Topic: [4+ EH] Slush Pool (slushpool.com); Overt AsicBoost; World First Mining Pool - page 684. (Read 4382714 times)
June 03, 2013, 05:52:45 AM
Yep, webserver/database not updating (started around 2013-06-03 10:40:00 UTC). Stratums seems to be ok, so no worries.
June 03, 2013, 05:51:02 AM
Anyone one else seeing problems with submitted shares.
All workers are still submitting but none of them are being reflected in the accounts page...
All workers are still submitting but none of them are being reflected in the accounts page...
June 03, 2013, 04:52:19 AM
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Great example, thank you!
I have one question only, on the 3. example, why die my shares when i work normal?
Because the number of shares alive gives you the score which says how much you get rewarded when the block is found. I have one question only, on the 3. example, why die my shares when i work normal?
Score pretty much is youre average hash rate near the time when block is found.
If you ask "Why?", Slush just happens to think this is best way to prevent people from cheating (because its impossible to guess when the next block is found)
June 03, 2013, 04:38:47 AM
Compare this block info:
18339 2013-06-02 14:00:37 2:02:30 19604110 328 0.00000000 239277 25.12461000 95 confirmations left
18331 2013-06-02 04:22:48 2:08:01 19975253 314 0.00046448 239200 25.06660003 18 confirmations left
On 18339 i have stopped the mining on half time, and my previous shares value is 0 ?!
On 18331 i have mined the whole block, but with only one worker.
Thats fair?
Yes, its fair. You completly stopped looking for the block solution, youre shares would be worthless anyway if someone else would not have finished the job you left halfway.18339 2013-06-02 14:00:37 2:02:30 19604110 328 0.00000000 239277 25.12461000 95 confirmations left
18331 2013-06-02 04:22:48 2:08:01 19975253 314 0.00046448 239200 25.06660003 18 confirmations left
On 18339 i have stopped the mining on half time, and my previous shares value is 0 ?!
On 18331 i have mined the whole block, but with only one worker.
Thats fair?
When i join only on 1:00:00 to the block and work until the block is founded, example 2:00:00 then i become better reward as i the whole block worked has? (Sorry for grammar)
TBH, If you consider fair to be paid from every share, maybe PPS or PPLNS would suit your mining preferences better. Slush's pool is all about 24/7 mining. If you come and go randomly, you won't get good results here.
June 03, 2013, 04:20:17 AM
iFA88 , this is because of how the system is set up on this pool: each share gives you a score that slowly falls down if no new shares are submitted. In effect, the shares have a set lifetime; when they "die" so does that little part of the score they brought.
To exemplify, let's forget about the score and only consider the share lifetime.
Let's say a block is found in 10 seconds, and you submit 10 shares, each share 1 second apart:
We're also going to presume each share has a 'lifetime' of 3s. This is how the system works.
So, this means that if you mine for 2 seconds then stop, you would have 3 shares. However, since the block is found at 10s, those 3 shares will look like this:
(share 0s dies at second 4, share 1s dies at second 5, share 3s dies at second 6)
So at the end of the shift, when the block is found, you do not have any relevant shares, although you have submitted 3 shares.
The opposite case is when you start mining towards the end of a shift:
P.S. Any chance we could add an explanation like this to the pool FAQ to avoid having this sort of questions every once in a while?
Great example, thank you!To exemplify, let's forget about the score and only consider the share lifetime.
Let's say a block is found in 10 seconds, and you submit 10 shares, each share 1 second apart:
Code:
Time 0s 1s 2s 3s 4s 5s 6s 7s 8s 9s 10s
Shares 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 Block
Shares 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 Block
We're also going to presume each share has a 'lifetime' of 3s. This is how the system works.
So, this means that if you mine for 2 seconds then stop, you would have 3 shares. However, since the block is found at 10s, those 3 shares will look like this:
Code:
Time 0s 1s 2s 3s 4s 5s 6s 7s 8s 9s 10s
Shares 1 2 3 3 2 1 0 0 0 0 Block
Shares 1 2 3 3 2 1 0 0 0 0 Block
(share 0s dies at second 4, share 1s dies at second 5, share 3s dies at second 6)
So at the end of the shift, when the block is found, you do not have any relevant shares, although you have submitted 3 shares.
The opposite case is when you start mining towards the end of a shift:
Code:
Time 0s 1s 2s 3s 4s 5s 6s 7s 8s 9s 10s
Shares 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 2 3 3 Block
At the end of this shift you would have 2 shares (share 6s would die right as the block was found).Shares 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 2 3 3 Block
P.S. Any chance we could add an explanation like this to the pool FAQ to avoid having this sort of questions every once in a while?
I have one question only, on the 3. example, why die my shares when i work normal?
June 03, 2013, 04:15:35 AM
iFA88 , this is because of how the system is set up on this pool: each share gives you a score that slowly falls down if no new shares are submitted. In effect, the shares have a set lifetime; when they "die" so does that little part of the score they brought.
To exemplify, let's forget about the score and only consider the share lifetime.
Let's say a block is found in 10 seconds, and you submit 10 shares, each share 1 second apart:
We're also going to presume each share has a 'lifetime' of 3s. This is how the system works.
So, this means that if you mine for 2 seconds then stop, you would have 3 shares. However, since the block is found at 10s, those 3 shares will look like this:
(share 0s dies at second 4, share 1s dies at second 5, share 3s dies at second 6)
So at the end of the shift, when the block is found, you do not have any relevant shares, although you have submitted 3 shares.
The opposite case is when you start mining towards the end of a shift:
P.S. Any chance we could add an explanation like this to the pool FAQ to avoid having this sort of questions every once in a while?
To exemplify, let's forget about the score and only consider the share lifetime.
Let's say a block is found in 10 seconds, and you submit 10 shares, each share 1 second apart:
Code:
Time 0s 1s 2s 3s 4s 5s 6s 7s 8s 9s 10s
Shares 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 Block
Shares 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 Block
We're also going to presume each share has a 'lifetime' of 3s. This is how the system works.
So, this means that if you mine for 2 seconds then stop, you would have 3 shares. However, since the block is found at 10s, those 3 shares will look like this:
Code:
Time 0s 1s 2s 3s 4s 5s 6s 7s 8s 9s 10s
Shares 1 2 3 3 2 1 0 0 0 0 Block
Shares 1 2 3 3 2 1 0 0 0 0 Block
(share 0s dies at second 4, share 1s dies at second 5, share 3s dies at second 6)
So at the end of the shift, when the block is found, you do not have any relevant shares, although you have submitted 3 shares.
The opposite case is when you start mining towards the end of a shift:
Code:
Time 0s 1s 2s 3s 4s 5s 6s 7s 8s 9s 10s
Shares 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 2 3 3 Block
At the end of this shift you would have 2 shares (share 6s would die right as the block was found).Shares 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 2 3 3 Block
P.S. Any chance we could add an explanation like this to the pool FAQ to avoid having this sort of questions every once in a while?
June 03, 2013, 04:08:04 AM
my rigs can't connect to api2.bitcoin.cz:8332, anyone else having the same issue?
If you have Stratum compatible software (miner) use: stratum.bitcoin.cz:3333
thanks! that works
Don't mention it.
June 03, 2013, 03:55:27 AM
Compare this block info:
18339 2013-06-02 14:00:37 2:02:30 19604110 328 0.00000000 239277 25.12461000 95 confirmations left
18331 2013-06-02 04:22:48 2:08:01 19975253 314 0.00046448 239200 25.06660003 18 confirmations left
On 18339 i have stopped the mining on half time, and my previous shares value is 0 ?!
On 18331 i have mined the whole block, but with only one worker.
Thats fair?
Yes, its fair. You completly stopped looking for the block solution, youre shares would be worthless anyway if someone else would not have finished the job you left halfway.18339 2013-06-02 14:00:37 2:02:30 19604110 328 0.00000000 239277 25.12461000 95 confirmations left
18331 2013-06-02 04:22:48 2:08:01 19975253 314 0.00046448 239200 25.06660003 18 confirmations left
On 18339 i have stopped the mining on half time, and my previous shares value is 0 ?!
On 18331 i have mined the whole block, but with only one worker.
Thats fair?
When i join only on 1:00:00 to the block and work until the block is founded, example 2:00:00 then i become better reward as i the whole block worked has? (Sorry for grammar)
June 03, 2013, 03:53:50 AM
still no registration for 239281
our block but nothing on stats
http://blockchain.info/block-index/388856
it has seemingly been attached to block 239282 as my reward is exactly double on that block.our block but nothing on stats
http://blockchain.info/block-index/388856
not here, i got a smaller than usual reward and it shows only 25 Btc reward, not double.
June 03, 2013, 03:19:40 AM
my rigs can't connect to api2.bitcoin.cz:8332, anyone else having the same issue?
If you have Stratum compatible software (miner) use: stratum.bitcoin.cz:3333
thanks! that works
June 03, 2013, 03:17:02 AM
my rigs can't connect to api2.bitcoin.cz:8332, anyone else having the same issue?
If you have Stratum compatible software (miner) use: stratum.bitcoin.cz:3333
June 03, 2013, 03:11:29 AM
my rigs can't connect to api2.bitcoin.cz:8332, anyone else having the same issue?
June 02, 2013, 10:42:17 PM
Change the title of the topic to 11.3Th/s
June 02, 2013, 10:30:41 PM
Not me i got screwed lol
June 02, 2013, 07:37:46 PM
still no registration for 239281
our block but nothing on stats
http://blockchain.info/block-index/388856
it has seemingly been attached to block 239282 as my reward is exactly double on that block. our block but nothing on stats
http://blockchain.info/block-index/388856
June 02, 2013, 07:24:43 PM
payout for 18339 is too high for me (~20% too high)
June 02, 2013, 06:36:48 PM
still no registration for 239281
our block but nothing on stats
http://blockchain.info/block-index/388856
our block but nothing on stats
http://blockchain.info/block-index/388856
Slush has been pretty good at refunding these - usually he attaches the value to another block.
June 02, 2013, 06:33:35 PM
still no registration for 239281
our block but nothing on stats
http://blockchain.info/block-index/388856
our block but nothing on stats
http://blockchain.info/block-index/388856
June 02, 2013, 04:38:00 PM
Compare this block info:
18339 2013-06-02 14:00:37 2:02:30 19604110 328 0.00000000 239277 25.12461000 95 confirmations left
18331 2013-06-02 04:22:48 2:08:01 19975253 314 0.00046448 239200 25.06660003 18 confirmations left
On 18339 i have stopped the mining on half time, and my previous shares value is 0 ?!
On 18331 i have mined the whole block, but with only one worker.
Thats fair?
Yes, its fair. You completly stopped looking for the block solution, youre shares would be worthless anyway if someone else would not have finished the job you left halfway.18339 2013-06-02 14:00:37 2:02:30 19604110 328 0.00000000 239277 25.12461000 95 confirmations left
18331 2013-06-02 04:22:48 2:08:01 19975253 314 0.00046448 239200 25.06660003 18 confirmations left
On 18339 i have stopped the mining on half time, and my previous shares value is 0 ?!
On 18331 i have mined the whole block, but with only one worker.
Thats fair?
The purpose, and a feature of this pool to to discourage people from casually coming and going in the middle of a block. If you feel this is unfair, you are in the wrong pool.
June 02, 2013, 04:18:48 PM
Compare this block info:
18339 2013-06-02 14:00:37 2:02:30 19604110 328 0.00000000 239277 25.12461000 95 confirmations left
18331 2013-06-02 04:22:48 2:08:01 19975253 314 0.00046448 239200 25.06660003 18 confirmations left
On 18339 i have stopped the mining on half time, and my previous shares value is 0 ?!
On 18331 i have mined the whole block, but with only one worker.
Thats fair?
Yes, its fair. You completly stopped looking for the block solution, youre shares would be worthless anyway if someone else would not have finished the job you left halfway.18339 2013-06-02 14:00:37 2:02:30 19604110 328 0.00000000 239277 25.12461000 95 confirmations left
18331 2013-06-02 04:22:48 2:08:01 19975253 314 0.00046448 239200 25.06660003 18 confirmations left
On 18339 i have stopped the mining on half time, and my previous shares value is 0 ?!
On 18331 i have mined the whole block, but with only one worker.
Thats fair?
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