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Topic: $50k to Invest - Convince Me! (Read 9104 times)

legendary
Activity: 1918
Merit: 1018
July 19, 2014, 08:19:34 AM
If you don't need that money or don't plan on using it for some time then go ahead and invest it. Bitcoin price will rise it's just a matter of time, when exactly, I don't know but it will. Simply because more people will use it, more it will be needed. It's logical next step in evolution of internet.

If he only has 50k$ to invest and don't plan on having way more soon he should diversify a little bit : bitcoins, gold, other natural ressources
legendary
Activity: 2156
Merit: 1132
July 11, 2014, 04:47:26 PM
What is difficult to advise. Once you have accumulated the same amount of fiat money then you already know how to invest.
sr. member
Activity: 406
Merit: 250
July 11, 2014, 03:53:32 PM
If you don't need that money or don't plan on using it for some time then go ahead and invest it. Bitcoin price will rise it's just a matter of time, when exactly, I don't know but it will. Simply because more people will use it, more it will be needed. It's logical next step in evolution of internet.
hero member
Activity: 546
Merit: 500
July 11, 2014, 02:48:29 PM
Interesting that not one person here has a real reason to invest in bitcoin....

Yes indeed; better to invest in protection; it is oversold and it is more volatile, anyway.

http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=TVIX&p=W&b=5&g=0&id=p26873058609
member
Activity: 249
Merit: 10
July 10, 2014, 12:12:13 PM
So you want to update us on the $50k investment? lol.

or the progress. I`d hedge with real gold or gold mining stocks thats just me.
full member
Activity: 315
Merit: 103
July 09, 2014, 12:32:22 PM
IF I had an extra 50k to invest, id probably invest 5k in gold, 20k in silver and the rest in bitcoin. That way you are somewhat spread and not putting all your eggs in one basket.

Silver has done very poorly in the last 2 years.

Central bank will only store gold and not silver, keep this in mind.
sr. member
Activity: 406
Merit: 250
July 08, 2014, 11:02:21 PM
IF I had an extra 50k to invest, id probably invest 5k in gold, 20k in silver and the rest in bitcoin. That way you are somewhat spread and not putting all your eggs in one basket.
In this case you would still be purchasing several hedges against high inflation in the future. If inflation is low in the medium term then these would likely be poor investments, with the potential exception of bitcoin, although this would not be a sure thing
legendary
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LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
July 08, 2014, 11:01:30 PM
I have just allocated some serious money and thinking about investing about $50k on bitcoin. Someone convince me why I should buy $50k worth of bitcoins right now!

You should make your own decisions based on what your own due diligence provides.
hero member
Activity: 924
Merit: 1000
July 08, 2014, 10:53:08 PM
IF I had an extra 50k to invest, id probably invest 5k in gold, 20k in silver and the rest in bitcoin. That way you are somewhat spread and not putting all your eggs in one basket.
sr. member
Activity: 406
Merit: 250
July 08, 2014, 10:43:16 PM
I have just allocated some serious money and thinking about investing about $50k on bitcoin. Someone convince me why I should buy $50k worth of bitcoins right now!


This is the bull case: http://www.honestnode.com/bitcoin-fair-value-a-first-assessment/

Make your own judgments about how reasonable the assumptions are.
2)  The author took some fairly wild leaps in assuming that Bitcoin would account for 10% of the global remittance market, 10% of all internet transactions, and even 10% of black market transactions.  That is a LOT of adoption almost all completely betting on the come.
10% of the remittance market would be huge. I agree that this would simply not be likely as most transactions are done in countries local currencies whose government gives incentives to use.
full member
Activity: 315
Merit: 103
July 08, 2014, 12:27:12 PM
Odd is better to just lend at bitfinex or short 1:1 on icbit.
full member
Activity: 153
Merit: 100
July 08, 2014, 10:56:57 AM
I am going to convince you not to buy, end of story...
member
Activity: 129
Merit: 12
July 08, 2014, 10:36:16 AM
Just do it.
full member
Activity: 309
Merit: 100
July 08, 2014, 04:03:06 AM
Interesting that not one person here has a real reason to invest in bitcoin....

The real reasons are so obvious.
- limited supply
- extremely easy to trade
- built in deflation
- low fees

I don't need a list of 100 reasons to buy bitcoin. The few that are there are very convincing.

For me...

If they are not real to you, what is real?
member
Activity: 150
Merit: 10
July 08, 2014, 03:18:33 AM
Interesting that not one person here has a real reason to invest in bitcoin....
member
Activity: 84
Merit: 10
July 07, 2014, 06:27:08 PM
Spend them on building and advertising a bitcoin gambling site, THAT is an investment.
sr. member
Activity: 364
Merit: 250
July 07, 2014, 06:05:21 PM
I have just allocated some serious money and thinking about investing about $50k on bitcoin. Someone convince me why I should buy $50k worth of bitcoins right now!


This is the bull case: http://www.honestnode.com/bitcoin-fair-value-a-first-assessment/

Make your own judgments about how reasonable the assumptions are.

It was an interesting read.  I hate to say it, because I would LOVE to believe in his final valuation tally, but I can't really get on board with it at this point for a couple of reasons:

1)  I believe his calculations on velocity are incorrect.  He seems to be counting too many transactions in his measure of velocity.  I can't get at it for certain, but it looks as though he would count mining activity as a transaction.  It is not the case that the printing of fiat counts as a transaction of that dollar value, so his calculation of velocity is not an apples-to-apples comparison.

2)  The author took some fairly wild leaps in assuming that Bitcoin would account for 10% of the global remittance market, 10% of all internet transactions, and even 10% of black market transactions.  That is a LOT of adoption almost all completely betting on the come.

3)  Not sure how the M2 piece is somehow additive to other elements of price/value.  In my humble opinion, and I recognize that I could be completely wrong, analyzing as M2 is a separate analysis, not additive to other elements.  In my view, M2 is actually probably the best tool for estimating price/value for Bitcoin, but I don't think you can do that analysis and then add it to the other elements of value.  I'd also add that he flat out plucked that $27.2 billion out of thin air.  There really isn't any rational analysis for why one might use the M2 of a medium country as opposed to a small one or even as opposed to the US M2.

So...good read, lots of thought-provoking elements, but I think he's shooting pretty high with the analysis.
sr. member
Activity: 364
Merit: 250
July 07, 2014, 11:45:33 AM
OP, you really didn't give much information to work with.

I think that in order to evaluate investment potential seriously, one would probably need to know a little more about:

--other investments you have made, in order to determine your portfolio diversity
--your personal degree of risk aversion, particularly for this investment
--perhaps most importantly, your time horizon for the investment--are you looking for returns in 6 months?  50 years?

Anybody who says that bitcoin has to keep going up because it has always gone up in the past is obviously not correct.  There are a ton of unknowns and unknowables. 

Whether it's $50K you want to invest or $5K or $500K is really immaterial.  Bitcoin could grow significantly in value.  It could also drop precipitously.  If you're cashing out a 401(k) from a job change and this represents your largest holding, I wouldn't invest it all in bitcoin...not even a significant chunk.  This is speculation, really, not an investment based on fundamentals.  If you've got a couple million and you're looking for a fun, interesting, and involved way of taking on some risk, by all means, have fun.
legendary
Activity: 992
Merit: 1000
July 06, 2014, 01:54:32 PM
Buying bitcoin is the best investment you can make. It's like the guaranteed lottery ticket of the century.

Anyone with a brain knows that mainstream adoption is going to happen. Paypal will integrate bitcoin and big companies like walmart and gas stations will start accepting BTC. Wall street is going to invest.

It is all going to happen very quickly, and when it does, the price will go from 1k to upwards of 10k very quickly. Most people here will be shocked.

Or if you don't believe me just give me your 50k and I will invest it for you.
full member
Activity: 169
Merit: 100
July 06, 2014, 10:32:00 AM
its better if you invest all of those 50k into mining gear
and mine btc!you will be reach!

Cheaper to buy coin directly if you are thinking about mining.
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