600,000 coins gone!! DPR's personal wallet un crackable! - page 2.

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Quote from: Kouye on October 08, 2013, 11:40:10 AM

Quote from: 600watt on October 08, 2013, 07:13:38 AM

fbi is stealing funds from citizens ? like from those that use telephone banking ? tell me it ain´t so.

They don't, because if they want your $, they just call your bank.
With BTC they have nobody they can call to seize your wealth, so they might indeed make good use of such a service.

good point.

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Quote from: LiteCoinGuy on October 08, 2013, 12:07:49 PM

Quote from: kik1977 on October 08, 2013, 11:13:08 AM

I still cannot believe the FBI has no clue about DPR's main account: They had been following and spying him for quite a long time and then decided to get him. If you delay the arrest of a suspect is because you're waiting for something, like in this case waiting for him to reveal in any way where he's keeping is money or where he keeps the private key. Is it possible the waited for so long without being able to catch it?

maybe they have installed a keylogger on his computer. or they say: give us the key and you will have only 40 years in jail instead of 70.
i guess they will get the coins.

That's exactly what I thought.. I read somewhere (not sure if it's true or not, but it seems plausible), that FBI was watching him and on the day of his arrest, was waiting for him to access his password-protected laptop in order to arrest him once the password was typed in. That's why I wonder how it's possible they haven't grabbed the rest of the money yet. Analyzing the blockchain, it should be easy for them to see exactly where every satoshi went and possibly quite easy to exchange those wallets' private keys in exchange of some years in jail.

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Quote from: kik1977 on October 08, 2013, 11:13:08 AM

I still cannot believe the FBI has no clue about DPR's main account: They had been following and spying him for quite a long time and then decided to get him. If you delay the arrest of a suspect is because you're waiting for something, like in this case waiting for him to reveal in any way where he's keeping is money or where he keeps the private key. Is it possible the waited for so long without being able to catch it?

maybe they have installed a keylogger on his computer. or they say: give us the key and you will have only 40 years in jail instead of 70.
i guess they will get the coins.

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Guys this was posted on another thread but I'll drop it here:

https://blockchain.info/address/1933phfhK3ZgFQNLGSDXvqCn32k2buXY8a

Amount and beginning timestamp are in line. And it was definitely part of a SR tumbler system you can tell from the transaction logs.

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Quote from: 600watt on October 08, 2013, 07:13:38 AM

fbi is stealing funds from citizens ? like from those that use telephone banking ? tell me it ain´t so.

They don't, because if they want your $, they just call your bank.
With BTC they have nobody they can call to seize your wealth, so they might indeed make good use of such a service.

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Quote from: kik1977 on October 08, 2013, 11:13:08 AM

I still cannot believe the FBI has no clue about DPR's main account: They had been following and spying him for quite a long time and then decided to get him. If you delay the arrest of a suspect is because you're waiting for something, like in this case waiting for him to reveal in any way where he's keeping is money or where he keeps the private key. Is it possible the waited for so long without being able to catch it?

Are you on drugs? The FBI couldn't care less about 600,000 bitcoin. What on earth do they want them for? Do you think they would sell them and use the money to buy coffee for the agents? 80 million is nothing to the Fed. There is no motivation whatever for the FBI to stall their investigation until they find the key. If those 600000 coins go lost forever, the FBI doesn't give a damn. Everyone who holds bitcoin should just celebrate that that value was instantly returned to the community. All of our holdings just went up 5%. The FBI doesn't want those bitcoins for any purpose. They want that guy in jail - and now he is. The FBI is starting to look for the next guy already. They don't care about DPR's key in the least. Let it die with him.

Maybe, they'd like to prevent him from getting that money to a lawyer. $80million worth of legal services might bring them a headache. Otherwise, they don't even want to find that money.

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I still cannot believe the FBI has no clue about DPR's main account: They had been following and spying him for quite a long time and then decided to get him. If you delay the arrest of a suspect is because you're waiting for something, like in this case waiting for him to reveal in any way where he's keeping is money or where he keeps the private key. Is it possible the waited for so long without being able to catch it?

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Quote from: HammerFist on October 08, 2013, 02:09:16 AM

Bitcoin is ideal for prison use. It is impossible to find by the guards. Everyone must get used to using brain wallets

Haven't you heard about CageCoin? There's no computer needed. Not only does it exclusively use brain wallets, but the users calculate and validate the signatures themselves.

All the hashes are calculated in their heads, using an algorithm that's optimised for neuronal processing and therefore can't be beaten with a GPU or even an ASIC. I's virtually impossible for any one gang of inmates to gain 51% of hashing power, although I did hear that one group was experimenting with gene therapy to add direct hashing to their brain chemistry.

a hard fork would be... uhm... split brain ?

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Quote from: greyhawk on October 08, 2013, 06:58:54 AM

Quote from: 600watt on October 08, 2013, 06:46:59 AM

hm... sry for ot, but would it be possible to develop a way/device/software/service where one could pay with bitcoins only via voice/phoneline ? imagine you could say a certain passphrase and the sum you want to spend and this service would execute this order...

That's an excellent way to have the FBI empty your wallet while their tapping your phone. Someone should set this up.

fbi is stealing funds from citizens ? like from those that use telephone banking ? tell me it ain´t so.

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Quote from: 600watt on October 08, 2013, 06:46:59 AM

hm... sry for ot, but would it be possible to develop a way/device/software/service where one could pay with bitcoins only via voice/phoneline ? imagine you could say a certain passphrase and the sum you want to spend and this service would execute this order...

That's an excellent way to have the FBI empty your wallet while their tapping your phone. Someone should set this up.

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hm... sry for ot, but would it be possible to develop a way/device/software/service where one could pay with bitcoins only via voice/phoneline ? imagine you could say a certain passphrase and the sum you want to spend and this service would execute this order...

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Quote from: wormbog on October 07, 2013, 03:06:17 PM

He could use it as prison currency.

Bitcoin is ideal for prison use. It is impossible to find by the guards. Everyone must get used to using brain wallets - but since they all have much time, this won't be too hard. Bitcoin is perfect for use by locked up felons - and those on the run!!! What a great world we live in.

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bottom line is FBI wont be Able to do anything with the 600k btc if they cant crack the wallet password. DPR probably has multiple backups of the wallet hidden with friends or online.

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Quote from: repentance on October 07, 2013, 09:43:21 PM

Quote from: freedomno1 on October 07, 2013, 09:21:14 PM

Well it is the policy of police and I guess the FBI to sell the proceeds earned from drug money to the highest bidder
Although usually it is a motorcycle or fancy car I guess bitcoins would fall under the scope
Again this assumes they have access to the memory wallet too and all of the bitcoins
Good ol Police Auctions XD
For sale 600,000 bitcoins lol.

Seized cash often gets distributed amongst the agencies responsible for the seizure. As the BTC currently held by the feds could never be spent from that account without everyone realising they were dealing with law enforcement, it makes more sense to liquidate them - even though generally keeping currency is the more logical option.

I'm curious about what sized lots the BTC will be offered in and especially curious about whether the feds will follow the trail of the BTC post-sale ('cos I'm damned sure they'll set it up so that buyers must prove their identity in some way).

Buy low sell high then buy non FBI bitcoins with your cash from the Post-Sale Bitcoins of course I guess it depends on how through they are with post-sale bitcoins

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The silkroad guy should have burried the wallet in the desert like Walt Wink

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Quote from: freedomno1 on October 07, 2013, 09:21:14 PM

Well it is the policy of police and I guess the FBI to sell the proceeds earned from drug money to the highest bidder
Although usually it is a motorcycle or fancy car I guess bitcoins would fall under the scope
Again this assumes they have access to the memory wallet too and all of the bitcoins
Good ol Police Auctions XD
For sale 600,000 bitcoins lol.

Seized cash often gets distributed amongst the agencies responsible for the seizure. As the BTC currently held by the feds could never be spent from that account without everyone realising they were dealing with law enforcement, it makes more sense to liquidate them - even though generally keeping currency is the more logical option.

I'm curious about what sized lots the BTC will be offered in and especially curious about whether the feds will follow the trail of the BTC post-sale ('cos I'm damned sure they'll set it up so that buyers must prove their identity in some way).

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Quote from: monbux on October 07, 2013, 08:56:52 PM

Quote from: runam0k on October 07, 2013, 02:14:08 PM

The 600,000BTC figure is based on the maximum possible $80m slice of sales he took, no? I would think his private stash would be a good deal lower than 600,000. Still lots for the FBI to sell if they ever get the key and recover it.

FBI to SELL? Wow, you US people are totally corrupt...

Well it is the policy of police and I guess the FBI to sell the proceeds earned from drug money to the highest bidder
Although usually it is a motorcycle or fancy car I guess bitcoins would fall under the scope
Again this assumes they have access to the memory wallet too and all of the bitcoins
Good ol Police Auctions XD
For sale 600,000 bitcoins lol.

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Quote from: runam0k on October 07, 2013, 02:14:08 PM

The 600,000BTC figure is based on the maximum possible $80m slice of sales he took, no? I would think his private stash would be a good deal lower than 600,000. Still lots for the FBI to sell if they ever get the key and recover it.

FBI to SELL? Wow, you US people are totally corrupt...

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