A case of the pandemic changing the score and affecting sports betting - page 7.

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Quote from: Janation on October 09, 2020, 04:28:46 AM

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Quote from: Sadlife on October 08, 2020, 08:01:11 AM

While its certain that the pandemic has affected certain teams in sports, there are proven solutions that could work to boost a players morale to play despite the pandemic.
We can see, virtual audience is effective for players to gain energy especially with a digital world. Its more easy to connect with many people in social media platforms.

Well, it is a solution also for the league to gain people from watching the game. Another thing is that it is still different with a live audience or fans in an arena or a stadium. It is fun to see NBA games with homecourt advantages as they said it, it could also changes games and I think we will not be seeing a Miami Heat vs. LA Lakers finals if the series is not in the bubble.

But those actual games is better than we have right now.

You can hear the roaring crowd that would fuel the players and could show or give more great plays for their fans. They are still doing that but I see them more outside the bubble. The funny interactions of the players, their fans and some celebrities that are watching the game. Still, I am thankful that the games continued as it also help other people cope being in their houses for a long time.

But we can't do anything about it now though. As you said, I am also thankful that the games continued. It may be different if the pandemic happened and they didn't play in the bubble but still, there are players that did shine in this series and we've seen some performances that may be different to the usual games that they are having.

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IMO, it's okay for me.
I am betting in basketball games especially NBA.
What I try to do is be updated on every event that will happen. That includes injuries, virus-infected players, or whatever the reason for them not to play.
That way, you could still make an assessment of what might happen in-game before you put your bets.

It's part of the game even before but only with injuries, not viruses.
The worst-case scenario is when the news comes out last minute.

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Quote from: FlightyPouch on October 08, 2020, 09:17:50 AM

Quote from: Sadlife on October 08, 2020, 08:01:11 AM

While its certain that the pandemic has affected certain teams in sports, there are proven solutions that could work to boost a players morale to play despite the pandemic.
We can see, virtual audience is effective for players to gain energy especially with a digital world. Its more easy to connect with many people in social media platforms.

Well, it is a solution also for the league to gain people from watching the game. Another thing is that it is still different with a live audience or fans in an arena or a stadium. It is fun to see NBA games with homecourt advantages as they said it, it could also changes games and I think we will not be seeing a Miami Heat vs. LA Lakers finals if the series is not in the bubble.

But those actual games is better than we have right now.

You can hear the roaring crowd that would fuel the players and could show or give more great plays for their fans. They are still doing that but I see them more outside the bubble. The funny interactions of the players, their fans and some celebrities that are watching the game. Still, I am thankful that the games continued as it also help other people cope being in their houses for a long time.

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This is what I hate about sports betting about pandemic. The game was very unpredictable since we don't know who will play on the actual match because the team management didn't disclose the team roster night before the game. For me it's very risky even though the odds is below 1.5 since any moment, the key player might be out on the actual game.

As of now. I only bet on e-sports like dota2 and cs:go because they are not affected by the pandemic.

There's something bothering me. What if an e-sports team bet on the enemy all-in then decided to throw 1 game during qualifying match only. Do you think is that possible because I saw some games from a strong team that looks like they throw 1 game to an underdog team. Huh

You cant tell but its possible but for sure on the time they had been caught on throwing up the 1st game then that will really raise up lots of question specially into fans and viewers.

You can also tell if they did really throw in purpose via seeing those gameplays that's why its really hard to execute if the said team decide to give it into the enemy just because they do bet out on the other side?

I saw some news lately that Chinese was banned for match fixing in tournament. 3 of them caught throwing the game so it means that the rest of the team don't know what's going on and playing well. So it will be very hard for us to know whether they are really throwing the game. Check my link below for source.

https://afkgaming.com/articles/dota2/News/4346-match-fixing-na-team-disqualified-from-bts-pro-series-2

And also, I watch some streams from Dota2 professional players that they are playing sports betting during there streams. There's a chance that they might purposely lose the game especially if they are the strongest team while they have placed bet.

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Quote from: kryptqnick on October 08, 2020, 04:04:43 AM

What if the outcomes will change due to key players testing positive and weaker ones playing? Wouldn't it twist the games a lot, making them less predictable and less satisfying?

There's a thing called an adjustment. Not just because a certain superstar or good role player misses a certain game, it does mean that it's a weakness already on the affected team. The only thing I'm seeing a factor that creates a big change in every sports today is the environment.

Some players, even how professional they are, doesn't used to play on less crowd. They are like playing like a scrimmage so the thrill is not there.

Adjustment will surely be made by these players over time but for now, there's a difficulty.

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There are some people who look at odds when betting and right now, I think it's totally useless and I think even experts in this field can't give right odds on certain matches. The bad thing here is that for example in soccer and let's take FC Barcelona VS Sevilla for example, the fact that game was in Barca, there was higher chances for barca to win and historically, it was always very hard for Sevilla to get any points in matches when they had to play in Camp Nou but as for now, no fans, no motivation words in stadium, no old vibes... So, it doesn't matter where clubs play, whether at home or not, it makes no sense right now and because of this situation it's very hard for betters to make a right decision.

The environment may not be the same as when they have audience.
But I think the main factor that will affect their game is the players in the team.
If before the match, some of their tough players will be tested covid positive, they have no choice but not to let them go inside the field.
And that will have significant impact on the game results. And of course, sports bettors will be caught off guard by this situation.
So right now, for sportsbettors, particularly high rollers, maybe they need to lay low and just enjoy the game.
If not, just make small bets and not take it too seriously.

Having no audience isnt really that a viable excuse for players not to play into their fullest potential or maximum performance.When it comes to covid talks then we have seen on what happened
on NBA too where players had tested out positive on said virus and the entire season havent been resumed out until everyone been cured and look at on the current situation where
the entire season had resumed out and there are no problems having that sudden infected player as long they do follow the health protocol then everything should really be fine
but we cant really deny the fact that this current pandemic situation do really give out effects not only on sports industry but also in other industry as well.For bettors then
this is one of the hindrance.

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Quote from: shield132 on October 08, 2020, 04:48:14 PM

There are some people who look at odds when betting and right now, I think it's totally useless and I think even experts in this field can't give right odds on certain matches. The bad thing here is that for example in soccer and let's take FC Barcelona VS Sevilla for example, the fact that game was in Barca, there was higher chances for barca to win and historically, it was always very hard for Sevilla to get any points in matches when they had to play in Camp Nou but as for now, no fans, no motivation words in stadium, no old vibes... So, it doesn't matter where clubs play, whether at home or not, it makes no sense right now and because of this situation it's very hard for betters to make a right decision.

The environment may not be the same as when they have audience.
But I think the main factor that will affect their game is the players in the team.
If before the match, some of their tough players will be tested covid positive, they have no choice but not to let them go inside the field.
And that will have significant impact on the game results. And of course, sports bettors will be caught off guard by this situation.
So right now, for sportsbettors, particularly high rollers, maybe they need to lay low and just enjoy the game.
If not, just make small bets and not take it too seriously.

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Quote from: swogerino on October 08, 2020, 06:39:57 AM

I agree,physcological conditions can impact the game result a lot.Not only on the specific game you are talking about but if we compare the first weeks of the Premier League to the weeks in the previous years you will see a big difference in results,the main one being less and less draws.

I also noticed this...
The psychological condition of players in the field greatly affects the final outcome of football matches in this outbreak. One of the reasons the players' psychology has changed is the absence of cheers from the crowd, which is actually an encouragement for the players, now we can't tell which team will win even though they compete at home.

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There are some people who look at odds when betting and right now, I think it's totally useless and I think even experts in this field can't give right odds on certain matches. The bad thing here is that for example in soccer and let's take FC Barcelona VS Sevilla for example, the fact that game was in Barca, there was higher chances for barca to win and historically, it was always very hard for Sevilla to get any points in matches when they had to play in Camp Nou but as for now, no fans, no motivation words in stadium, no old vibes... So, it doesn't matter where clubs play, whether at home or not, it makes no sense right now and because of this situation it's very hard for betters to make a right decision.

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There is no choice for them, during this pandemic, all sports must also follow the health protocol. And whatever about the prediction, it can be out of the prediction because of that thing. The condition where several players are positive COVID-19 obligates them to follow the rules, cannot send them tot he sports, and cause loss. Here, it will really influence how the prediction is nothing probably because of some unexpected condition.

Quote from: kryptqnick on October 08, 2020, 04:04:43 AM

....What if the outcomes will change due to key players testing positive and weaker ones playing? Wouldn't it twist the games a lot, making them less predictable and less satisfying?
Do you think it's a big factor to take into account given the current situation?

For several people, it may be boring and not willing again to make such a bet. However, for others, it may be one of the challenging and curiosity of how they predict the sports bet during this pandemic. There will be some X factors that cause a team will be lost or even win in a game.

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Does the league doesn't have a bubble just like what they have done with NBA? The management should have seen this happening before they have decided to get back and start the matches again. The possibility of having a contact with other people as it's a contact sport. But how did the others became infected? Correct me, if they are not the same as the bubble of NBA. These infections are likely to happen again.

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Quote from: kryptqnick on October 08, 2020, 04:04:43 AM

The pandemic is affecting many areas, including sports. There've been discussions of how the home advantage doesn't fully come into play on empty stadiums, and on many events getting cancelled, resulting in people betting on stuff they would not normally be interested in. But yesterday happened something I did not think of before. It was football match France vs Ukraine. I've looked at predictions and France was expected to win, so the outcome of the match did not change. However, the score was predicted to be around 3-0, whereas Ukraine actually lost 7-1. One could think that things happen, and what does the pandemic have to do with an unfortunate game, but it has lots to do. According to Ukrainian Association of Football, due to traumas and positive COVID-19 tests more than a half of the current squad wasn't able to play yesterday. Three strong players tested positive on the eve of the match (with two more testing positive a few days ago), and Ukraine was left with only one goalkeeper.
This match went not as expected, but the outcome did not change, but this is just one case. What if the outcomes will change due to key players testing positive and weaker ones playing? Wouldn't it twist the games a lot, making them less predictable and less satisfying?
Do you think it's a big factor to take into account given the current situation?

Oh that's unfortunate! It means Ukraine could not play the match with full strength and lost the match by 6 goals! So no wonder that bettors are affected as well as the game result was far more worse than expected.

But that's how it is! COVID is a serious threat to the human race and like every other sectors, sports is affected as well. Similar thing is happening in IPL as well where a lot of players have tested positive and the clubs are just unable to make use of them! We all just have to accept the fate!

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Quote from: Sadlife on October 08, 2020, 08:01:11 AM

While its certain that the pandemic has affected certain teams in sports, there are proven solutions that could work to boost a players morale to play despite the pandemic.
We can see, virtual audience is effective for players to gain energy especially with a digital world. Its more easy to connect with many people in social media platforms.

its not that vitual audience can give boost to the players but if its an official game , playing without any audience virtually or not can make the game looks so bad . if there were no means of audience , players will not play on thier full potential because they think that the game is like simillar to a practice game . this can be wierd but there are also players that are shy and will play more effectively on less or no people at all . having a no audience because to covid can be the advantage that they are waiting for a long time

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Quote from: Sadlife on October 08, 2020, 08:01:11 AM

While its certain that the pandemic has affected certain teams in sports, there are proven solutions that could work to boost a players morale to play despite the pandemic.
We can see, virtual audience is effective for players to gain energy especially with a digital world. Its more easy to connect with many people in social media platforms.

Well, it is a solution also for the league to gain people from watching the game. Another thing is that it is still different with a live audience or fans in an arena or a stadium. It is fun to see NBA games with homecourt advantages as they said it, it could also changes games and I think we will not be seeing a Miami Heat vs. LA Lakers finals if the series is not in the bubble.

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Psychologically, COVID-19 brought a low morale to sporting events, particularly to players who are sometimes using the crowd's cheer in doing better and playing better. Physically, the bubble-dome setups being used in most sporting events actually increases the risks of localized transmission of the disease, further hampering the morale and increasing the anxiety of the players inside the said dome. This may or may not reflect on bets, though, until after one contracts the disease and players lose their shit inside the dome. Normally, sporting events would continue as usual and H2H stats will still count as a reliable source of data for bettors since nothing much has changed except for the lack of audience in the field and a somewhat low morale from players constantly thinking whether they'll catch the virus or not. After all though, they are still the same players, playing the same game for years, and it is already ingrained to them to play well and beat the opponent whatever it takes, so yeah.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on October 08, 2020, 06:59:38 AM

If strong players of a team get infected then obviously the result will be different. In short quarantine also cannot guarantee a players condition. Either ways this pandemic has ruined every sector. It is not only sports but sports related events like betting on sports are also getting affected. Imagine if France was facing the same issue then the match outcome could have been very different.

I agree with you. The effects of pandemic especially in sports can be obviously seen especially on how players react nowadays. Just think of this, if one player gets affected by the virus, then the whole team is compromised already which would result to an unfavorable situation and an imbalance in betting. Imagine, you are rooting for a team to win JUST to find out that their star player got infected with the virus. This could actually be a game changer in the history of betting due to this goddamn virus.

Quote from: Sadlife on October 08, 2020, 08:01:11 AM

While its certain that the pandemic has affected certain teams in sports, there are proven solutions that could work to boost a players morale to play despite the pandemic.
We can see, virtual audience is effective for players to gain energy especially with a digital world. Its more easy to connect with many people in social media platforms.

The virtual audience is indeed, a solution in order to boost morale of the team. But when you think of a home-court advantage, it speaks of crowds cheering the team and giving all the cheers for them. Even with the virtual fans all over the world, nothing can literally beat the spirit of a physical crowd cheering in a competition.

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Quote from: kryptqnick on October 08, 2020, 04:04:43 AM

but this is just one case. What if the outcomes will change due to key players testing positive and weaker ones playing? Wouldn't it twist the games a lot, making them less predictable and less satisfying?
Do you think it's a big factor to take into account given the current situation?

Yes of course it will have an impact testing positive in CoVid will have an impact on one's team even if it's not the star player, the star player is out of the game and the game will be very much different because plays that revolves around the star players will be delegated to weaker players and the play will not materialized at all making the team in big disadvantage.

The no audiences stadiums already made an impact on teams in various sports events, we really are in a different scenario.

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If there are many more players positive Covid-19, there is no other way to cancel all of the sports because that can have riskier for each player. The Covid-19 is not going to end, and many people are worried about the infection. It's not just about the strong team or weak team, but it's about the whole team that will match because we don't know who will get the infection later. But we need to wait for more to see what will happen, and we hope that all players in all sports will be okay.

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This can really be one of the dilemmas of having a match during a pandemic because even players armor exempted from possibly getting a virus. As you have said, the Ukraine team experiences problems prior to the match that's why they probably had a hard time coping up while practicing. I guess it's really best for the players if they have upcoming events, to take care of their health, and be more cautious to avoid problems like this, especially there's still a pandemic.

This pandemic is really affecting us in various ways, even sports betting.

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Its a huge factor, forget about the trauma, just the fact that they had HALF of their main team out of the play for that match is enough for them to go down like that. If we add the trauma? Then hell, I wouldn't be surprised even if the match was cancelled, quite surprised it actually pulled through.

Quote from: kryptqnick on October 08, 2020, 04:04:43 AM

This match went not as expected, but the outcome did not change, but this is just one case. What if the outcomes will change due to key players testing positive and weaker ones playing? Wouldn't it twist the games a lot, making them less predictable and less satisfying?

Wouldn't it actually be more predictable, less satisfying? Mostly because you're watching a game with their main team vs a team with their main players being subbed out. I'm not underestimating the subs or anything, but the fact that they aren't the main players are more than enough of a testament that they wouldn't be able to hold that long against the main team of a famous team. The outcome didn't change, yes, but the end result as you said was quite different from expected, which means a lot imo.

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