Topic: 480 / 1070 (Read 2771 times)

They do not have watttool.

What do they have?

MSI afterburner?

You can't undervolt?

How much is power? Do people run it on stock?

The voltage is locked but you can change the TDP, memory clock, core clock, and of course adjust the fans speed.

NVIDIA? You can set power limit. I don't know if you can set voltages also... You could do that back then with nvidia inspector.
OC the memory for best results.

Okay so no need for bios mod. What about voltage mod? Any news?

It seems that there is no bios mod no undervolt no overclock. We just plug and play and mine. That's it?

Here is a benchmark from someone with 11 1080 Ti's using the latest EWBF miner:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.19526208

731 - 762 H/s using 275W each. The 750 H/s at 250W that I used is a good representation of what someone with a $700 1080 Ti can expect on Equihash. I never said Zec was the most profitable coin for Nvidia. The other poster said ZEN, another Equihash coin was the most profitable coin for Nvidia. What I showed was "Dollar for dollars the 1080 TI is actually equal or better than RX 4xx/5xx cards": is nonsense. The RX 470 does ~40% better in hash per cost. Even at 0.25 / kW the return on a $200 RX 470 4 GB is 18 days LESS than a $700 1080 Ti on Equihash.

http://whattomine.com/coins/185-zen-equihash?utf8=%E2%9C%93&hr=750&p=250&fee=0.0&cost=.25&hcost=700&commit=Calculate

http://whattomine.com/coins/185-zen-equihash?utf8=%E2%9C%93&hr=300.0&p=150.0&fee=0.0&cost=0.25&hcost=200&commit=Calculate

I'm also waiting on you to name an algorithm so I can show you the RX 570 4GB is a much better card for mining than a $700 1080 Ti for just about any coin. The fact that I can walk in to any Best Buy and buy as many 1080 Ti's as I want, while finding a RX 570 without getting gouged is like hen's teeth should make that fact obvious enough.

 I'm not going by "what I read on the internet" for pricing. I'm going by pricing QUOTED on cards that are "in stock" by major sellers like Newegg, Frys, Tiger Direct, Amazon - WHEN you can find any available at all.

 Yes, if you can find RX 470/480/570/580 cards at close to MSRP they'll hit ROI quick - but I think you underestimate Nvidia as well on ROI, do NOT assume "ETH" or even "ZEC" as the most profitable Nvidia options.

 Tradeoff on your 570s is the power useage - for someone with high power costs, the DOUBLE or more power used will eat a chunk of the extra gross income - and if you factor on a SYSTEM level, you're going to need 4 times as many systems which makes the cost comparison quite a bit closer (the 570s will still win on a $/sol basis but by quite a bit LESS than 2:1, while the power comparison gets worse).

 If you run the skein or groetsl coins, for most of the last month profitability has been 30-50% higher than ZEC has been for higher-end NVidia cards - and all of a sudden they're pulling in VERY close to the same gross income as your 4 x 570s are.

 Nicehash uses Claymore for ZEC, EBWF is faster than Claymore on recent versions - I grant it's not by a ton, but it does seem to be a 5-10% difference on the GTX 1070 and 1080 cards I've done my testing on at the same settings.

 I'm not going to go into *what* I'm running my NVidia farm on - but I will state that I made a LOT more on what I'm doing than I would have by running the farm on ZEC - ballpark estimate 50-70% range.
 However, that's in a situation that has a VERY small "total network hashrate" that HAS gone up noticeably over the last 2 months, so I'm not sure if the profitability will remain elevated over all other options for another month.
 I'll just say that the folks justifiably bragging about their skein-based coin profits last month didn't do quite as well as I did - even though they DID do quite a bit better than ZEC would have done them.

If you say so but I do see a massive number of them being sold and bought on ebay in the 300-500 dollar range which is completely cost prohibitive. Ya you can get the 1080 TI to run at 730 h/s at 170W which is pretty damn good I think. Hey all I know is that I have 3 20 amp circuits available to me at home and with the 1080 TI rigs I can profit far more per year than with RX 4xx/5xx rigs because of density. It really isn't even that close... 38k for AMD rigs to 91k for Nvidia. This is of course until I move into a warehouse and the power limitation is largely removed. I will then up to 15-20 rigs depending on how the landscape has changed in regards to profitability, new components, and other things.

The profit calculation takes into account the power used by the card, 125W for a 470 and 250W for a 1080 Ti. 750 H/s is actually better than the 710 H/s BBT got on a 1080 Ti on ZEC using the Nicehash miner and the card was using 250W.

https://youtu.be/9W3W1YAavSE?t=1402

Don't believe everything you read on the internet. The RX 580 and 570's have been available in limited quantites, they do sell out quick though. BBT has built several rigs for his livestream with the cards he's bought and I have four Powercolor Red Dragon RX 570 4GB's that I bought for $190 each being delivered tomorrow. Those four cards that I bought for a total of $760 will do 1200 H/s on Zcash, using ~500W, no comparison to a 1080 Ti that costs roughly the same for 60% of the hash of the 470's. Name a coin and algorithm and I bet the results will be similar.

what card do you suggest to buy?

Where? i am looking for 570 to buy and the lower price that i found is 500$

 Might have been true a month ago, but try finding ANY RX 470/480/570/580 for less than $500 or so TODAY.

 If you can find them at all.

 Per all the reports I've seen, the odds are looking good that the current "shortage" and resulting gouge pricing may last MONTHS on AMD RX 570/580 cards (and the 470/480 is out of production of course).

 To be fair though, $200 a month ago was kinda HIGH for a 300 sol/s RX 470 4GB - I paid more like $350 for my PAIR a few months back, though they were on sale at the time.

 750 sol/s seems low for a 1080 ti from the figures I've seen reported, unless you're running it at VERY high efficiency settings - at which point it's probably using 50-70% of the watts/sol of that RX 470.


 Can't just compare $/sol, watts/sol adds up over time too, especially if you run a rig more than a few months and DOUBLE especially if you don't have SUPER CHEAP POWER cost.

To be fair I get my 1080 Ti's for 699.99 instead of 750. This makes it a lot closer but I'm not sure if many people are getting any of the 4xx/5xx cards for as cheap as 200 these days. I know that it is temporary until the next batch comes out but still. I wasn't really comparing card to card but rather system to system which shouldn't yield very different results but I looked back at the price of my AMD rigs and they actually were 2300 rather than 2500.  That makes the ROI on the AMD system 62.7 days and the ROI on the Nvidia rigs are 74.73 days but even that is very close. For me the Nvidia is still the way to go if you have the money to shell out for them. They are still far more flexible in what you can mine, hassle free, and have better resale value in the future. You have to think... How great are AMD cards if ETH and ETC really do go POS or some POSW variety?   

Except that it's not. The time to recover the cost of the card on the same Equihash coin is 61 days for a $750 1080 Ti that produces 750 H/s vs 41 days for a $200 RX 470 4 GB card that produces 300 H/s on Equihash.

http://whattomine.com/coins/185-zen-equihash?utf8=%E2%9C%93&hr=300&p=250.0&fee=1.0&cost=0.11&hcost=200&commit=Calculate

http://whattomine.com/coins/185-zen-equihash?utf8=%E2%9C%93&hr=300&p=150&fee=1.0&cost=0.11&hcost=200.0&commit=Calculate

Dual mining ETH with the RX 470 4 GB, the break even cost on the card is about 32 days or roughly half of the time for a 1080 Ti.

http://whattomine.com/merged_coins/1-eth-dcr?utf8=%E2%9C%93&hr_eth=28.0&fee_eth=2.0&hr_dcr=650.0&fee_dcr=2.0&p=150&cost=0.11&commit=Calculate

Actually the $200 GTX 3GB 1060 is a better comparison to the RX 470 4 GB. It can produce ~23 H/s on ETH and ~265 H/s on Equihash. The botom line is the 1080 Ti is a super expensive card for the performance it has and if you are looking to maximize your investment, there are better options.

Dude... Dollar for dollars the 1080 TI is actually equal or better than RX 4xx/5xx cards and the above estimates prove it. A 5400 Nvidia rig pays itself back in just over 2 months in 67 days. Is that really so much inferior to AMD? I used my current AMD rig for comparison and they literally have the same components with the exception to the GPU and the PSU so I think it is a fair comparison. I was simply picking the best coin for Nvidia cards and the best coin for AMD cards at this moment. Right now that is ZEN for Nvidia and ETH+SIA/DCR for AMD. Yes if you don't have the money to spend on a 5400 dollar rig then you can build an AMD rig but if you do have the money then it is far far better to go Nvidia.

LOL. Except you forgot to mention how much does a six card 1080 Ti rig cost you? ZEN is an Equihash coin the same as ZEC The RX 470 outperforms the 1080 Ti in cost per hash on Equihash as I showed and just about everything else. Given the same availability, the RX 470 4 GB will make you more money for the same amount invested by far. Stated another way, you can put together a 470 4 GB rig that will equal the performance of a 1080 Ti rig on any coin at a much lower cost. The issue is the availability of the AMD cards.

1. This will be my new 6x 1080 TI rig next month and the best currently to mine is ZEN. http://whattomine.com/coins/185-zen-equihash?utf8=%E2%9C%93&hr=4280&p=1175.0&fee=1.0&cost=0.11&hcost=5400.0&commit=Calculate
2. This is my current system that has 6x RX 470's mining ETH+DCR. My rig cost is 2500 with a rack mountable case for this. This now makes the ROI 68 days as of this instant but of course this is always moving. http://whattomine.com/merged_coins/1-eth-dcr?utf8=%E2%9C%93&hr_eth=160&fee_eth=2.0&hr_dcr=4500&fee_dcr=2&p=962&cost=0.11&commit=Calculate
3. It is pretty clear that these two are very much so comparable.

For the cost of a single 1080 Ti you can put together a 4 card RX 570 4GB rig with a cost of less than $200 per card that will give you 112 MH/s on ETH and 2600 MH/s dual mining DCR for 600W at the wall. At current pricing and difficulty, that would net you $720 in profit from ETH and another $90 in DCR a month for a single four card rig.

https://www.coinwarz.com/calculators/ethereum-mining-calculator/?h=112&p=600&pc=0.10&pf=3.00&d=726058150422215&r=5.00000000&er=0.13960000&btcer=2827.90000000&hc=0.00

https://whattomine.com/coins/152-dcr-blake-14r?utf8=%E2%9C%93&hr=2600.0&p=&fee=3.0&cost=0.1&hcost=0.0&commit=Calculate

On ZEC that same 4 card rig would give you 1200 H/s vs 750 H/s for a 1080 Ti. What are you mining with a single 1080 Ti that comes even close to that?. Most people that put together 1 or 2 rigs don't care about density, they care about what makes them the most money for their investment and the answer to that is AMD is clearly superior to Nvidia.

Can you dual-mine ETH with Sia/LBRY etc just as well with nVidia cards? I'm considering getting a batch of 1070's or 1080's (or a mix thereof) as I have some hardware lined up. What hashrates are you getting on a 1070/1080 when dual-mining with LBRY for example?

Really? Because the ROI on a Nvidia rig built with 6 1080 TI's is about 66.43 days as of this very instant and an AMD rig built with RX 580's would ROI in 66.14 days. These are almost identical and to be fair I chose the current most profitable coin(s) for each rig. I mean as far as resale value I think, over the course of time, that 1080 TI's will easily be far more sought after than any 4xx/5xx card. That means when it is upgrade time you can still sell to all those gamers without any issues at all. Nvidia is also better in density and you can get the hashrate to about 730 h/s on equihash even at 170W with the TI's. I mean I think that is pretty damn hard to beat at the moment. As I have stated, there are a vast number of algorithms that Nvidia is better at than AMD. I don't really buy into the POS talk with ETH and ETC but I think at some point they will probably go to POSW. Where does that leave AMD? That means the only 3 EThash coins that are left are UBIQ, EXP, and MUSIC. That is of course coupled with dual mining with SIA or DCR. That doesn't leave many options in comparison under such a scenario.

Stil waiting for a answer haha

Thanks for your info guys, one thing i want to buy a 1070, what is the best one right now.
For overclocking and stability. also its hot here in the summer what you recommend me to do watercooling?
or is it way to expensive, also i found a motherboard i want to buy 8 GPU's so i need m2 risers and a motherboard that supports it.

Think this one will do fine Asus PRIME Z270-P
also i need Power do i need a 750 x 2 or just one 1200 watt power supply.

EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 FTW GAMING 8GB - 500 euro
MSI GeForce GTX 1070 GAMING Z 8G - 516 euro
MSI GeForce GTX 1070 GAMING X 8G - 448 euro
Gainward GeForce GTX 1070 Phoenix 8GB - 443 euro
EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 SC GAMING ACX 3.0 - 464 euro