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BTC44.5 pledge so far with the other <£1,600 of BTC also a friend of mine may be pledging up to BTC27.00.  With my pledge this may enable us to purchase up to six 50(GH/s)BFL's.  With the KNCMiner Saturn this would take us to 680(GH/s) over 140,000 shares in total or up to 4.857142857(MH/s)per share up from the current 2.818445158(MH/s)per share. 

The new 76,135 shares would be held by RSM until the new equipment ordered is received.  As there held by RSM they'll receive no dividends until they're distributed amongst the new investors after their newly pre-ordered equipment is hashing.

Two motions will now be held; one to decide on to purchase up to six 50(GH/s)BFL's for nearly 60,000 shares or five for nearly 50,00 shares.  Another motion for a KNCMiner Saturn@200(GH/s) 28nm due for September for nearly 20,000 shares.  All these newly created shares will be held by RSM and receive no dividends until there new pre-ordered equipment is hashing.  If a motion is needed the vote of these new shares will be decided between the £1,600 investor, the BTC27.00 investor and me if I invest the £1,620 of BTC needed to purchase the sixth BFL SC instead of only five, when I would need to only put in around £350 of BTC.

The motion on the BFL's will run for only 48 hours due to the time limit on our 25% discount voucher.  The motion on the KNC will run until Friday.  At least a 51% yes vote is needed for each motion to pass.  Are these motions suitable to put up or do they need altering.  I'd like to have both motions up by midnight tonight GMT/UTC.

This equates to nearly $20,000 of BTC or nearly BTC200 or of fresh stimulus investment after the 25% BFL discount is taken unto account.  The fact the new shares wont affect dividends until they boost them significantly means this is good for all investors and I hope you all vote yes on both motions.  Even if all three of our early pre-orders started hashing today it would still take the reinvestment growth fund until October to raise the amount of funds.  Yet we still don't have our earliest pre-order yet.  So we are at least doubling our growth by this winter.  Which should put us in a lot better position in the new year where we'll hopefully be running over 1(TH/s) or >7(MH/s)per share.

That just leaves the question on whether to go with 600(GH/s) of 28nm chips promised for September.  Or only 200(GH/s) of 28nm chips with 250(GH/s) of 65nm chips promised for October.  The second idea is the safest but the first has by far the potential to be the most rewarding.  You have to speculate to accumulate but if KNCMiner implodes RSM implodes    KNCMiner are working with a very good/big chip manufacturer tho.  So I don't personally think they'll hit BFL level delays but there's always the chance they could still implode and take us down basically with it!

BTW I'd prefer the new shares dividends to go straight into the growth fund until they're released to the new investors.

Further funding and hence the new share deal, seems almost essential at this point, if we are to grow and not stagnate for the next 4-5 months. It would therefore be wise not to be too scare off the new investors. However, as they would be getting the shares at a decent discount, I see no harm in having some sort of lock-in period perhaps when RSM passes a designated GH level they are released? In the mean time these locked share dividends are used for re-investment, by either purchasing shares back off the market or just straight into the growth fund.

Disclosure. I own shares here already and am pledged as a new investor.

We do have a KNCMiner Saturn unit as part of the plan.  Tho I'm worried they may run into BFL level delays.  The five SC's we're going to purchase have a 25% discount.  BFL are currently shipping the densest chips and we'll always buy the densest chips shipping as long as its cost effect.  We could use the money from the five BFL SC order to pre-order a 400(GH/s) KNCMiner instead.  Taking us to 780(GH/s) instead with 600(GH/s) of that at 28nm.  Hence hedging our bets if BFL still can implode.  As KNCMiner are still only promising September shipping and have no chips yet.  While the new BFL SC's wont be due until October.  But we've been burnt badly with pre-order delays and BFL have a shipping device and actual chips.  If they was to still implode I'm sure a take-over bankruptcy deal of there order book would be done at this stage.  Also what about if RSM holds the 60,000 new shares.  So that RSM receives the dividends from them which are paid into the growth reinvestment fund.

More ideas and opinions welcome.

Edit:  My heart wants to go fully KNC as there promising to ship first but mostly because there 28nm.  That'd be a major advantage as long as they don't run into twelve month plus of delays.  Tho my head says BFL as they have the chips and devices shipping.  Even if there October promise is later than KNCMiners September promise.  Very tricky decision and I still don't know how I'd vote 

A few concerns, I'm not sure why we are planning on diluting the shares to buy what is actually going to be old hardware by the time BFL ship. Would it not make better sense to either A) put that investment towards another KNC for example or B) just save the money we make in the first 1-3 months of mining (growth fund - see sheet) to put towards more hardware, im not sure diluting the shares is the way to go, but then again, I'm not 100% I understand everything fully .

Why would it be better to dilute the shares in that way to attract new investment rather than "wait" and use the growth fund to buy the new hardware?

"To make the motion sweeter for old investors I may put to the motion.  That the new 30,000-40,000 new shares will be held in a holding account until the new ASIC's their paying for are hashing.  With all the dividends received from the 30,000-40,000 new shares while there held be used to buy more shares off the market until all the new shares are distributed.  This should help stop any mass dumping of shares until we have got a lot of hashrate behind us and help stimulate share prices as well for all investors." - I think I like this idea however.

This is pretty much a one off event but if we can ever raise serious capital to invest.  As long as the (MH/s)per share grows its in original investors interests.

Concerns ?

yes a few but not serious, more towards the general policies here. Is dilution of shares to raise capitol the way you intend to grow? or is this essentially a one off event.
Obviously for a 90% reinvestment business model we need to have some serious fire power to begin with or we will never be able to grow but with little dividend initially to be expected in this model, dilution seems counter-productive.

Chicken and egg situation.

perhaps, as this is essentially a significant restructure now would be a good time for for a couple of new motions to and a little revamp of the contract on BTC-TC ?

obviously that's only one opinion, it would be nice to hear what others think.
   

If we go ahead with the purchase of five 50(GH/s)SC's and the KNCMiner Saturn.  It'll mean increasing shares in RSM from ~63,000 to 120,000.  But our hash rate will increase from the current 180(GH/s) to 630(GH/s).  With share value going from the current 2.818445158(MH/s)per share to 5.25(MH/s)per share.  So there'll be an addition of around 100% to the dividend fund come October.  With the reinvestment growth fund rising from 160(GH/s) to 560(GH/s).  The newly created 56135 shares will be held in a holding account until all the new equipment is received.  With the dividends received by these new shares used to buy shares off the market until they're distributed amongst the new investors.  This should help stimulate RSM's price.  Are they any investor concerns about this new expansion plan.  Is it needed to put up two separate motions for both the BFL and the KNC expansion plans.

Fingers crossed with help of a friend of mine (and the other pledges) we may have enough to soon pre-order five 50(GH/s)SC's.  This will mean 110,000 shares in total (with the 36,135 new shares to be held in a holding account until delivery) and a hashrate of 430(GH/s).  Or up to 3.909090909(MH/s)per share from the current 2.818445158(MH/s)per share.  An addition of 72.1% to dividends and the growth fund come October.

At current exchange rates this means new investors to this expansion issue will be paying BTC0.002193593 per share while the current thirty day traded average price is BTC0.01869.  But this new investment will grow output and add an addition 72.1% to dividends and the growth fund come October.

We should have the £1,600 around Wednesday and'll speak to my other major investor friend probably on Monday while all the rest is pledged.

More pledges are welcome as we have 25% discount of the whole order.

We have also been offered a 28nm KNCMiner Saturn for shares.  This would mean at least an extra 200(GH/s) to take us to 630(GH/s).  These shares too would be held in a holding account until the Saturn is hashing.  Plus it'll increase (MH/s)per share handsomely but that is a separate motion for another time.

If we can raise at least another BTC10 we may be able to pre-order four 50(GH/s)SC's in total.  Taking us to 380(GH/s) over 100,000 shares.  Up to 3.8(MH/s)per share from the current 2.818445158(MH/s)per share.  Or an increase in dividends and therefore the reinvestment fund of around 30%.

To make the motion sweeter for old investors I may put to the motion.  That the new 30,000-40,000 new shares will be held in a holding account until the new ASIC's their paying for are hashing.  With all the dividends received from the 30,000-40,000 new shares while there held be used to buy more shares off the market until all the new shares are distributed.  This should help stop any mass dumping of shares until we have got a lot of hashrate behind us and help stimulate share prices as well for all investors.

BTC25 promised so far and I'd like to ask all the investors in this expansion to hold and not sell any shares.  Until a month after hashing on the new equipment they're paying for.  Which should be around November as BFL aim to be shipping next day by the end of September.

So far we have been offered BTC15.00 towards our expansion plan for discount shares.  Plus the other £1,500.  All investment is welcome as we have a 25% discount voucher for the whole order.  It may instead help lower what's needed for me to invest.  As my exposia in RSM is currently 25% of all stock.  With 23% of that purchased myself privately from the exchange.

We need about £3,750 to pre-order three 50(GH/s)SC for delivery in October.  I've currently got a new investor trying to raise £1,500 to invest in RSM.  If I can match his investment possibly then we need to raise around £750 to buy three.  Around 30,000 shares will be shared over the £3,750 of investment.  The 25% BFL discount voucher which enables us to buy three SC's runs out in a couple of weeks.  This deal works out at buying shares for BTC0.002055921 each.  Which is a massive discount if you're interested in helping us raise the funds.

If the dividends will increase by 25% so will the reinvestment fund.  Meaning we could also grow faster.  If I can match their investment we only need to find around £500 of extra BTC to be able to purchase three 50(GH/s)SC's.  But I do have some very delicate family matters to deal with ATM.  So cannot guarantee my extra investment 100% yet.  The 25% BFL discount voucher is only valid for a couple of more weeks.  So we'll need to find the extra £500 pretty quick if this expansion plan does go ahead.  Any offers of funds for discount shares?

Hopefully we'll be hashing very soon.  I may got someone to invest £1,500 and if I match their investment for payment in new shares then we only need to find ~£500 to purchase three 50(GH/s)SC's.  This will increase RSM shares from ~63,000 to ~93,000 and will increase hashrate from 180(GH/s) to 330(GH/s) and shares from from 2.818445158(MH/s)per share to 3.548387097(MH/s)per share.  So it'll make the shares more valuable and increase dividends per share.  So we may be looking to find extra investment of around £500 of BTC for discount shares.  If anyone is interested.  So even tho ~30,000 extra shares would be created hashrate per share will increase by at least 25%.  So dividends and therefore share price should both increase by 25%.

Looks like our hosting plans if we went KNCMiner are out of the window!


As they're shipping from within the EU we'll have no import duties to pay AFAIK.  So I'd rather try and find a secure location to host them local to me.

On the BFL note I've read in there forums that they're moving on from June 23rd 2012 Singles pre-orders.  I think most of the pre-orders between us and pre-order 1# were made on June 23rd 2012.  So I assume there at least half way through the pre-order queue to our first pre-order.

Most people who invested into RSM at the IPO are in for the long haul hence the such high price now for shares.  BTC/USD was about ~$16 at the IPO.  Nasty mining who had a 23rd of June 2012 SC pre-order got there's about two weeks ago.  Our first order was on July 7th 2012 so we shouldn't have much longer now.  BFL still haven't replied from my email from June 30th 2013 so I'm expecting our next email from them to be say we're hashing.  Has anyone else heard of any other 60(GH/s)SC deliveries and on what date the orders were made?

Edit:  Just checked the BFL forums and apparently there still shipping June 23rd 2012 60(GH/s)SC pre-orders.  BFL have stated to have all pre-orders shipped by the end of September.

I am what you call a "new" investor on RSM, so somebody who would sell at loss just now.
I've underestimated the risk of accumulating on RSM, that's obviously my fault.










 

The IPO price after the stock split works out as BTC0.01 per share and the thirty day average traded price is currently BTC0.01916.  Unless you're a new investor who came to RSM well after the IPO and very recently you should be able to sell at a profit.

Shame the swap deal failed.
Problem is difficulty is ramping up and RSM is still not mining ...
As a shareholder i'm considering selling (at a loss) and looking elsewhere, unless something happens soon.
Judging by falling price many people already did it.