Topic: 500 BTC BOUNTY FOR OPENSOURCE BITSTREAM THAT IS FASTER THAN TML *STILL OPEN* - page 3. (Read 8607 times)

cool!

FWIW, someone else is considering writing an equivalent bitstream from scratch if that bounty is open to others

yes my post last night, I was obviously pouting that I did not get my own way ...

and I apologize to any ego's that were bruised during this experiment!


it just sucks not to get your own way after you kiss someone's ass so thoroughly.

oh well....


like I said - I tried.

Take a wild guess.

Cablepair
Eldentyrell

I like how you used pseudonymous, but its not like everyone knows who Mr. C and Mr. E are.

I have not done any business with either cablepair nor eldentyrell, thus the following represents an outside, hopefully somewhat objective, point of view:

Mr. C manufactures and sells hardware without making sure that adequate software is available.

Mr. E creates very fast software for a large number of, but not necessarily all, platforms. Mr. C's hardware platform happens to be one of the few unsupported ones.

Mr. C makes Mr. E an offer to extend his platform support to Mr. C's platform, but Mr. E declines the offer.

Mr. C is now pissed off.

My recommendations:
1. Mr. C, suck it up and grow a pair.
2. Mr. C and Mr. E, please realize that FPGA miners will be made obsolete by ASIC miners in a matter of weeks, thus both of your efforts, while admirable, will soon be but a footnote in the history of Bitcoin mining.

And you have succeded!  I answered all of your emails promptly, including at least eight from TheSeven full of technical questions.  Seriously, is this a complaint?



What exactly does this mean?  You made me an offer and I declined it… please don't be offended by that.  But your latest posting is full of vague stuff like this.  Could you be more specific?  What are you unhappy about aside from the fact that I declined your offer?  If that's all it is, just say so...

Can't say that I didnt try.

I have a great deal of respect for you for what you have created here, but please dont pretend like you dont know who I am and who my team is we have tried countless times to initiate contact through email (which you say you prefer) as well as your own forum thread and on IRC - and I have tried numeours times to set up some way to work together with you. listen I don't want to offend you, but the truth is I am 100% sure you will never make 400 btc worth of commissions from this and this bitstream will never have the impact it could potentially have if you just open source it. However I can see it would not make a difference if I offered you a million Bitcoins and had Satoshi himself write the mining software.

So Thanks for at least taking the time to respond to this post, it will really suck to see your bitstream become obsolete and fall into obscurity before it's ever really even utilized, but this is what is going to happen.

take care

Tom
BTCFPGA.com

Well, this is the first I've heard of this.  Is TheSeven the one doing this?  He's who I've been emailing back and forth with.  As of yesterday he wasn't quite there yet, so I assume this has just happened in the last 24 hours.

It would have been nice if you had sent me a simple email before posting this "open letter" to the forums.  I'm quite happy to discuss this stuff in a reasonable way.  You and I seem to have lost contact two or three weeks ago although I've been corresponding regularly with TheSeven since then.



Great news!  Your customers should appreciate the 25% performance boost.



Well, first off, the signing servers don't send you stales.  They send you signed work.  Your pool or bitcoind is what declares submitted shares to be stale.

I get under 1% stales, so it can't be the signcryption.  If you enable the telnet status monitor (use -Dstatus_port=X and telnet to localhost:X) it will show you the breakdown of how much hashpower is wasted waiting for responses from the signcryption server vs. waiting for the pool vs. work rejected without a longpoll ("unavoidable stales").  You can tune the amount of pipelining used; the default is to always have at least one job pre-signed and ready to load.  With this setting I see 0.05% of my hashpower wasted on signcryption delays.

The image below shows a sample screenshot of the status monitor.  Each row is a board, each group of three cyan numbers is a chip, each of those three numbers is a ring, and the number is the clock frequency at which the ring is running.  If you hit "enter" it will cycle through clock-rate/error-rate/accept-rate on a per-ring basis.  The bottom line always displays the cluster-wide statistics.  The screenshot below is from my testing cluster which consists of the 12 poorest-performing chips out of the batch (one died):



FWIW choice of pool does matter.  I have done 95% of my mining with Eligius, but recently (last four weeks or so) I've found that with EclipseMC and BTCGuild I get under 0.25% stales; I'm not entirely sure why this is.  X-Roll-Nonce helps a lot (which is why I favor EclipseMC over BTCGuild).

Also keep in mind that the TML host software will always submit a share, even if it knows in advance that the share is stale (due to a longpoll, a reject of another share with the same prevblock, or because the miner was working on stale work while waiting for the pool to return a new job).  So you should expect to see a surge of stales every time a block is found.  The "accept" number is what matters when comparing against other implementations.  The "stales" number in the screenshot above will fluctuate a LOT over a 5 minute window; for more accurate measurement of stales, use something like -Drecent_history_len=3600000 which will use a 1-hour window.



Ur…. I really need to resist the urge to get into an argument here.  In the aspects that affect performance it is more sophisticated than the other getwork-management (aka "mining host software") systems out there.  It carefully tracks each millisecond that a board spends without work to do (or with stale work) and "charges" those milliseconds to the appropriate cause (getwork from pool, signcryption, resetting board due to error, etc) which is where those detailed statistics above come from.  The clock calibration is at a 1mhz granularity and the software finds the optimal frequency using logarithmic regression, something no other mining software does.  And the mining software produces nifty charts which are essential for troubleshooting cooling problems (or overvolting, if you're into that, but I don't advise it).

Maybe you're having problems because you've been using it for less than a day?  It also might have something to do with the fact that one of the most popular and quite excellent miners "mpbm" happens to be written by the same guy who wrote the TML's ModMiner driver for you.  There have been many reports of excellent resuts on other boards; see the "confirmed" links on this page.



I appreciate your generous offer, but unfortunately I must decline.

The TML is already available, today, for your customers to use.  There are no commissions until at least 07-Oct.

I didn't do any calculation yet, but I would be happy to donate a reasonable amount if it gets an improovement over current hashrate. I'm running ~2000 FPGA on ZTex boards (~50 single, the rest quad). The only requirement is that the whole thing must be open-source, with no keys, sig, and various complications.

+10BTC for Icarus bitstream 

I was actually thinking of making a bounty thread for this to get done for us MMQ owners. I don't have nearly the amount as the other pledges, but I'll put 4btc towards this.

+10 BTC (all the rest is in ASIC )

I'd pitch in 10BTC

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Definitely plan to implement in BFGMiner if possible.

TheSeven suggested the current code could be opened as-is including the signcryption private keys, to get things going immediately (miners could self-signcrypt), and leave removing the signcryption to later assuming it's non-trivial.

reserved

500 BTC BOUNTY OFFERED FOR OPEN SOURCE BITSTREAM THAT IS FASTER THAN TML

STILL OPEN

Requirements:

Must Make Each Spartan-6 Mine at a stable 250Mh/s or higher
Must be compatible with BFGMiner
MUST BE OPENSOURCE
Must work with ModMiner Quad before Bounty is paid


email [email protected]

thanks!