Topic: 4 posts deleted - THANKYOU ??? (Read 904 times)

If you want something changed then petition the admins. This can be done both for requesting new mods and rule changes. Just create threads in Meta about each issue and maybe theymos will take note or act on them. Theymos doesn't like to have rules set in stone anyway and hence why they're the "unofficial" ones. With that being said, rules are always open to interpretation by each staff member as well. One mod may see them as unsubstantial and unnecessary whilst another may not be bothered by them and either ignore them or mark them as bad (though the latter probably wouldn't be appropriate unless the rules are changed). I see both arguments as valid though and mprep didn't do anything wrong by the rules, but I do think it's harsh removing them and maybe there are certain rules that should be amended or changed. At the end of the day it's common courtesy to thank someone and not doing so could seem rude or ungrateful. I think people should be allowed to thank people for something without writing an essay also, but I also see how it could be an issue if there's just pages and pages of people just writing 'thanks' etc and we saw this abuse in the alt coin section with aidrops and giveaways etc. Maybe there needs to be more discussion on this topic or a thanks button or something implemented. I think that would be a better solution personally.

The bot does not remove posts, mprep themselves does:

Tbf these posts doesn't sound like they add anything to discussion.

BAN, right away

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I'm not a friend of deleting per bot, it should be decided manually by a moderator but I can understand the mods here, in some way giveaway congratulations could really get the new "Good project, Sir! When exchange Listing? / When Binance? / When Moon?". If someone really wants to congratulate, sending a PM would be ideal. Just imagine if everyone from a 100 spot giveaway would congratulate the winner and thank the OP for starting his giveaway. 
Best solution would be Bounty Managers rejecting such posts and most likely the problem would get better.

Obviously, I don't have any insight if / how bad this problem has become, I'm not a moderator, so I'm trusting the mods here.   

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Most people would just add fluff to reach the number of characters:

"Thank you very much for this giveaway. I'm looking forward to your next great giveaway where I'm hopefully participating again.(+and winning (+this time))" - 107 characters +10 +8
"Congratulations to xy (winner). Even despite the fact that I didn't won this time it was a pleasure to participate in your free giveaway (+of a xy coin)." - 106 characters +9
"Congratulations to xy (winner) for winning the giveaway. And many thanks to OP for starting this giveaway, it was a very valuable price (+users could have won here)." - 114 characters +21
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Bounty Managers should review each post which was made every week and reject those with congratulations + fluff to reach 75 / 100 / 150 characters. But of course, most Bounty managers won't care. 

I don't think so. Most of the campaign managers (at least nowadays) have a minimum post character requirement and stuff like "Thank You", "Thank you for organizing this " doesn't get paid for. So if someone is actually doing it, it means it's either out of their will to genuinely thank someone or they belong to a campaign that is poorly managed. So the problem boils down to not eliminating signatures but eliminating bad managers who run the campaign.

If you want to be polite or express your gratefulness, you're free to, as I've mentioned several times, thank the person via PM or add your "thanks" to a post that has something more substantial than just that. As for different mods, global mods can moderate the entire forum:

so we should be rude? and ungrateful? or just pad our posts with more nonsensical words so it does not get deleted? If the purpose of the thread is to do a raffle or a sale - then posts thanking the OP are befitting that thread. Sometimes instead of just saying "thank you" is a bullshit post, let's delete it - maybe look at why the person is saying thanks. Is it because they just spent 1.2 BTC buying an item - or is it because they said "thanks" because they simply read a post?

To say that both situations are the same and to delete posts as such is not logical. So much trash is allowed on the forums, scammers, ban evaders, bounties and such yet what is deleted? Common courtesy and gratitude.

Yes, we are going to have to disagree.

Is it possible to get new moderators for collectibles? Ones that understand the purpose of the collectibles area?

Seems a bit much

Or, even better,

- ban any member participating in a signature campaign (and delete all his post history)
- ban any member which participated in the past in a signature campaign (and delete all his post history)
- ban any member which ever wrote "thank you" or similar words (and delete all those posts, but to be sure you teach him a good lesson, better delete his entire post history as well)
- enforce other gulag rules each possible time, in order to make sure that nobody ever dares to break the rules.

I guess you haven't seen this yet: https://loyce.club/badposts/spam.html

While I understand your position, I think we're going to have to agree to disagree. I don't think effort of producing the item being thanked for should factor into whether a "thanks" post should be allowed or not.

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Interesting idea. Something for the new forum software perhaps.

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I know I'm being pedantic but the bot doesn't delete anything. All it does is point out posts which I then manually review and (if against the rules) manually act on.

It seems like the actual problem here would be solved, like many of the forums problems, by eliminating signatures.  No signatures, greatly reduced incentive to spam, no need to have bots deleting suspected spam.

yep for me, this is a good idea/concept...
providing an "auto-delete in 24 hours" option on a comment can be made a feature here *in the future, so that misunderstandings like this don't happen again.

Some of my posts have it too, but (like yours) it's part of a bigger post. I post weekly thank you posts in this topic, but it's more than just "thanks" and that thread often gets derailed about time travel and flux capacitors anyway.


My opinion: In general, just saying "thanks" is insubstantial. I've reported posts like that many times, but probably not on the Collectibles board. I usually don't report them either when it's a Newbie posting what looks like a sincere thank you on the Technical boards. I can imagine it seems unfriendly if a Newbie gets his post deleted when he was just happy because he found the solution to his problem.
I've seen forums where it was actually recommended to thank users who solve something for you. It's being polite and (in my opinion) justified in certain cases.

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Just a thought: a count down timer to self-delete a post would be a nice feature. Post "Thank you so much for doing this!", click "auto-delete in 24 hours", and in the corner of the posts a count down appears. For Mods it's obvious it isn't spam and will clean itself, and the user gets to say thanks without sending an unsolicited PM.

I did not call anyone stupid - simply stated that to moderate requires thought and a functioning brain - if you have those, then my statement does not apply to you.

As for your question:

How, from a non-emotional and non-biased perspective, is someone posting a "thanks" for being able to participate in a raffle different from someone posting a "thanks" for an interesting post


Simple - the people that participated often in these raffles have paid to be part of the raffle or are partaking in a raffle where the participants pay nothing and the host is the one incurring the cost of gifting the item - often including free shipping. There is tangible - real world objects at stake with these raffles. Sometimes, the value can be quite high - take for example the last raffle involving the silver Litecoin wallet/block. The crypto value is 12.5 LTC, then add the value of the silver content - this is not a simple post of an "interesting" topic.

People posting "thanks" on an interesting topic, have put nothing into it. They simply read it.

That is why if someone is going to moderate the collectibles area, they need to understand that a blanket policy simply does not work.

I forgot to mention: additionally, if my posts containing gratitude words also received merits, I vouch for having also those merits deleted, as it is obvious that I only spammed the forum with the respective posts. And it would look ridiculous to receive merits for spam, right? This way, true justice would be made, at least in my case: leave me with 15 merits and 20 posts. We all must work together to keep the forum clean!

The attachment of some users to their own posts is quite comical TBH. If you get posts deleted by mods ask yourself:

1) Did you comply with all rules, even the ones that you don't like?
2) Do these posts bring value to the forum?
3) Does deleting these posts harm the forum?

If you can honestly answer "YES" to all questions then perhaps you could re-post - creating threads asking about deleted posts should be the last resort after you've read an re-read the rules and can't possibly imagine why your masterpiece could have been deleted - but 99% of the time you're probably just being dishonest. Considering how much garbage is not being deleted I would say mods are extremely lenient.

I'd advise mods (especially mprep) to delete all my posts containing a "thank you", thus bringing me back to my Member (maximum Full Member) rank where I belong! Considering that I am a polite person, very, very many posts of mine contain these words. As a consequence, deleting them all would ruin my activity points, therefore I'd probably end up being a Member and Full Member again. In case of need, I think LoyceV could give a hand and point out exactly all my posts containing the act of Lèse-majesté forbidden words, thus mods could easily delete them all.

I hope this helps and I also hope that I'll be ranked again where I actually deserve, after deleting all my posts where, among other things, I was polite to someone, thanking him / her for one or other reason.

How, from a non-emotional and non-biased perspective, is someone posting a "thanks" for being able to participate in a raffle different from someone posting a "thanks" for an interesting post, good advice or some other action that the poster feels like it deserves gratitude? Because posts that can be boiled down to "thanks", "wow" and similar short phrases without really losing anything are already being deleted forum-wide.

Also, real classy move calling me stupid just because you disagree with the way I moderate.

special status? no. I just want moderators that are not ignorant. Following cookie cutter ideas/concepts and trying to apply that same concept to everything is just a sign of ignorance. To moderate should require an IQ above that of a corpse.