitcoin Difficulty:   40,300,030,328
Estimated Next Difficulty:   40,303,871,431 (+0.01%)
Adjust time:   After 1748 Blocks, About 12.1 days
Hashrate(?):   285,000,092 GH/s
Block Generation Time(?):
1 block: 10.0 minutes
3 blocks: 29.9 minutes
6 blocks: 59.8 minutes
Updated:   14:10 (14.2 minutes ago)

There's been decreases in difficulty before, it's just been awhile.

pikachuy

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That's almost like the opposite of pool hopping. Waiting until the block is underway and trying to get in for the last few hours is a good way to lose a lot of coins.

Yea, I'm just saying the score system can be abused. For example, lets say you mine on a PPLNS pool normally, and you've been mining on the PPLNS pool for 12 hours now. You then noticed that slush's pool is having a long block period, like 12+ hours, you then hop onto slush's pool, and hope it solves in a couple of hours or so. 5 hours later, slush's block was solved, and your payout is almost similar as if you were mining for the whole 17 hours on slush's pool. But in reality, you also mined 12 hours on the PPLNS pool and you will still get your shares from the PPLNS but you will also get your payout from only mining on slush's pool for 5 hours. And with how the score system works, your payout will almost be similar to as if you were mining for the whole 17 hours, or the last 5 hours of when the block was solved.

And after that long block was solved from slush's pool, you return back normally to the PPLNS pool.

dmwardjr

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Is it possible we could have our first ever decrease in difficulty the next difficulty change?

Very possible!

We'll see...

Bitcoin Difficulty:   40,300,030,328
Estimated Next Difficulty:   40,303,871,431 (+0.01%)
Adjust time:   After 1748 Blocks, About 12.1 days
Hashrate(?):   285,000,092 GH/s
Block Generation Time(?):
1 block: 10.0 minutes
3 blocks: 29.9 minutes
6 blocks: 59.8 minutes
Updated:   14:10 (14.2 minutes ago)

MrTeal

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Quote from: pikachuy on November 20, 2014, 03:12:20 PM

Quote from: MrTeal on November 20, 2014, 09:04:04 AM

Quote from: Sir Alan on November 20, 2014, 09:00:24 AM

Quote from: kano on November 20, 2014, 06:24:21 AM

Anyone who make decisions based on luck, clearly doesn't understand the statistics of bitcoin mining.

... which is why I am amused by the pool-hoppers who pile aboard after a couple of blocks are found in quick succession (and irritated by the consequent reduction in payouts per block - yes, I know that that also is subjective, as in theory it should result in more smaller payouts and make no difference overall).

It's not the same thing as jumping ship when a pool is consistently performing below par, as that could indicate an underlying problem, cf. another pool's past issue with a very large miner which did not report correct results.

Actually I believe Slush's pool is still a little bit hoppable. It's not like a straight proportional pool but it's still possible to come out ahead mining to ~25% on the CDF and then hopping away.

Yea, it's still can be abused/hopped. Last time, one of my miners died for 8 hours during a long block, i was able to get it mining again during the last few hours until it solved the block. I think the block took like 14 hours or so. My payout was still same as usual as before if I was mining there 24/7.

But the issue was that I didn't mine for the first 8 hours in the beginning of the block Huh

In our words, if the block is taking very long, you can basically hop on and get your shares in for a couple of hours till it solves it and you will be almost payed the same as if you mined for the whole duration of the long block.

Score system at it's finest...

That's almost like the opposite of pool hopping. Waiting until the block is underway and trying to get in for the last few hours is a good way to lose a lot of coins.

pikachuy

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Quote from: MrTeal on November 20, 2014, 09:04:04 AM

Quote from: Sir Alan on November 20, 2014, 09:00:24 AM

Quote from: kano on November 20, 2014, 06:24:21 AM

Anyone who make decisions based on luck, clearly doesn't understand the statistics of bitcoin mining.

... which is why I am amused by the pool-hoppers who pile aboard after a couple of blocks are found in quick succession (and irritated by the consequent reduction in payouts per block - yes, I know that that also is subjective, as in theory it should result in more smaller payouts and make no difference overall).

It's not the same thing as jumping ship when a pool is consistently performing below par, as that could indicate an underlying problem, cf. another pool's past issue with a very large miner which did not report correct results.

Actually I believe Slush's pool is still a little bit hoppable. It's not like a straight proportional pool but it's still possible to come out ahead mining to ~25% on the CDF and then hopping away.

Yea, it's still can be abused/hopped. Last time, one of my miners died for 8 hours during a long block, i was able to get it mining again during the last few hours until it solved the block. I think the block took like 14 hours or so. My payout was still same as usual as before if I was mining there 24/7.

But the issue was that I didn't mine for the first 8 hours in the beginning of the block Huh

In our words, if the block is taking very long, you can basically hop on and get your shares in for a couple of hours till it solves it and you will be almost payed the same as if you mined for the whole duration of the long block.

Score system at it's finest...

MrTeal

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Quote from: Sir Alan on November 20, 2014, 09:00:24 AM

Quote from: kano on November 20, 2014, 06:24:21 AM

Anyone who make decisions based on luck, clearly doesn't understand the statistics of bitcoin mining.

... which is why I am amused by the pool-hoppers who pile aboard after a couple of blocks are found in quick succession (and irritated by the consequent reduction in payouts per block - yes, I know that that also is subjective, as in theory it should result in more smaller payouts and make no difference overall).

It's not the same thing as jumping ship when a pool is consistently performing below par, as that could indicate an underlying problem, cf. another pool's past issue with a very large miner which did not report correct results.

Actually I believe Slush's pool is still a little bit hoppable. It's not like a straight proportional pool but it's still possible to come out ahead mining to ~25% on the CDF and then hopping away.

Sir Alan

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Quote from: kano on November 20, 2014, 06:24:21 AM

Anyone who make decisions based on luck, clearly doesn't understand the statistics of bitcoin mining.

... which is why I am amused by the pool-hoppers who pile aboard after a couple of blocks are found in quick succession (and irritated by the consequent reduction in payouts per block - yes, I know that that also is subjective, as in theory it should result in more smaller payouts and make no difference overall).

It's not the same thing as jumping ship when a pool is consistently performing below par, as that could indicate an underlying problem, cf. another pool's past issue with a very large miner which did not report correct results.

kano

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Quote from: TvaiX on November 20, 2014, 05:30:13 AM

Quote from: kano on November 20, 2014, 04:58:55 AM

Quote from: TvaiX on November 20, 2014, 03:56:20 AM

Bitcoin Affiliate Network send me e-mail of comparison that I need to switch to them for bigger rewards of btc...
http://bluebearnc.com/comparing-mining-pools/

I think they caught Slush at bad luck, what do you think?

How did they get your email address ... ?

Early summer when I started mining registered in few popular pools, BitAffNet was one of them.
It just funny that I`m fully on Slush and they send me comparison that Slush has lowest rewards. I think that was time when Slush had bad luck and after that luck turned around.

Anyone who make decisions based on luck, clearly doesn't understand the statistics of bitcoin mining.
Luck is a term that refers to the past, it has no effect at all on the future.
Thinking that it in any way relates to the future is called Gambler's Fallacy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambler%27s_fallacy

TvaiX

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Quote from: kano on November 20, 2014, 04:58:55 AM

Quote from: TvaiX on November 20, 2014, 03:56:20 AM

Bitcoin Affiliate Network send me e-mail of comparison that I need to switch to them for bigger rewards of btc...
http://bluebearnc.com/comparing-mining-pools/

I think they caught Slush at bad luck, what do you think?

How did they get your email address ... ?

Early summer when I started mining registered in few popular pools, BitAffNet was one of them.
It just funny that I`m fully on Slush and they send me comparison that Slush has lowest rewards. I think that was time when Slush had bad luck and after that luck turned around.

kano

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Quote from: TvaiX on November 20, 2014, 03:56:20 AM

Bitcoin Affiliate Network send me e-mail of comparison that I need to switch to them for bigger rewards of btc...
http://bluebearnc.com/comparing-mining-pools/

I think they caught Slush at bad luck, what do you think?

How did they get your email address ... ?

TvaiX

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Bitcoin Affiliate Network send me e-mail of comparison that I need to switch to them for bigger rewards of btc...
http://bluebearnc.com/comparing-mining-pools/

I think they caught Slush at bad luck, what do you think?

dmwardjr

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It would be nice if they had a LIVE feed of bitcoin price at one of the exchanges at the top of the new beta home page; somewhere close to the pool hash rate. Does anyone know if they already have a LIVE feed of bitcoin price posted somewhere in the beta?

jackbox

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Quote from: jterry211 on November 19, 2014, 01:00:15 AM

Go away extra Peta Hash you are messing up my payout...

Thanks,
JT

But the extra Peta Hash should be resulting in more blocks so more payouts to you.

jterry211

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Go away extra Peta Hash you are messing up my payout...

Thanks,
JT

Moria843

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Found Lost beach - quiet now

Just found my second block Grin

Block #330632

Block found shows up in beta version under workers, but I had to go to the old "My Account" page in current version to find out what worker found the block.

Giving credit for blocks found is one of the things I like about slush pool that my other pools don't do.

Added request to development center hoping we can get the blocks found per worker stat back.

Slush, can we get the blocks found per worker stat back?

jackbox

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Quote from: Moria843 on November 18, 2014, 01:02:40 PM

Quote from: jackbox on November 18, 2014, 12:56:03 PM

Quote from: Moria843 on November 18, 2014, 12:43:31 PM

I like the changes. Provides more info. Like everything else, takes a little while to get use to because when you're familiar with the "old friend" that you've used all these years.

I was blown away by information overload and didn't know where to look for what. AFter a few hours of playing around with it I really appreciate having the wealth of information available now.

The only difference I am no liking so much is when a new block is hit. Previously the block list would show processing rewards. Now when you go the your rewards the block is even't shown until the processing is complete. The block list just has lines and doesn't say rewards being calculated as the old site does.

Other than that the new site is growing on me and I am liking it more and more every time I use it.

Click on "Rewards" tab to see the confirmations in progress.

Not confirmations. Newly minted blocks where the rewards have not been calculated yet. No longer show in rewards until payouts calculated. Before would show but with no value until calculation was done. All pending but unconfirmed rewards still show properly.

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