Topic: 4 Same Topic in Gambling Discussion section (Read 394 times)

I agree with you, he should have reported the duplicate thread before opening this topic because it's prohibited by the rule number 12 unless the case belongs to the due exceptions though. But I don't think it's forbidden to open such a thread in this section in order to talk about this kind of issue. If moderators think it's useless or inappropriate, they will lock or delete the topic IMO.

I agree with this one - yes, report the thread and see what happens. But unfortunately - OP doesn't want to do it because he assumes someone has already reported it. OP isn't bringing any ideas about what he thinks is wrong - but he just wants to let everyone know that there is something he thinks is wrong on that board.

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This.  Moderators exist for a reason and when you have a forum with as many users as bitcointalk you can't make threads for each instance you notice something is wrong.  That isn't sustainable and causes additional headaches as now the moderator not only has to moderate the issue, but has to come in here and see if there's something they didn't see or explain their actions in order to satisfy the OP.  Just report to moderator and move on.  If you notice things aren't being handled the way you think they should, start a topic on the IDEA of what is happening being wrong as that encompasses the entire issue, not just a specific case.

I don't know how you view it and the hell of combo you are talking about. Discussing sports is one thing, hunting spammers is another thing. There's no joy in tagging those helpless and vulnerable accounts for silly reasons. I have seen a user who genuinely finds spammers and neutral tag them, I cannot remember his username but I think some managers do not accept anyone tagged by that user for spamming sake. He does that without creating duplicate threads or tagging people for silly and controversial reasons.

Always report to the moderators, that's how it ought to be.

The "More same topic" as you wrote it might not be necessary truly judging by the existence of the first two you quoted. I see nothing wrong in the first two topics posted to co-exist technically if people can adhere to the core purposes of the threads. The issue is that they are not actually meant for the same purpose but people might mistake that and use it for the same purpose. Although the creator of the second should have thought better on this, it is not necessary to open such as the first has been doing everything for years. I do use the first one for my premiership view, analysis and discussion and skip the other one every time I see it since I believe that it is meant for the general purpose and can harbour all discussions and predictions. However, you could have reported the second one directly but I doubt if moderators will do anything about it since it has lasted close to a year already.

Some of these duplicated topics should not be given extra day on the Forum, if such is seen on the Forum is best to delete it without the owner of that topic knowing about it. Some of these members knows about these same topic being open but they still go ahead just for their personal aim which I'm not talking about because we all know why they do such (that's open similar topics).
In some cases when you ask them to lock the thread, they pretend not to get the warning but let it be, so I'd advise if mods sees duplicated threads or topics it should be deleted without warning because those who open same topics won't say they haven't seen similar topics in the Forum before but they go ahead to do what they have in mind.

You're so correct about this. The fact of the matter is that for sports, I don't think there's any real need for people to have one "unified" thread where they talk only about that particular sport, It's going to clutter the discussion for one, and it's going to become even more confusing to track replies to your comments.

For other topics on the gambling discussion board though, we definitely need to have a talk. The fact is that there's so much clutter topics on the gambling board from people who are either merit farming by posting "reflections" talking about things that are already obvious in the first place, or people who are posting nonsense so they can reach their post quotas on the signature campaign that they signed up with. It gives the gambling discussion board a bad rep, and for the most part it becomes a cesspool of useless posts and information whereas more important topics in the board like specific sports discussions, as well as thought provoking topics are curbed on the wayside cause these people couldn't contribute to anything other than piling shits and trashes.

OP made a good point but made a bad example. I think we all agree on the fact that we want this forum to be as productive and informative as it could possibly be especially for people who are looking for info about crypto and crypto gambling, so perhaps something like this could be done to make every facet of the forum smart and productive as well.

I don't really think this requires to create a topic over here but when found such post its required of you to either report them to the mod, maybe when the mod constantly see the report from people then I don't think they have any other thing to do than to get them deleted.
You know in the gambling sections if you find very well you could still see some post that are the same but carefully reorganized in another phase where you won't know they are same post. I think gambling board has been the most active session of this forum hence should be properly looked into.

Well, if we cannot find the difference, maybe this is the reason we are general users and they are moderators. If a thread has been active for years, I am sure moderators have seen those threads. I remember creating a cricket discussion thread right before the Cricket World Cup or Asia Cup but then it was deleted because there was another thread already. It happened within a few minutes. That means moderators aren't inactive.

Even though I am not a big fan of Football leagues, I have joined two prediction pools (One is sponsored by Sportsbet, and the other one is sponsored by Rollbit). But, I am not active on those discussion threads for obvious reasons. As I said, I am not a big fan of Football. So, If I join the discussion, you cannot expect me to write anything good except spam.

Several members already pointed out that those threads have purposes and they aren't the same type of Topic even though the Genre is the same.

From your last argument or postulate about your above listed threads, I suppose you understand what is the case and difference with them threads, what’s the possible mechanics of its operation but still, you go ahead to suggest it for a duplicate thread and I ask why?

While the first is largely accommodating for just anyone, the second is for a selected few. Users who showed geared interest having gone through the means of participation and acceptance and they discuss points that are pool related, relevant to the pool as well as the pegged league.

You wouldn’t find users coming to a more general thread to discuss points and fantasies. It’s something that is pool based and that very much makes them different topics. Not spammed but, discussions are passionate and competitively crafted not to let loose all your tricks to being just the best before a game week.

It takes one who understands the sport to be able to distinguish between garbage posts and quality posts in these football threads. Like I said in my previous post, many spammers have been caught on JollyGood’s self moderated thread. I don’t know how he combs through all the comments to vet the trash out, all I know is that he’s very interested in football and is also passionate in busting spammers. That’s one hell of a combo.

ain't nobody writes no meaningful stuff in there... If I wanna evaluate based on percentage difference, I'd say - 8% outta 100 are actually provided necessary points, the rest would barely read before typing...

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A typical Gambling poster wouldn't even wanna flaunt the Meta,B&H or Bitcoin discussion like we all do.. as long as the campaign pays for gambling post, they'll keep making 10 out of 10 gambling related post.. I also realized that these degenerates wouldn't write on jollygood's thread - the reasons are so obvious!

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I promote a gambling company, I visit these mega threads and I know the rate of spam happening there. However, there are still good and quality posters there.
I do not have such time to moderate a thread but I also do not think that creating a thread and self moderating it will help curtail spam. It will only make spammers avoid the self moderated thread. The best option remains to report to a moderator.

JollyGood created a self moderated thread because there is a lot of spammers hiding in the gambling boards in order to complete their post quota. The thread has been serving it’s purpose, take a look at JG’s feedback. He’s caught a lot of signature spammers and alt accounts through this one thread. I remember a case of one user predicting the results of a game that was played the previous day. If you can manage the workload of self moderating a thread, you’re free to start one.

This is the first and oldest, running in 5k+ pages. It is monumental and shouldn't be touched.

This was created just for 2023/2024 season. Although Trofo edited the title of the one he created. Which I think shouldn't be. It should just be EPL mega thread.




I don't know why this isn't locked by moderators. So, I can go create my own EPL thread and make it self moderated and it is safe

This is for pool discussion just like EPL fantasy league discussion.

Let me be specific.
First is general for everyone.
Second is only for a specific group. In case you are not aware, this prediction pool discussion thread became a culture on bitcointalk. A handful members like us are regular there. Anyone who are not a member of the group can not join the discussion.

I haven’t seen you post in any of the football threads before, it seems Basketball is your favorite sport. If you are fan of sports betting you would know that this thread is completely different from the others, it’s only for selected users.

This is how I see it. Trofo’s EPL thread is the oldest and most popular. The thread by JG is self moderated and is not as active as Trofo’s EPL thread and many times it’s not bumped to the first page. I just discovered @Blue Snow started his own EPL thread and it’s been very active. It will be difficult for mods to delete or lock a active topic.

These two are quite different. One is a general discussion thread for the premier league while the other is a dedicated predictions thread for participants of the Sportsbet pool.

Anyone can discuss in the first thread, but only those who are part of the pool can discuss in the other.

Yeah, I just checked both and they've been running so long that it's highly unlikely mods are going to nuke one of them if they haven't by now (assuming either one has been brought to their attention).

I've handed out merits for posts in those threads before while doing reviews for members, and from what I can tell there's not much in the way of real discussion happening there, with the exception of some very hardcore fans who know their stuff.  Megathreads like that are just magnets for shitposters who want to write incoherent crap for the gambling-related campaign they're in.  I've got signatures and avatars ignored, but I'd bet nearly every single member who posts in either of those threads is wearing some kind of advertising in their sig space.

Eh, what can you do?  If it's been reported to the mods, you've done your part.

Oh wow. I never thought there would be two more same discussion about the Premier League thread. No, I didn't report it to the moderator because I'm assuming someone already did. I'm adding these two same discussion thread to the OP. Thanks

Maybe they should change the title from "prediction" to "betting" or Betting/Prediction, just like we're doing in NBA threads. Betting and Discussion separate threads.

They are just the same thing. The first that was created was a prediction thread. If you check what is discussed on the prediction thread, it is distinct that the thread is about prediction and discussion about English Premier League. There was no need to created the second thread which is the discussion thread. I remember when I was posting very well on those threads, I only use the prediction thread which was created by Trofo and left all other ones because I do not want to repeat myself.

This is nice, but I think that reporting directly to a moderator in charge of the section would have helped. I have seen countless of these and to be reporting them one by one by creating topics might be cumbersome and lits the forum. Perhaps a dedicated topic should be opened for this purpose so that it can be easily fetched by moderators to delete or otherwise depending on the content therein. This is because it is not all that people call similar topics that have the same content. I have seen many of such too, so we should also be sensitive to that.

Two threads overlap each other but it seems the thread hosted by Trofo is a bigger one, with bigger range of discussions like it describes itself as a thread for discussions on everything in Premier League. I see that the second thread is smaller but posters likely can discuss everything in it too. Even two threads have different descriptions, posters and posts aren't too different.

I recalled there were some complaints about Gambling discussion board and threads in it. Consequently, some forum members decided to host self-moderated threads. My guess is @blue Snow created his thread with this intention, to reduce spam.

They are different in my POV, one is a prediction thread and the other is a discussion thread. But you have a point the same on other comments on the new thread. Yet, i doubt the other one will be trashed/locked, its been there for months already and probably it was reported many times already.

Have you report the thread by yourself? if not then I don't see any reason why you open up this topic.

Why you need to cherry pick those two topics? there are another two topics about Premier League.

1. ⚽ English Premier League Season: 2023/2024
2. Sportsbet.io's English Premier League Football Pool Discussion Thread

Someone could argue that thread is only for a specific group and another one has moderation to reduce spams, that's correct, then why not lock the two topics that posted by @OP?

There are two problems in this case:
1. User, not report the post.
2. Moderator, less moderation.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/premier-league-prediction-thread-20212022-5271157 (Posted 1st)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/premier-league-20232024-discussion-thread-5457586 (Duplicate)

These two threads discuss the same topic. From my understanding if a topic has already been posted the duplicate thread should be deleted, locked, or moved to the Archival section. The duplicate discussion thread currently has 43 pages and has not yet been locked or moved to the archival section. Is there any reason why the duplicate discussion still exists?
The threads is about: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024

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