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Topic: 8 out of the 15 top marketcaps are not mineable! - page 2. (Read 7096 times)

sr. member
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Some people don't have any interest in mining so it makes sense there would be coins that get distributed in different ways so there are coins for everyone. People are just trying to capitalize on that I think.

capitalize ? i agree.. print free money while putting nothing into it LOL

your defense is it's own criticism hahha

Putting efforts and wasting energy to mine a coin (or create whatever in the universe) doesn't guarantee it will have value. Only demand can guarantee that value. Demand depends on utility, unique use cases, not on how many efforts were put into the creation process.
legendary
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FUD Philanthropist™
Some people don't have any interest in mining so it makes sense there would be coins that get distributed in different ways so there are coins for everyone. People are just trying to capitalize on that I think.

capitalize ? i agree.. print free money while putting nothing into it LOL

your defense is it's own criticism hahha
sr. member
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Some people don't have any interest in mining so it makes sense there would be coins that get distributed in different ways so there are coins for everyone. People are just trying to capitalize on that I think.
hero member
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PoW just isn't necessary in every case anymore. I'm not going to say it's useless, but proof of stake allows a lot more people to participate without having to buy hardware that will end up becoming obsolete very quickly. Depending on the goals of the cryptocurrency, it doesn't even matter if it's PoW or PoS, like NuBits. 1 NBT = $1, period, so it's not some arms race on getting the biggest piece of the initial distribution pie.

Also, market caps are dumb. It's much easier to reach a high market cap when you have most of the coins supply out on day 1, so it's not a very good way to look at things to begin with.
legendary
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Miners have bitten the hand that feeds for years, and generally just use cryptocurrency to convert into fiat. This is natural progression away from that 'problem'.

Try running a significant farm without doing that. It gets expensive quick
legendary
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Miners have bitten the hand that feeds for years, and generally just use cryptocurrency to convert into fiat. This is natural progression away from that 'problem'.
legendary
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yes but the number 1 mineable (and with specialist equipment) dwarfs all the others combined.....


also for anything that has a zillions coins and comparative little trading vol, market cap really aint relevant (well its not really relevant for anything with little trading vol).
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I think that the current situation is what will more or less be the norm. A mix of idea and systems of distribution. Asics will exist. Some will endeavor to make coins that can use the cpu/gpu hardware and other will go with pos and other variations of it. I would like to see a coin made that uses pos/cpu/gpu hybrid system. That after a week of cpu/gpu mining with large block payouts it would end with pos at say 5% and have cpu/mining with small (1-5) coin payout with 5 minute times. That would still allow small mining with out much interests from Asic folks and not have a ridiculous coin total or inflation.

Yeah, one thing that I think that stands out like a sore thumb is the ridiculous advantage that specialized hardware and privatized software get in PoW.

I mean there's kernels out there that push out more than double the hashrate for some GPUs/CPUs that just aren't available to regular users.

People make these things and keep them to themselves, because PoW itself has created a situation where things like that are basically infinitely valuable.

You literally can't pay some people enough money to release some of these things, and they're not wrong for keeping them to themselves.

PoS seems to eliminate this industrial advantage and settle on the idea that everyone will get a reward representative of the amount of value they control.

On balance, I don't know which one is more decentralized - just too much at play - but in the very least I know for sure that the new coins coming into existence with PoS do not favor people with specialized hardware or software, but more of the coins do end up in the hands of people with more money than you, before it hits the market. Where, with PoW, new coins coming into existence will permanently be acquired by an industrial mining process and then sold to the market.

One method requires people with more resources to invest capital for a risky reward, one method requires people with more resources to hold capital. Honestly, viewing it like this seems to make them compliments.

So, which one is more likely to put coins into my hands, assuming I originally started out with .0005% of the currency (total emission * .000005) by whatever means, after a year or two of sitting on it?

Will this be a negligible point after adoption though? Wouldn't you just go to work and earn your currency, rather than mine your currency?

Personally, I tend to heavily favor the risk that becomes associated with investing into PoW mining with all three of hardware, software, and power .. because it pretty much eliminates the need to ever go to an exchange, sort out getting BTC in the first place, and then buying the coin .. which is probably why people went with PoW distributions for PoS coins. PoW always feels so accessible IMO, one of the main reasons I like it.
legendary
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Good point and as always i won't have anything to do with Non-Minable coins.. they are all crap as afar as i am concerned.

I am not surprised by this either.. if you think about it it's all about the least path of resistance to greed and profit.
why bother mine coins when you just want to make a buck on something... anything ?

Mining coins is what got me into crypto because i could use my existing hardware and did not have to take money out of my bank for this stuff.
and i never have either.. 0 cents invested to date  Cool

This topic remind me of the IPO coins Poll you all refuse to comment on no matter how many times i bump LOL
newbie
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I think that the current situation is what will more or less be the norm. A mix of idea and systems of distribution. Asics will exist. Some will endeavor to make coins that can use the cpu/gpu hardware and other will go with pos and other variations of it. I would like to see a coin made that uses pos/cpu/gpu hybrid system. That after a week of cpu/gpu mining with large block payouts it would end with pos at say 5% and have cpu/mining with small (1-5) coin payout with 5 minute times. That would still allow small mining with out much interests from Asic folks and not have a ridiculous coin total or inflation.
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In the last year, I've watched Proof of Work slide from the most commonly sought after, highest market cap group of coins based on current coins in existence to being represented by less than half of the top fifteen coins.

Taking its place, we have mostly variants of Proof of Stake coins that, by number, seem to be cornering the cryptocurrency scene.

Let's take a look:


Of this list we have the following coins that are not mineable:

NuBits
BanxShares
Fuelcoin
Stellar
Counterparty
NXT
Bitshares
Ripple

And these that are still mineable:

Bitcoin
Litecoin
Dogecoin
Peercoin
Darkcoin
Namecoin
Monero

Of the list that's still mineable, only two do not have publicly available dedicated hardware designed to eliminate GPU and CPU miners, while five have hardware available to follow an industrial mining process.

So, we now have roughly two coins out the top fifteen marketcaps that are capable of being mined by anyone with reasonably standard computer hardware.

Is Proof of Work dead, as a method to distribute a constant supply of new coins in a manner that requires a constant supply of fresh money?

What happened here?

What does the future hold for both PoW and PoS in terms of the number of coins with the top fifteen market caps based on current emission?

Will PoW become further industrialized, with a hardware race?

How long can Proof of Stake variants hold the top spot in the marketcap race?
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