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Topic: 490,000 Avalon chips already ordered - 150T/hash spike coming in August - page 2. (Read 6159 times)

sr. member
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Having previously worked in electronics manufacturing I think that saying a spike is coming in August is premature to say the least.  The chips might ship later in the year than expected and once they do ship they can't go into play for at least another month and that's if a custom board can be fabricated in that amount of time.  This doesn't include development time or testing for those boards, though samples may be sent out in advance.  Once the chips have arrived they have to be machine placed on the boards and then they're either packaged for sale or relocated to a permanent facility with appropriate power and cooling.

All of this is neglecting the fact that the chips won't ship all at once or to the same person.  It might take another year for all the chips to get powered up if they're being sold retail.  The ASIC push will eventually cool down.

This makes sense but it seems you're only taking into account Avalon chips. There's still Avalon batch 2, 3, BFL, and there's asicminer yet to come. So there most definitely will be a spike around the month of August.
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Having previously worked in electronics manufacturing I think that saying a spike is coming in August is premature to say the least.  The chips might ship later in the year than expected and once they do ship they can't go into play for at least another month and that's if a custom board can be fabricated in that amount of time.  This doesn't include development time or testing for those boards, though samples may be sent out in advance.  Once the chips have arrived they have to be machine placed on the boards and then they're either packaged for sale or relocated to a permanent facility with appropriate power and cooling.

All of this is neglecting the fact that the chips won't ship all at once or to the same person.  It might take another year for all the chips to get powered up if some are being sold retail.  The ASIC push will eventually cool down.
hero member
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Nope, this is a different thread, being that it is in a different sub-category.

People are confused by the title.  Maybe call this one:
What happens now that 1/2 million Avalon chips are shipping?
sr. member
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Good!  FINALLY a speculation thread about this...

MY PREDICTION:

Chips are produced but SHIP 2 MONTHS LATE...  So OCTOBER maybe?    Wink

If Avalon is reading this:

Please consider your previous customers, Batch #2 guys are still waiting!
newbie
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I think people saying we are approaching a difficulty of 1 billion in the near future are a bit lost.

Since BFL is just a figment of everyone's imagination for now until they actually ship mass products, let's focus on Avalon these Avalon chips at the moment.

So let's look at some theoretical numbers for a moment...

For a difficulty of 1 billion that would mean the network hashrate would be at 7,158.39 TH/s.  That is confirmed, as it's a simple mathematical calculation.

Now if you assume that the network hashrate and difficulty would get even close to that, that means EVERYONE is mining with ASIC as anything else wouldn't make any sense.  Let's assume all these chips come from Avalon since they're the only ones that are ACTUALLY shipping and seem legit.

We know that these Avalon chips produce 282MH/s each. 

You would need in excess of 25 Million Avalon chips to create that kind of hashrate.  Although this is theoretically possible, I don't think it's plausible. 

Anyone else want to weigh in on this?
hero member
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What is the impact of this onslaught of chips?  We know the difficulty is rising, up to a billion.  Is there any device out that that actually pays for itself now?  As best I can tell any ASIC solution fails to generate any profit, right?  How can anyone make money mining now?  Even if BTC hits $1000 per coin I have a hard time understanding why anyone would mine any coin.




Hey all you board designers who are thinking about building with these chips come talk to me:  https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/wtb-want-to-buy-2-custom-pcb-designs-187408
newbie
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Might sound crazy... maybe BFL is ordering a bunch of Avalon chips.  Roll Eyes

this is the Mining Speculation section after all... 
legendary
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its self moderated, so the OP is deleting peoples posts?

Nope, this is a different thread, being that it is in a different sub-category.
newbie
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I'm no expert.  But I highly doubt that everyone that's ordering these chips will already have a production line with PCB in place.  This is also assuming that their hardware will be able to push the full 282Mh/s for each chip.  I agree that there will be a HUGE spike, but I think everyone is assuming everything will go right.

From my experience, things that can go wrong, will go wrong.
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its self moderated, so the OP is deleting peoples posts?
hero member
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what the hell?

this thread had 4 pages?!
legendary
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Check it out:

https://blockchain.info/address/1FGAftzSTztFSB8LMwsrdCKTyqGY6zr3sU

China-based Forum Discussion:

http://bbs.btcman.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=2207

Difficulty will be increasing like you don't know.  Hope you understand how this mining will play out.  


Thoughts?
-Dalkore
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