Topic: 480 / 1070 - page 2. (Read 2771 times)

You are right 570 are out of stock till December  .
My budget is 1100€ for graphics cards. Do I buy 2x1070 or 3x1060?
What are hashing speed for both cards ?

The 570 is not in stock anymore, if you can find one, then its the obvious choice.

I want to build my own rig for ETH and i have dillema about graphics cards, which one to buy and use.
I would like to hear your opinion about this cards:

1. EVGA 08G-P4-5173-KR GTX 1070 SC Black Edition ACX 3.0, price 495,70€

2. EVGA GTX 1060 SSC GAMING 6GB GDDR5, ACX 3.0 & LED (06G-P4-6267-KR), price 343€

3. SAPPHIRE RX 570 NITRO+ OC 8GB PCIe, price 300€

You can also sugguest any other card. What's important data on graphics card for ETH ?
Is there any graphics card calculator for ETH mining ?

You pretty much got no choice right now but to buy the overpriced Nvidia.

By the time AMD gpus are back in stock will be when nobody will be buying them anymore because the profits will be low.

If you don't want to spend the money, buy some second hand 7970/280x and mine ZEC at 300 H/s.

AMD is a value proposition when compared with Nvidia. While the Nvidia GTX 10 series does better in achieving a bigger hashrate per card in certain algorithms, the bang-for-buck or hash per cost factor is almost exclusivly in favor AMD. The bottom line for mining is you can put together an AMD rig for the same amount invested that will outperform any Nvidia GTX rig for the same amount invested across the board. While Nvidia holds an edge in hash/watt, given the insane Crypto pricing across the board currently, that is not as much a factor for most people paying 0.20 cents per kW or less. Which is also probably why you are seeing Nvidia cards  more readily available, while AMD RX 470/570 and 480/580 cards are much harder to find currently, especially in any quantity. I would also argue that the AMD resale value is comparable to Nvidia in terms of percentage of the original cost recovered.

AMD are actually a near tossup (at the pre-shortage card pricing) on Equihash for hash/$ and very close on hash/watt.

Nvidia cards don't have the OPTION of bios changes to optimise them - that's actually a MINUS vs AMD.

I'm not sure where you are getting this? Nvidia is better at Skein, LBC, Equihash, Lyra2rev2, LBC, and Neoscrypt. Literally the only thing people are doing with AMD is either solo-mining some Ethash coin like ETH, ETC, UBIQ,etc. The only other option, which is the better one, is to dual mine with ETH+Sia or ETH+DCR. (or something similar) Really AMD is the limited one here and I think you are like 3 months behind in thinking. Also if you are thinking about resale value then of course 1070's , 1080's, and 1080 TI's are so much better that its not even worth comparing. Nvidia cards are also easier to work with and don't require BIOS changes. Nvidia cards are also far more available and it will be a little bit before the next AMD batch comes out for sale. Really the only two things AMD has going for it are that they are cheaper, at least when the cards are available, and they have a slightly faster ROI. Even though Nvidia cards ROI slightly slower a rig with 1070's can ROI in 60 days and a 1080 TI rig can ROI in about 75 days. To me it is worth the extra expense and the slightly longer ROI to get all the benefits that now come with Nvidia rigs. I was planning on building another rig with 1070's but now that I have done a bit more research I will build a 6x 1080 TI's rig and at today's prices and difficulties that can bring in about 95 dollars a day per rig. The AMD rigs with 570's are half the price but are bringing in about 44 dollars a day. You do the math but to me this seems like a no brainer at this point. Just to be fair I have AMD rigs and Nvidia now but at least for the forseeable future I will only build with 1080 TI's.

you have got your information wrong, with amd you can mine any coin, not so much with NVidia as there is ONLY a small handful of profitable coins along with optimized miners for said coins, the rest AMD still dominates. sure you can mine just about any coin with an NVidia but it doesn't mean its going to be efficient since miner code for a lot of coins when it comes to NVidia are not optimized much or at all, with the exception of a handful of coins like zcash. take ETH for instance you can mine it with NVidia but doesn't make it good, as matter of fact most of the time you get much worse of hashrate with NVidia on eth than say an rx 480, if what you were saying had been true there would be WAY more people mining with NVidia than amd which is not the case

Thanks for your info guys, one thing i want to buy a 1070, what is the best one right now.
For overclocking and stability. also its hot here in the summer what you recommend me to do watercooling?
or is it way to expensive, also i found a motherboard i want to buy 8 GPU's so i need m2 risers and a motherboard that supports it.

Think this one will do fine Asus PRIME Z270-P
also i need Power do i need a 750 x 2 or just one 1200 watt power supply.

EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 FTW GAMING 8GB - 500 euro
MSI GeForce GTX 1070 GAMING Z 8G - 516 euro
MSI GeForce GTX 1070 GAMING X 8G - 448 euro
Gainward GeForce GTX 1070 Phoenix 8GB - 443 euro
EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 SC GAMING ACX 3.0 - 464 euro

Well not really half or anything... Depending on running sales I have seen 1070's as cheap as 349.99 in just the past couple of weeks. (not the mini's too) It doesn't really matter because I would never even bother mining ETH with an Nvidia card anyways. I also think that for resale value the 1070, 1080, and 1080 TI are by far superior to the 4xx/5xx GPU's. Nvidia can also mine many different algorithms profitably and they are less of a hassle to deal with as you don't change the bios and there are overall less driver issues. That is just my opinion but I started out mining AMD but have recently transitioned to Nvidia. 

Why would I? Last week I've bought RX 480 MSI Gaming for 228 bucks, that's half price of 1070...

Even if Ethereum disappeared overnight there are several alternative options based on the same algo or derivatives of it. I would buy either AMD or NVIDIA based on price and availability ... right now AMD is mostly unavailable and if available very pricey.... so there's only one option until more AMD stock hits the shelves again (might not be for a month or three, at least not in decent quantities).

Keep dreamin....

Will be in few weeks.

I doubt there are heaps of 480/580 for sale for about 200 bucks / euros.

Yeah, but for the price of 1070 you can have 2x 580, that's more than 60MH/s, with Samsung memory and knowledge it could be 66MH/s.

Yeah I meant mainly Monero :3

Any 1070 achieve 30 to 32 MH/S Ether just by OCing under windows so What to mine is not accurate.

Could you name some of those algorithms and coins? When you compare the algos in whattomine front page, an RX480 beats a GTX 1070 only in monero.

http://i.imgur.com/WeXpUhe.png

Pain? I call it fun
That's what makes AMD for lot altcoins the best. 25% more hasrates with same or lower power usage :3

Sure. But that's in the past before nVidia Pascal came to the market a year ago. nVidia Pascal architecture is way more energy efficient than Polaris when the GPU core is heavily utilized. If there's a good CUDA optimized miner for a certain algo, a GTX 1070 murders a Polaris with hashrate and efficiency. And of course it should since it's a more advanced and more expensive card.

BTW, mining with Polaris cards is an absolute pain in the ass with the need for bios mods to get a decent hashrate, many different memory brands which need different individual bios tweaks, the need for hdmi dummy plugs or monitors connected to the cards, tweaking with wattool, etc.