Topic: 40TH/80TH new Miners??? Swiss Miner (Read 2318 times)

Let's take of the tint most are looking at this guy with. Healthy skepticism is good, but I don't think at this point we should be shitting on this guy any further. I explained a long time ago my reasoning as to why they may just be an unfortunate bystander in this. I for one can understand being defensive if I just bought something then heard it may not be what it seems, frustration and distrust can easily follow. I will also point out that if this had been a quick attempt at a scam they are putting in a lot of effort for a worthless account/reputation (in terms of rank/merit/activity and trust).
We've all made stupid mistakes before and this isn't the last case any of us will hear about someone buying vaporware. Whether it be before they see scam warnings, understand likely scams, or ignore warnings and get burned.

This is all I'll say on the matter here, as this is all off-topic for the board. Here is the topic Mikeywith created when they decided to tag vb2005. I suggest all further discussion around them and their reputation take place there, or in a thread of their creation. - If one is made I will update the link.

And yet you placed an order?!

Could you please explain to me how exactly i was part of the scam?


I placed an order before i found this thread.  When i placed and order there was no info anywhere about this miner or at least google found nothing.


There is nothing suspicious - i never advised anyone to buy the miner - i even wrote this in bold text 2 times.

I was certain of it before I checked his post history, seems like the guy is pretty fast on trusting somebody just because they have a website and a bank account.

He might not be a shill but still, the way he went in and ordered, although everybody here told him otherwise, is at least suspicious. I hope he has learned from it if indeed he wasn't part of it and just got scammed.

Btw, their website site is getting "upgraded" for a few weeks right now.

Or he was part of the scam in the first place.  We will never know.

After all the warnings I am shocked to see anyone actually went ahead with this.

The warnings were clear as day with this one.

People just don't learn in this space.

@Vb2005

Everyone here tried to warn you, yet you went to the extent of defending those scammers when they were called out, i do feel sorry for your loss, the chances of you getting either the miner or your money are slim to nothing, i hope this serves as a lesson to you and everyone else who get to see this thread before losing their hard earned money.

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This is a scam company  that has stolen or is alleged to have stolen from someone.

@vb2005

sorry for the loss

Oh I did not hit a block so no bailout

http://solo.ckpool.org/users/1JdC6Xg3ajT3rge3FgPNSYYFpmf53Vbtje

@vb2005
I don't know if I should feel sorry for you or not,
since few months ago you questioned me, Phil, and others who have said from the very beginning that this is a obvious scam.

But yeah, it sucks.

You obviously had this thing people call 'Fear Of Missing Out', FOMO.

Never buy a miner from some manufacturer who is not proven to be legit.

That sucks. It's an expensive lesson but you should have listened to the warnings and red flags that went up. If you didn't pay with crypto i would start trying to get your money back.

So i placed and order for shitminer M80  at January - when the due date came in Marth - they send an email that there will be delay 30 days in delivery, then again when the due date came they send another email this time for 60 days delay. There is still some hope for June but until now - no miner.
I guess if the miner exists at all they are now mining bitcoin with our money. Also the same amount in money invested in other miners in January is now doubled - so even if i get the miner - this was a big mistake or even some form of scam.

After those asics run out of their use maybe they DO become lingerie making materials.. who knows? lol
On a serious note, someone should dox them and flash it so they don't get to even try and scam anyone else again.

sorry bud,at this point i feel it's only fair that I tag you so newbies won't fall for this, you are apparently shilling these scammers, (intentionally or unintentionally ) while we don't have a solid proof YET , it's safe to assume that someone who is selling something that is too good to be true is most likely a scammer.

i will revise my decision once and IF the opposite is proven.

Yeah no I mean they actually built miners for a while, but the "scammer" tag happened when he decided to take in a lot of business and then disappear without delivering. I know some people who got hosed to the tune of hundreds of miners.

THat was Martin, back in the day when he started, he was no scammer.
Had 8 miners of him in 2014 and 2015, but at the end of 2015 he went down due to his own suc6, he could not handle it anymore. After that ppl just remember him as an scammer. But his miners where really good.
Had 2 times a miner that broke down, he did send me a new one even b4 i did return the broken miners. NP at all.

The cost to produce a miner *is* very low. The bulk of up-front is engineering. Once that's out of the way, the actual per-unit material cost is a fraction of what you're being charged. This is why early batches of miners always cost more, because they've got the engineering and prototyping investment to clear. You don't go straight to bottom-dollar, especially if your product is a couple years ahead of the competition.

That is, if you can prove it exists. If you can prove it exists, the right people will sell their children for it. If you're trying to con dupes you avoid those people and go straight to retail customers you can nickel-and-dime and who are unlikely to take you to court when you fail to deliver.

And how on earth will you sell it for 20 + k when everyone think you are scammer and you are new and unknown?
OK. Lets say you have this miner but the cost to produce it is 1500 usd per miner - how would you produce 200 units of it - you will need
300 000 usd on top of the cost for software development - they claim 70 people worked on the software in Bulgaria?
You also need to ship it from China to Bg - this can be done but if the price goes down a little more and they are broke or  - even Bitmain seems to have financial problems - so what you say can be done but is too risky.


If you could provide a loan to them to produce the miners i guess they will accept your offer
You guys seems to think that the cost to produce a miner is very low.


I think in their video when they say management software they mean firmware.

Same but it's kind of nice that the thread flows so well and had a moment of fun when these guys went emo. Pretty sure this was decided a scam page 1.

yeah sidehack and jstefanop

are all the only two I know.

And if they really had the gear they  would be contacting people like yourself  since if it was real you would certainly want lots of them.

Unfortunately you seem to be one of the only people in this industry I have ever met producing hardware for the individual and not trying to get rich off of them.

I am pretty surprised this thread has gone on this long since my scam sense went off the moment i saw the first video posted.

Something could be said of priorities. Perhaps they'd rather serve individuals or small customers instead of large industrial parties to help re-balance the system back in favor of the people.

Then again, I'm well aware that most other people don't get into the crypto business because they *don't* want to make an overwhelming amount of money, so the likelihood of this is much less than it's a scam.

Yeah  me too.

I vote 'gear is not real'.

think about that oil number

1450/80,000 =  0.018125 a gh or 18.125 watts a gh

so think of a big miner with 10,000's of s9i's  and 2 cent power

say fanatic26_   he has 40 MW  to fill

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.47743340

so 40,000,000/1450 = 27,586 of these

If these people are real
If these people have the gear
They would not be working with us
They would find a guy like fanatic26_

They would cut a deal with him.

If they can do what they claim and they are looking to sell this way on eBay they would be the stupidest business people in the world.
Ask any big player and they would tell you that they get first pick on the gear.
Not us.

Hey I now have a 100kwatt and a 300kwatt solar array setup with buysolar.
gives us about 55kwatts an hour "free" power.
This gear would be heaven sent for me if it was real.
Even if the air cooled was real it would be 35 watts a th
better then the s15 or the m10.
No trump tax if shipped to USA !

Since my power is only 55kwatts free power and around 100kwatts 13 cent power.

if this did 35 watts a kwatt I could go to  55+15 = 70 kwatt  which comes to 2.78 cents a kwatt.
But if it were real and it is not they would have sent me one.  I would have said it is good and loaded up my solar setups.
Did videos and they would have sold and sold and sold.

Since they choose to not do that.
Once again stupid business people or gear is not real.

Either way why bother with them.

Yeah, what makes it even more absurd and scammy are these numbers they show at the website:

Power		Hash rate
1350	W	40 Th/s (normal, ? air cooling)
1450	W	80 Th/s (oil cooling)

Damn there is a big difference between the two cooling methods..  

so spot on it is perfect reason to not buy these.

Let us pretend that this can be built and sold for the price they claim .
They would simply find one or two private farms and deal with them.

There are places with 2 cent power and 3 cent power.
they would cut a deal with this company and we would not get this offer.

I know of big 2 cent farms that were mining with s9's and the 'new' firmware back in february of 2018.
We got the better power use firmware much later say Nov 2018  .  a 9 month gap/edge for that 2 cent power farm .

so they did 80 watts a th while we did 100 watts a th
and they had 2 cent power.

same thing would happen here

the 2 cent guy with 15000 s9i's would lock this gear up  for a year or more.

and this gear would not be offered to us now.

I happen to know the 2 cent is  loading up on m10 gear which is not as good as this.
Which means  this gear does not exist .
if it did the 2 cent guy would ask this to be kept under wraps.
and these sellers would do so since the guy I know could buy 10,000 of these.
to replace his s9i's

Getting the mining power they claim is not a software issue, it's hardware.  Software is open source, anyone can use it and do what they did, mine from one single pool.  It would violate the open source license, since they make money from that pool, sort of like a dev fee, but it can be done easily.
Right now the best miner in the world can do 48J/TH.  They claim 18J/TH !!!
Unless they have some alien tech this is unreal.  
And if I had such a miner I sure wouldn't sell it for a thousand something bucks.  I would sell it for 20 grand and people would buy it like hotcakes.  
Actually no, I wouldn't even sell it. I would mine for another decade or so until the rest of the planet catches up with my tech and then sell it.

So you actually placed an order?

That's just crazy and stupid.

Please explain to me how can i theoretically be affiliated with the swissminer - when i dont advice anyone to buy it? Using your logic i can say that the user opened this thread is affiliated  with swissminer.
When i placed an order there was not limit of 5 miners. Any idea why they wont get your money if you are from USA? - i am very curious.
They also posted a message that they  have  a new miner with 800 TH or something like that.
They are not software engineers from small town - the owners are from small town - the people that created the software are probably from Sofia.

Also Josh Zipkin from the AMT debacle also comes to mind. Had strong ties to said country as well as having a YouTube vid of him and the Forums favorite Hellfire and Brimstone scam hunter Phinaeuse Gage aka Gleb Gamow saying how for the previous month of vitriolic posts he was wrong and that AMT's (single sort-of functioning) miner was real and would soon be shipping.... Believe is from around mid-March 2014...
Gleb of course just went along with it to further let Josh dig himself in deeper. Und boy did he (Josh) ever do that...

edit: HAH! Found it! Vid link added.

ya right.

Oh yeah, Martin something ... good memory !!! 

Hey wasn't Technobit based out of Bulgaria? I wonder if any of those veteran scammers snuck out of the woodwork for this one.

Pretty interesting that you bought a miner as the site says minimum 5 order but at the same time you advise everybody to not buy one. To be honest, I don't believe you're affiliated to this scamminer, and rather than you remember you had another account and decide to use it to troll around a bit.


Especially when Bulgaria has it's currency pegged to the euro for almost a decade if not longer.
So...

It is possible that we have a "company" that is using the name, address and everything else of a legit company without their knowledge? The nameserver stuff might invalidate this but still, is there a possibility? Some rogue employee?
This might be a first...probably!

Any miner that does not give you the option to direct it to any pool of your choice is not a real miner.
If this is real and you actually do get something, it will most likely be cloud mining.
They already said that they have their own mining farm and this thing uses their own "mining pool".
If you do get something open it up and see what asic chips it has.
Most likely though it is a space heater that cloud mines.
You are right, Bulgaria does have some talented programmers but come on, lets get real, a bunch of software engineers like they say from a small town, created something that the armies of asic engineers from Bitmain, Canaan, Innosilicon and the likes couldn't create?  Personally I highly doubt it.
I honestly hope you didn't pay them with BTC. And also bear in mind that the VAT number they supplied is of the lingerie shop and not the so called swiss miner. I didn't find a company registered under the name Swiss Miner in Bulgaria so if you are determined to buy this at least pay the legit lingerie shop via wire transfer only.  Another red flag they sell only in the EU and accept only USD !!! Makes no sense.  The red flags are endless on this one.

Maybe i was planning the swissminer scam 5 years ago and was waiting for the right moment - hahaha.
Or maybe i was looking for info about the new miner and found this thread.
I dont know if my previous reply was deleted by moderators but as i said:
I am not advising anyone to buy this miner!!!!!

at vb2005   why did you open an account 5 years ago and never use it until this thread?

As for for me being an unknown person. I am not unknown to:

bitmain.com
avalon.com
pangolinminer.com
coinbase.com

Plus more then 25 forum members have my address and phone.

I have done business on ebay since 2003

https://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=philipma1957

I  have handled hundreds of escrows.
I have verified  1000's of dollars in gear.
I suggest to all don't buy the gear until someone trusted has one.

If not me HagssFin  is in Finland and can do a fine job he has done so more than once.

Well go ahead and risk your money then.

I just can't why would one risk their money with this kind of shit,
when there are plenty of surely legit options available.

@Steamtyme  - my account here was created in 2014 /https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=228806/  - i have nothing to do with swissminer.tech people. I actually paid for the their shitminer AND for their oil cooler AND VAT on top of this - so in the next 30 days i will know if i lost my money - if not i will post a videos of the Bulgarian shitminers in action


I would say for me chances are 20-30% they are scam and 70-80% maybe they did the impossible and beat the big guys.
Also I am not advising anyone to buy this miner!!!!!
I just can't believe that they will post a video with them if they actually don have the miner.
Regarding their pool - if i invest a lot of money in the firmware i would do the same - obviously they dont have better chips so what they did better must be on the software level.

@vb2005
It seems that you really don't understand the reviews.

It's a small price for them to send one sample unit,
and in return they get transparent, honest publicity for their device. They get the miner cost back in sales.

Are you really taking these scumbag scammer's side in this case?

Yeah I do think this brand new company needs to send gear to one of these very not anonymous people at all. It's a great way to get information about the product out to people (on this forum) that believe it or not spend anywhere from 0-300 000$+ on gear.

Another point is Phil's terms are very transparent and fair to all companies he's worked with. If he likes the gear he pays for it, if not he ships it back. Either way a fair and honest review is given.

Given that your brand new account had an easy time finding this thread for your first posts, maybe you know/represent these miracle workers. Care to shed any real facts to help refute the "scam" tag this currently has.

Guys nobody is so stupid to post a video with him so everybody see them and then take peoples money without  delivering. I think they are real but are complete idiots regarding marketing.
Also i think they are arrogant but i have seen very clever people who are arrogant too but this does not mean they are bad.
And here you people claim you have  found a scam - this is pathetic - they dont hide that they are from Bulgaria and they have lingerie business /which is really operating for 20 years/ and nowhere they claim they are from Switzerland - again stupid marketing from their side.
BTW Bulgarians are very good at maths and informatics - so i will not be surprised if the miner is real. Also they offer miner collocation in Sofia- why would they do this? I doubt they can steal tons of old miners and hide somewhere. Another thing - they seems to ship only in EU - if they were scammers - why would they do this - they would say worldwide shipping so they can take more money they even ask for your VAT number.
One thing is sure if they are scammers they will have to be very good at hiding because their real names are known and you can see their faces on the video.


With all my due respect - do you really think they need a review from some anonymous guy from internet forum to sell their miner if it is real?
I read you comment under their video - if i am in their shoes i will also not send you a miner. You see- they have a real address and they show their faces on video /their English is bad i agree/
on the other side you show them your username from the forum and you want a miner - of course you will not get one.

We'll anyone new is going to be scrutinized and most scams pretty easy to spot. This was blatantly false from the start.

Their scam has so many holes in it they should call it a Swiss Cheese miner...
Considering the last REAL Swiss miner made was from Bitmine.ch in 2014 with their disastrous Coincraft A1 miners, definitely not a good name for them.

Just went to the website... a "Swiss Miner" with a Bulgarian address? Hmmm

Oh, what a surprise


Classic excuse, we are delivering if you order 300+ but we only have one piece hidden in a data center in some tanga.

Yeah it is better to forget this kind of shitty scams and move on..

Hello,
I am from BG.
I spoke with them. Pure scammers!!!

They are from city of Stara Zagora. I wanted to visit their office and see one of the miners working. I was explained, that only a test unit is working, but not in their office, but in some data center. And when i wanted to visit  the data center or to get some demo access to the system, they said it is all restricted and confidential.

Hi, guys I am from Bulgaria , I will call and research these swissminers,if they  are scammers or not, as of now the company is real it appears in brra.bg , old company with activity and all tax papers published on the website of the Bulgarian brra.bg, which does not mean that they can not scam , but at least they post their whereabouts. I Will check and update you asap. But guys ,please advise what I should look for more except that I can meet them and I can ask other miners here if they know them, also what kind of proof should I ask , because if their miner is the same as the Asicminer company how this can be confirmed in practice that it works?

Maybe your next one should be limitlessPentium

But yes you're absolutely right. Just like Asicminer. And they even go as far as saying they pay you every 24 hours or a few days depending on the country you live in !!!
Hahahahaha ... amateur hour at its best !!!

Hi all,

My previous account was "limitless386", but I got a ban... Thanks bitcointalk moderators.....
I will now share some more information about why this is a scam, in the hope that this time I will not be banned....
If you look at the video and the photos, you will notice that there is no pool inserted. This miner only works with a vendor-owned pool. I hope this is enough for you and you can make your own conclusions that it is a scam.

P.S. I'm from Bulgaria and I've already researched these scammers.

lol swiss miner b.s is now showing on youtube ads, was just trying to watch a youtube video and their ad showed up. next level of scam B.S

You are most probably right. I mean anyone with such a miner which outperforms both Inno and Ebit they would be proud to show the chips they used. Other than power consumption and hashing speed, they don't even say how many chips they used, if their chips are 10nm, 7nm ... nothing.
It would have been nice to have such a miner for most of us who have more than 5cents/KWh power cost and I guess that's what they are trying to take advantage of.

I would be surprised if they don't have an actual address and an office, after all, they do produce and sell something, even if it's lingerie and I tend to believe that part of their business is legit.

As for visiting them, it's a waste of time, if at least there were highways in the region I could have asked a guy I know that lives in Varna with who I did exchange some coins while on holiday at the black sea and kept in touch over the years, but I'm not even going to propose him to drive 8-9 hours for ..what? It's most likely that the "office" is going to be closed or somehow just that exact day the model miner is displayed somewhere else

I too am from Bulgaria and can confirm this address is also a complete scam.

Isn't there someone here from Bulgaria that can go pay them a visit?

@ SwissMiner.Tech: All that should need to be said is The Prove You are Real Mantra:

a. Do the Tradeshow route to get (legit) press coverage to show the general public you at least built something. As in pictures of it hooked up and running at the shows. There are several large Crypto-coin/Bitcoin trade shows/conventions held each year all around the world. Attend a few and prove yourselves.

b. Start an official thread here for announcements and LEGIT press coverage links -- NOT links to what are really unverified ads on Pay-for-Placement 'news' sites.

c. Solicit very-well known reputable users here to do a review of it. There are several here with recent reviews of new gear from an unknown company. A good example is Haggsfin's review of the Whatsminer M3.

The usual conditions: Either contact them or if the reviewer contacts them 1st, then either send it to them gratis or an escrowed pay-for before sending. The reviewer then does an unbiased yay/nay/meh review of it with pictures,screenshots, reported hash rates both on the miner GUI and at a pool that allows looking at the worker in action. Power measurements of course required and preferably db level as well. After a week or 2 of testing the reviewer will then either return it (and if escrow was used, the payment is returned) or, if they really like it - pay for the one they were sent.

Until the above happens - you shall forever remain Vaporware and probable scam.
YouTube vids by unknown people and taken at unknown times are mostly useless. Vids by folks here with excellent Trust and high-rank -- far better and trustworthy.

Very simple to do and in all countries I am aware of the cost of a miner maker doing this should be part of their Marketing budget. In other words, the demo machines are a tax write-off.

Lol fuck you SwissMiner guys.

You are being ridicculous.

Yum. What a show we have here.

I don't know the response below was pretty convincing, all caps, buy 200 miners.

I wonder the look on someones face arriving at that airport and not being picked up.  Do I still get my travel refunded?

Or worse yet being picked up, then given the hard sell on anything of value you have or can access.


For this Bizarro world.

Great strategy so far, but I'll keep my account intact, you go make millions off this hardware. Then feel free to come here and rub my nose in it.

Until then I'll go with "put up or shut up" - sick of all these fakebox hardware illusionists coming here and fighting to pass of their scams.

Rather than writing in caps and in broken English you could have simply said you're not planning to offer any demo unit.
But it seems you're in the wrong place anyway, this is a forum, commenting is what we do here, not buying blindly 200 units from somebody that doesn't want to show real proofs of this miner.

come on guys, that is obvious scam

What, it was designed by a committee? If you want to spread things out a lot *maybe* 70 chip and system design engineers but software? WTF?
Just use cgminer which would only require writing a driver to interface the miner coms to it -- a 1-person job. GUI interface - base it on LuCI and OpenWRT and again just 1 or 2 folks needed.

and the plot thickens...

Their website confirms that they are the same company that produces lingerie



Like that wasn't fishy enough, those claims are at least dubious.

Well at this point is either HagssFIN getting a miner or somebody getting scammed.

Yea, pretty much eating popcorn meme material here.

Yeah I can review one if these exist.

It is a big if at the moment.

1. No one has heard of you there are some pretty big names in the miner industry here some pretty close to where you say your based.
2. No reports or even stories about your hardware by anyone in forms of (reviews, setups, ect)
3. You most likely don't have any negative customers because you have NO customers.

HagssFIN is in Finland much closer then me.

If the gear is real they should ship him one not me.

Frankly  I know haters gonna hate hate hate

But  if they want to sell sell sell they should send one to him he will demo it and it will sell sell sell if it is real.

We have zero to prove

myself  tested this and others
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/my-avalon-a921-is-on-the-way-5085231

HagssFIN tested this item and others
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/reviewguide-whatsminer-m10-330-ths-2145w-bitcoin-sha-256-asic-miner-5033998

bittawm   tested this gear and others
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/hashaltcoin-blackminer-f1-bittawm-trust-review-5065403

So if they want to send gear they can reach out  to any of us and do it.

Till then don't buy it.

Send philipma and HagssFIN demos please.

Not a surprise....

When I watched the movie I was sure those two are Slavic both from the way they talk and their names, although my bet was on Russia or Ukraine. Seriously, two guys barely able to speak a foreign language, a box that might be empty and a few numbers on a screen hardly make it a product.

I still wonder what the point of that video was, testing the waters to see why people would avoid them and with that info create a better fake product that might actually sell?

I didn't want to make hopefuls feel to bad for feeling gullible. My wife needs more lingerie though.

'some extent' LOL

It was blatantly obvious before, but if you wanna go sell lingerie for thousands of dollars to miners on your web site - go ahead

Not suspicious, everyone knows about the shared skills between lingerie designers and electrical engineers.
/s

A record resolves to Bulgaria. Using name servers for this domain and hosted on same server:

http://tiaragaliano.com (lingerie site)

Also, I just checked their site and they now have them listed for sale. Contact info is for Tiara Galiano in Bulgaria, so it's a Bulgarian lingerie company selling bitcoin miners claiming to be Swiss.

A bit of difference between asking for demo's and sending funds. Still agree to some extent that there's no reason to contact this "company".

I'm not sure why people jump onto a blatantly obvious scam and start asking for miners.

I guess it means more people will try doing the same type of scam.

40/80TH at 1400 wats is differently most likely fake ,  not even old players in the market are able to make such asic with the available technology, without digging any deeper it's safe to assume they are just another scam.

unless a trusted member who knows how to test if the hashrate is real or just a fake hashing power redirected by the manufacture for x period of time, then i am willing to bet the house that these guys are scam as hell.

Well during bear it's a small community here. This "hardware" had a number of red flags regardless if Norm is/was anything than their presentation here.

I think he may have been changling poster on the YouTube link.

As the post on YouTube was removed.
If he did not remove the changling post on YouTube someone did remove it.

That means changling was looking here and pulled his post.
Or someone here contacted changling and asked him to pull his post.

To go further I do think the YouTube video is a scam.

We have had more then one proxy miner scam and I think this may be another one.

too bad Norm was auto-banned probably for plagiarism, the members on the mining board are very a few and you notice a missing person quite fast unlike other boards where there are thousands of shitpostsers, I hope that @frodocooper will add a rule on the pinned topic to notify members that copy-paste without quotation = permaban from the forum, i doubt that members bother reading the forum rules anyway, but it will at least save some good souls.

let me check


I cut and paste from the link and both of my comments show.

used safari with a mac mini

Did they delete this comment in the video comments section? I can't see it.

If real will probably go the route of GMO.

yeah  would be nice if it was real.

To those that  do not understand the asicminer scam.

The miner must mine to a server website and it proxies you to the pool you pick.

So you are pointing to a site like nicehash  which can add on lots of hash so that your miner shows 40th  your power meter shows 1400 watts and you are like damn  this is great.

After scammer sells a few hundred  units.  He shuts down the server and you have a brick.

here is my invitation to them

https://i.imgur.com/SRFC90I.png

Indeed this is too good to be true.

I say it is fake, until proven otherwise.

I'm tired of these.

But I hope you get a demo Phil, then those guys would prove me wrong.

He took it apart and ultimately proved it was a fake.

And he mentioned it went to a server website and was not sure if that was good.

I saw his thread and his videos on that gear. He was not terrible as you write.  But and this is a big but he should have been harder on them for the sake of people that don’t fully understand mining.
  So I understand your concern.
My concern is this not good gear and that 1400 watts for 40th  is too good to be true.
The video on YouTube is not good enough to convince me it is not a variation of the asicminer scam.

@ norm I know you may not like the rules on cut and paste. I can see that you had the link on YouTube
And the info came from the link. I mention it because cut and paste police could try to have you banned for that. I can clearly see you were not trying to fool anyone since the link and the info are obvious enough for me.

Let’s not forget how Vosk got review units from AsicMiner (clear scam) and didn’t advise anyone to steer clear. I wouldn’t count him among those you would trust for miner reviews, more like someone who would make a video proving something ‘exists’

They chose him for a reason.

already has...these clowns did exactly that.

https://www.asicminervalue.com/miners/asicminer/zeon-180k

It's the demo's I am becoming worried about if they know they can send say 5 units out to x5 big names in the youtube or mining game and get a good review then scam the others coming to buy the machine it seems to be the "latest" tactic I know a couple of youtube channels that were sent wallets to test out they sucked and were built of some sketchy version of android!  

I fear we will see this move into the hardware space soon.

yes note the youtube video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2ShiLjvP4M

I have asked them to post here and contact about a demo video

note    http://swissminer.tech/   this is under construction link

As always I tell everyone wait until a trusted guy gets one and tests it.

If not me  then

bittawm

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/bittawm-144811
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/hashaltcoin-blackminer-f1-bittawm-trust-review-5065403

Is good

or vosk

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/voskcoin-987465
https://www.youtube.com/VoskCoin

or ognasty

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/ognasty-18321
https://nastyfans.org

or HagssFIN

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/hagssfin-348185

but at the moment you can not order website is down
and do not order until  someone trusted has shown a demo is real

Stay clear until someone has a unit from them to test.

Though I think by now the scammers know the best way to hook people is to make a few devices send for review then wait for the flood gates to open.

I asked them to contact me. I would help them if it is real and they send me a demo.

I usually say I am well established respected miner.

Send me the demo machine upfront I will test it run a you tube video showing works.

I will then buy the gear if I like or I will ship it back to them or ship it where ever they want it shipped.

lets see if they post here.

Phil will you be testing it?

I went to youtube and ask about getting one.

and unless you are changling of youtube you did wrong and could be banned

As you cut and pasted this comment without quotes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2ShiLjvP4M

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What say you???