Topic: 4 posts deleted - THANKYOU ??? - page 2. (Read 822 times)

Let's put that theory to the test: https://loyce.club/archive/details/topic_5286455.html

https://loyce.club/archive/details/topic_5290208.html

If you want the Collectibles board to have a special status, petition the administration for said status. Until such status is granted or at least til the administration instructs me to handle these cases differently, I'll treat it as any other board.

I just found out that only the word "thank you" can be considered a low-value post, regardless of the reason for saying it. But it doesn't seem like a big deal because we can write more words before thanking him. If it's just "thanks" and not have sMerit, just send PM. That's the solution.

true, there should be exceptions in 'which thread and who' the word 'thank you' can be pronounced freely...
A newbie who has just joined is certainly a spammer when he/she says the sentence 'thank you' in any thread. I think things like this should be given more attention because the conclusion I have drawn is that I have to make a long sentence for saying the word 'thank you' only. 

It it you making this comparison, not I. I just stated that a newbie spamming with "great project" is not the same with a polite member of Collectibles board, expressing his gratitude for having the chance to participate inside a raffle.


Well, that says it all, doesn't it?! It is good to know that you are not a fan of politeness. Thank God, many of us are still polite and appreciate politeness and kindness.

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Mbitr's posts, as it already posted them, and mine as well, were not just a "Thanks". They were short expressions, yes, but not a single word.


And if this would be a workaround, this would mean to actually spam somehow, in order to be allowed to say a thank you, which is exactly the opposite of what raffle participants intended. So this solution means the following:
- raffle participants which are polite thank to the raffle owners;
- their posts are deleted for being considered spam / zero value
- as a workaround, the participants would spam with more words for being able to hide a "thank you"

Makes sense? Lol.

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In my case, one of the three deleted posts stated the following:

This is even worse in my opinion and it's what we saw when campaigns started requiring minimum character counts on their posts. Users will just fluff their posts to meet the minimum making their posts even more unsubstantial and spammy when it should be analysed on the content of the post.


I doubt that this is the case. Staff aren't paid on a per deleted post basis and you could probably delete a thousand posts and it wouldn't make a difference to their pay. It's more about how many reports you handle and given that these weren't even reported then it's a moot point. There's more than enough reports to handle and staff really don't need to go looking for extra things to do. I agree that these sorts of thank you posts should probably be left alone though as they're not doing any harm. I don't think just giving them merit is ideal either. Not everyone has that much merit to go around but anyone could build up a lot of merit just by doing giveaways and I'm sure people do that already, but it would become more prevalent if merit became the common way to thank people for a giveaway. Maybe we need some sort of thank you button or something here instead.


A self-moderated thread wouldn't exclude it from being moderated by staff or abiding by the forum rules. Self-modded just means that the thread started can moderate it how they want and to be aware of that, but mods can and will enforce the rules there.

You know what I am getting from this? Instead of being thankful and being concise and to the point - we should make our thank you posts full of bullshit and fluffy spam so that they don't get deleted....

in fact, some of the posts deleted are not even simple "thank you" posts - some are longer but simply start off with "thank you"

Collectibles is a bit different than the rest of the forums when it comes to someone saying thanks - now if it was someone who did not participate in the raffle - maybe that would be terms for deletion. But what was done here was stupidity - I see it simply as a means to ensure some lazy mod gets paid. And by lazy - I do not necessarily mean they do nothing but that that what they are doing is being done lazily - without actually understanding what is being done - simple "hey they said thank you - delete that fucking spam!" - is maybe suitable elsewhere on the forums but it is not that cut/dry here in collectibles.

And if they do not understand that - then they should not be moderating this area of the forums. Let them get paid for deleting spam elsewhere.

As I've mentioned in my previous post, I manually look through all posts the bot finds (twice actually; once in the bot itself and then on Bitcointalk) before I manually delete them (that is if they're actually against the rules).

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The end result is similar - clutter. You're free to express gratitude as part of a larger post or through a PM.

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The bot doesn't remove posts - see details on how it works at the start of this post. As for self-moderation, see my post SFR10 already quoted in this thread (emphasis added by me):


The Wall Observer thread is a partial exception to that rule though (try reporting any post on it to see the details of said exception).

@mprep

Why is this bot being used to remove posts on self moderated threads?  Doesn't self moderated mean self moderated??

Don't compare apples with durian fruit. In the same board, same topic, same reply... almost no difference Although polite and well mannered... not a fan

In this case the PM option can be used if all you wish to do is 'thank' the op. Imo, adding fillers so as just to make the post look less low value is not necessary, especially if all you really want to do is appreciate the OP. Rather than writing 2 words using 50, just private message the user.

I believe@ranochigo meant the user meriting the original post they were appreciating, in place of the reply. And not merits to the seemingly low value (thank you) reply.

While context matters, I believe consistency should also matter in moderation. Such replies are probably deleted cause they require zero effort and can be used to bump a thread by shills and spammers. In this case that's not the intended purpose, but the mods may be trying to remain consistent in their actions, as the replies still require zero effort.

I agree, although some members might not have merits to give.

Just writing "Thanks" or a short phrase to express gratitude is pretty much the same thing as "nice project" or "joined" or any of those types of posts which are banned in the altcoin section.  But I'm not sure a thank you should automatically be deleted or even reported, because it's not quite as spammy as those other phrases I listed above. 

In any case, OP, if you want to thank someone in a post (and I hate to even suggest this), perhaps try padding the post a little bit with more content.  At least then it's not likely to get reported and deleted.  And yes, moderation here is strict as far as low-value posts go.

Actually it does make a difference. And that is, a newbie saying "great project", "thank you for the great project" etc. is part of a group of spammers / shillers which are interested only in bumping an ANN. In Collectibles board, those expressing their gratitude for a free raffle are not shilling anything; are not spamming; are not forcing to bump the respective topic etc. They are simple people, which were part of a raffle and, being polite in their nature, are expressing their gratitude for being offered the chance to win something.

So, yes, there is a difference between your mentioned newbie and another user from Collectibles board, especially inside a raffle topic. And the difference is huge: one wants to spam the forum, while the other is a polite person. This is the difference.

He literally said the script finds possible low value posts and he then manually checks them. FWIW I deleted lots of "thankyou" from newbies and don't see rank or type of signature making any difference.

I don't think a post by saying only ''thank you'' ''Good Luck'' ''So Sad'' etc is looking good to see or has a good value. But if you really need thanks to others I think it's better to write some other things in a constructive way and later at the end of post ''thank you'' should be added. Or if nothing to say more without giving the thanks then simply sent merit it will act as ''thanks'' LOL

instead of using a bot to determine what gets deleted - why not actually look at the posts? the ones being deleted should not have been deleted... after all, you are paid for what you delete, right? should take the time to make sure it is correct and not just some flawed bot logic.

Many thanks @mprep for your response . I can certainly understand why you’ve reached this decision on deleting such posts and I respectfully will not post such comments again. Personally, I don’t agree with it, but again understand the situation.
I’ll lock this topic now to avoid spam
EDIT - unlocked for other members who want to further this discussion.

I was the one who deleted the "thank you" posts. I use a tool that scans new posts for low value content. I manually go through the results periodically and manually delete any posts that violate rule 1 from https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/unofficial-list-of-official-bitcointalkorg-rules-guidelines-faq-703657 or any other rule.

Right on the money.

You are free to thank people in posts that contain other constructive content. If you don't have anything to add, you can also just thank the person via PM.

I try to apply the rules consistently and unless there are exceptional circumstances, I'd rather not give select communities a pass "just because". AFAIK I haven't deleted a single "thank you" post from a raffle winner and have skipped over numerous others since while they were borderline, they did contain something more constructive than "congrats and thank you".

@SFR10 Thankyou

Now I suppose if I’d left at at a simple Thankyou, this post would be deleted  
Reading through that thread section , this does seem to be the case - you NEED to add something extra !
I suppose this is logical , but certainly goes against my personal preference - as I say - manners maketh man.

@Mbitr
I have a feeling your case somehow falls under the same category as crackfoo's case and this was mprep's response to that case:

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But merit should be given to high-quality posts and such posts are the exact opposite.