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Topic: 8 out of the 15 top marketcaps are not mineable! (Read 7095 times)

newbie
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Doesn't really matter if a coin been mined or just created out of the thin air and distributed on some fancy way, if there are no real world services for it.

^ This. Mining is fetishized in this community, to me it's just a means to an end. People forget what attracts the mainstream to Bitcoin is not how the coins are created but the end use of it.
You are probably right, but to get there bitcoins was supported by many miners (not investors investing their money on dev good words) who invested in hardware, time, electricity etc... real investors (and shady one as well...) who created company to use and support bitcoins.

Non-minable coins rely mostly on unreliable dev and investors, there is basically no future to them, because anybody going to these coins are only interested in short term profit (and no mining means also no string attached... you don't need to buy or sell hardware or anything... ), there is nothing in that which would bring confidence in those coins to make them mainstream... (well even if you reinvent again and again silkroad... )

No, you invest in the coins themselves and hold them like equities which pay a dividend. There is an investment, just not in hardware and electricity.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a gpu miner with several rigs running 24/7 and happy as a clam with how eth is rolling up. However, I am also openminded and see the advantages of POS, so I'm also building a stake in Ripple using my mined eth.

BTC has become centralized by the four major pools in China.  China is well known as a currency manipulator so expect more of the same for BTC in the future.

BTC and ETH have both proven to be archaic at this point.  When their networks get flooded they can't handle it well. Some transactions taking days is exactly what it wasn't intended to be. I don't know what THE coin(s) will ultimately be, but I do know it won't be BTC, ETH, LTC, or BTH. Maybe IOTA, Ripple, Steem, Walton... who knows.  Maybe we'll get a better handle on it by 2018/19.
sr. member
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Bitcoin © Maximalist
What is amazing a solidary none minable coin (BitShares) has survived and 3 minable (Bitcoin, Litecoin, Monero)
Ripple is not Blockchain tech, instead a evolotion of 1960 database technology and Dash is now Pos (45% minable, 55% Proof of Service)
Very telling.

Ratio now 9 minable 5 not and a out of place database operating company.
full member
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What's funny is seeing a thread i made two years ago pop up again Smiley
legendary
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It's pretty funny to compare TS's printscreen of cryptocurrency markets capitalization to today's cap  Smiley

Actually is same. Right now 8 out of TOP15 crypto currencies cant be mined. Just like in 2014.
full member
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It's pretty funny to compare TS's printscreen of cryptocurrency markets capitalization to today's cap  Smiley
hero member
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What if I told you that one of the non-mineable coins on your list does not even have a blockchain or trade on a decentralized ledger so that they cannot be created (diluted) without a hard fork?

Can you guess which one is not even a crypto?

aaand - that one is ... ? ...

#crysx

Banxshares
legendary
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--- ChainWorks Industries ---
What if I told you that one of the non-mineable coins on your list does not even have a blockchain or trade on a decentralized ledger so that they cannot be created (diluted) without a hard fork?

Can you guess which one is not even a crypto?

aaand - that one is ... ? ...

#crysx
legendary
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--- ChainWorks Industries ---
  • marketcap is a useless number
  • 2500 tons of gold is mined a year, how much of it did average joe dig up with the shovel, and how much is industrial mined?
  • there is unlimited supply of pos coins you going to invest in them all?
  • at current price, $900,984.20 USD is invested every day in btc
  • necrothread?, Nubits not top 50 now


yup - this might be a dead thread - but i came across it and wanted to comment ...

so necrothread it is Smiley ...

but you do make some good points ...

#crysx
legendary
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Energy is Wealth
  • marketcap is a useless number
  • 2500 tons of gold is mined a year, how much of it did average joe dig up with the shovel, and how much is industrial mined?
  • there is unlimited supply of pos coins you going to invest in them all?
  • at current price, $900,984.20 USD is invested every day in btc
  • necrothread?, Nubits not top 50 now
legendary
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Merit: 1091
--- ChainWorks Industries ---
None of the "mineable" coins are really mineable. No average joe will ever get a full coin out of these currencies by mining with the current difficulties...

+1

Average joe's are getting blocks of Monero mining with cpu'z

see - and who said that mining was dead Wink ...

#crysx
legendary
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Stagnation is Death
None of the "mineable" coins are really mineable. No average joe will ever get a full coin out of these currencies by mining with the current difficulties...

+1

Average joe's are getting blocks of Monero mining with cpu'z
legendary
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--- ChainWorks Industries ---
hi all ...

an old topic but still one of interest ... even though this sort of discussion has been hashed out in almost every other thread ...

mining coins should be as difficult or as easy as you make it ...

obviously - the more popular the coin - the higher the hashrate - the harder it is to get ...

our coin is specifically a 'miners' coin - and even though is not so popular now - can be mined easily ...

for all the miners out tehre - have a go ... x11 is pretty much a standard nowadays ...

here is the thread - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/a-chainworks-industries-cwi-project-granite-simple-solid-stable-grn-718939 ...

and we have started a new donation thread for those wonderful devs out there if you would prefer to doante hasrate rather than coin to the devs ...

the donation links will be growing steadily as we get the hardware and facilities to add more ...

here is the thread - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/a-chainworks-industries-cwi-project-donate-by-mining-dbm-1089744 ...

we believe that mining will be the force behind crypto for a very long time to come ...

#crysx
legendary
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Twitter @realmicroguy
I think that the current situation is what will more or less be the norm. A mix of ideas and systems of distribution.

This is my view as well, and one reason our developer created a new multi-coin wallet that will support any coin. Rather than the bother of downloading wallet after wallet, the Goldcoin user can simply add an LTC or NXT module and keep all the coins in the same wallet.

 

hero member
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Implying they are becoming just mere economic tools like toxic stock options and subprimes. With no adoption and increasingly elitarian access no one gives a fuck.
legendary
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Money often costs too much.
yes but the number 1 mineable (and with specialist equipment) dwarfs all the others combined.....

also for anything that has a zillions coins and comparative little trading vol, market cap really aint relevant (well its not really relevant for anything with little trading vol).
Right! Same stance here. 533 listed coins make that figure not easily visible, but the size relations are like that. 532 dwarfes standing around 1 giant.
The mood point is that giant stumbling and guess who else gets burried below
legendary
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Money often costs too much.
you have a very distinctive view on the markets there. I beg to differ from this observation. Just the today's picture taken to clearify, starting with the

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Crypto-Currency Market Capitalizations
24 Hour Volume Rankings

we have 533 Currencies / 35 Assets / 1695 Markets
with a total Market Cap: $ 5,997,598,062 / 24h Vol: $ 45,458,340

82.98 % of all trades are done in Bitcoin vs. Anything, that is $ 37,722,936 in Volume
8.88 % Litecoins, $ 4,037,171 in Volume
100 % - 82.98 % - 8.88 % = 8.14 % left for everything else

That is by far less then 8 out of the 15 which somewhat makes it sound like more than half

Admittingly I usually only watch currencies/views/filter-non-mineable-and-premined/ since there might 30,881,360,458 Ripples be in existence, and they roll out more every day (your picture from 2 days ago shown only 28,989,252,282 XRP so they printed 1,892,108,176 more in 48 hours) but who buys them? To be honest at the moment I have to read some more about Ripple. According to Ripples knowledge_center/bridge-currency/
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There is no requirement that Ripple users hold or exchange XRP, aside from the negligible reserve amount. Ripple is currency agnostic. Merchants do not need to accept XRP to use Ripple. Both buyers and sellers can continue to use their preferred currencies.

disclaimer: on the long I like to prefere POS myself, seeing POW mining as a waste. A new concept is very much welcome! A currency agnostic "XRP has great value as a bridge currency " that I do not have to buy to use seems intriguing, too.

PS: had posted about POW electricity costs, placed in relation to daily trade volume to explain why Bitcoin goes down in value steadily. If interested can link to that posting or crosspost here. I cannot explain why XRP coin supply goes up steadily, you might want to ask Alan Greenspan
legendary
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None of the "mineable" coins are really mineable. No average joe will ever get a full coin out of these currencies by mining with the current difficulties...
legendary
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Doesn't really matter if a coin been mined or just created out of the thin air and distributed on some fancy way, if there are no real world services for it.

^ This. Mining is fetishized in this community, to me it's just a means to an end. People forget what attracts the mainstream to Bitcoin is not how the coins are created but the end use of it.
You are probably right, but to get there bitcoins was supported by many miners (not investors investing their money on dev good words) who invested in hardware, time, electricity etc... real investors (and shady one as well...) who created company to use and support bitcoins.

Non-minable coins rely mostly on unreliable dev and investors, there is basically no future to them, because anybody going to these coins are only interested in short term profit (and no mining means also no string attached... you don't need to buy or sell hardware or anything... ), there is nothing in that which would bring confidence in those coins to make them mainstream... (well even if you reinvent again and again silkroad... )
legendary
Activity: 1246
Merit: 1000
Doesn't really matter if a coin been mined or just created out of the thin air and distributed on some fancy way, if there are no real world services for it.

^ This. Mining is fetishized in this community, to me it's just a means to an end. People forget what attracts the mainstream to Bitcoin is not how the coins are created but the end use of it, that I can send it across the world instantly and that it is a deflationary currency not controlled by any state, government or one-party entity.
legendary
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Doesn't really matter if a coin been mined or just created out of the thin air and distributed on some fancy way, if there are no real world services for it.
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