A Christian's response to the Evil found in the Bible

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Quote from: mayflor2 on May 10, 2015, 12:39:24 AM

It just seems to me that far more bad things come from religion than good. Some of the worst atrocities in human history, were committed in the name of religion.

Well bad people is bad, doesnt matter what their religion is, doesnt matter if he is christian, atheist or whatever. It doesnt matter that he claims is in name of religion, he is a bad person. Why do you think hitler did what he did? Oh im an atheist therefore im going to kill all the jews hueheuehu

Good people do good things.
Bad people do bad things.
Religion can make good people do bad things.

I am reading this again and I love this so much, very, very much.

On my behalf I can say the following: I have different attitude to religion, God and church each on its own. People have built churches, have looked for protection there during sieges and wars, their faith made them build beautiful things that should be kept as signs of what a human being can create. Religion is a common political instrument. No less no more. We have multiple examples when religions caused horrible things, and we are still experiencing them nowadays. God is...I dunno what it is. These three are absolutely different institutions. They are connected only to some extend.

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I love this thread so much. Following and reading anxiously.

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Knowledge could but approximate existence.

Quote from: Dale Wilkerson, “Friedrich Nietzsche (1844—1900),” Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy

Nietzsche’s philosophy contemplates the meaning of values and their significance to human existence. Given that no absolute values exist, in Nietzsche’s worldview, the evolution of values on earth must be measured by some other means. How then shall they be understood? The existence of a value presupposes a value-positing perspective, and values are created by human beings (and perhaps other value-positing agents) as aids for survival and growth. Because values are important for the well being of the human animal, because belief in them is essential to our existence, we oftentimes prefer to forget that values are our own creations and to live through them as if they were absolute. For these reasons, social institutions enforcing adherence to inherited values are permitted to create self-serving economies of power, so long as individuals living through them are thereby made more secure and their possibilities for life enhanced. Nevertheless, from time to time the values we inherit are deemed no longer suitable and the continued enforcement of them no longer stands in the service of life. To maintain allegiance to such values, even when they no longer seem practicable, turns what once served the advantage to individuals to a disadvantage, and what was once the prudent deployment of values into a life denying abuse of power. When this happens the human being must reactivate its creative, value-positing capacities and construct new values.

Creation does not tell God what is and is not either ethical, moral, or both: God determines this, as a rule, for the totality thereof. (Alternatively, “morality” is as innate an element of “the universe” [i.e., “physicality” {Eisenstein}] as “God” so is one.)

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Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest - Diderot

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Quote from: Godyr on May 21, 2015, 03:25:52 AM

Quote from: mayflor2 on May 10, 2015, 12:39:24 AM

It just seems to me that far more bad things come from religion than good. Some of the worst atrocities in human history, were committed in the name of religion.

Well bad people is bad, doesnt matter what their religion is, doesnt matter if he is christian, atheist or whatever. It doesnt matter that he claims is in name of religion, he is a bad person. Why do you think hitler did what he did? Oh im an atheist therefore im going to kill all the jews hueheuehu

Good people do good things.
Bad people do bad things.
Religion can make good people do bad things.

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Quote from: mayflor2 on May 10, 2015, 12:39:24 AM

It just seems to me that far more bad things come from religion than good. Some of the worst atrocities in human history, were committed in the name of religion.

Well bad people is bad, doesnt matter what their religion is, doesnt matter if he is christian, atheist or whatever. It doesnt matter that he claims is in name of religion, he is a bad person. Why do you think hitler did what he did? Oh im an atheist therefore im going to kill all the jews hueheuehu

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Quote from: BADecker on May 20, 2015, 04:41:48 PM

And people still can't get it through their thick skulls that they are so ignorant and weak that they virtually know nothing.

I agree. The solution is to steer people away from the evil temptation of the church/religion and all that nonsense, so there is less of these people.
As for the unfortunate weak ones that have already succumbed, all we can do is pity them, for their eyes, ears and minds are now closed, with slim chance of freedom again.

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It is completely understandable to me that, in this modern day and age, that the tad bit of knowledge that we have, puffs people's egos up so that they think that they know enough to do it themselves. Then they die, without even being able to make themselves live for 200 years, and they know nothing afterward.

Now, it wouldn't be so bad if this had only been happening a generation or two, but it has been happening for thousands of years. And people still can't get it through their thick skulls that they are so ignorant and weak that they virtually know nothing.

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It is mind-boggling to me that in this day and age with all of the access to knowledge one has that people still buy-into this stuff. To just accept what you were told as a kid and hold onto that as an adult just blows me away - you'd look at someone crazy if they told you that at age 30 or 40 they were waiting on Santa to come down their chimney in December. But the church has instilled this fear of eternal damnation in people and sadly, most people are followers and that thought that they just might go to "Hell" if they don't believe is burned in their minds. And this is why we are at where we are at with the world today and with politics it is the same, people buy whatever they are told and don't even question it, no matter how outlandish it is and those who rule know this and exploit it to the fullest.

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Quote from: mayflor2 on May 10, 2015, 09:08:00 AM

Quote from: Lauda on May 10, 2015, 01:41:14 AM

Quote from: mayflor2 on May 10, 2015, 12:39:24 AM

It just seems to me that far more bad things come from religion than good. Some of the worst atrocities in human history, were committed in the name of religion.

Well 'seems' might actually be the wrong word here. Obviously proper research needs to be done by someone who is highly interested in the matter.
Some listed here could also count: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism

There is a lot of things wrong,; take a look:

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On the way to the promised land, God had Moses wage a war campaign against the Midian. Moses was told to put every Midianite to death, plunder anything of value, set fire to their towns where they lived and all their encampments. Moses gave the orders to his troops (the sons of Israel) and went on a further campaign. On the return of his troops Moses was enraged with the commanders of the army. He said, “Why have you spared the life of all the women and children? You are to kill all the children and kill all the women who have slept with a man. The lord says spare the lives only of the young girls who have not slept with a man, and take them for yourselves, so that we may multiply into a great nation.” Yes, friends, this is biblical infinite mercy and compassion for you. I particularly like the way that Moses got upset with them for sparing women and male children, but allowed the young girls to be kept for later raping.

I have had some Christians proclaim that these Midianite girls were not taken for raping but marriage. How ridiculous! If you continue further in the scripture you will find that marriage to a Midianite was a crime against God. A man named Zimri, broke the law and married a Midianite woman this angered God so he sent a plague among the Hebrews. Fortunately, a zealous son of Israel speared Zimri right through the genitals, and the plague went away. So now I ask you, if you could not marry a Midianite, just what were these “virgin woman who were to help multiply” good for?

True, here's a list for those interested. And let's just remember, this is just a list of Christian atrocities. If we took all religions and complied a list, we would need a library to store it.

One library wouldn't be nearly as big enough. Make that 100.

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Quote from: Lauda on May 10, 2015, 01:41:14 AM

Quote from: mayflor2 on May 10, 2015, 12:39:24 AM

It just seems to me that far more bad things come from religion than good. Some of the worst atrocities in human history, were committed in the name of religion.

Well 'seems' might actually be the wrong word here. Obviously proper research needs to be done by someone who is highly interested in the matter.
Some listed here could also count: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism

There is a lot of things wrong,; take a look:

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On the way to the promised land, God had Moses wage a war campaign against the Midian. Moses was told to put every Midianite to death, plunder anything of value, set fire to their towns where they lived and all their encampments. Moses gave the orders to his troops (the sons of Israel) and went on a further campaign. On the return of his troops Moses was enraged with the commanders of the army. He said, “Why have you spared the life of all the women and children? You are to kill all the children and kill all the women who have slept with a man. The lord says spare the lives only of the young girls who have not slept with a man, and take them for yourselves, so that we may multiply into a great nation.” Yes, friends, this is biblical infinite mercy and compassion for you. I particularly like the way that Moses got upset with them for sparing women and male children, but allowed the young girls to be kept for later raping.

I have had some Christians proclaim that these Midianite girls were not taken for raping but marriage. How ridiculous! If you continue further in the scripture you will find that marriage to a Midianite was a crime against God. A man named Zimri, broke the law and married a Midianite woman this angered God so he sent a plague among the Hebrews. Fortunately, a zealous son of Israel speared Zimri right through the genitals, and the plague went away. So now I ask you, if you could not marry a Midianite, just what were these “virgin woman who were to help multiply” good for?

True, here's a list for those interested. And let's just remember, this is just a list of Christian atrocities. If we took all religions and complied a list, we would need a library to store it.

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Quote from: mayflor2 on May 10, 2015, 12:39:24 AM

It just seems to me that far more bad things come from religion than good. Some of the worst atrocities in human history, were committed in the name of religion.

Well 'seems' might actually be the wrong word here. Obviously proper research needs to be done by someone who is highly interested in the matter.
Some listed here could also count: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism

There is a lot of things wrong,; take a look:

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On the way to the promised land, God had Moses wage a war campaign against the Midian. Moses was told to put every Midianite to death, plunder anything of value, set fire to their towns where they lived and all their encampments. Moses gave the orders to his troops (the sons of Israel) and went on a further campaign. On the return of his troops Moses was enraged with the commanders of the army. He said, “Why have you spared the life of all the women and children? You are to kill all the children and kill all the women who have slept with a man. The lord says spare the lives only of the young girls who have not slept with a man, and take them for yourselves, so that we may multiply into a great nation.” Yes, friends, this is biblical infinite mercy and compassion for you. I particularly like the way that Moses got upset with them for sparing women and male children, but allowed the young girls to be kept for later raping.

I have had some Christians proclaim that these Midianite girls were not taken for raping but marriage. How ridiculous! If you continue further in the scripture you will find that marriage to a Midianite was a crime against God. A man named Zimri, broke the law and married a Midianite woman this angered God so he sent a plague among the Hebrews. Fortunately, a zealous son of Israel speared Zimri right through the genitals, and the plague went away. So now I ask you, if you could not marry a Midianite, just what were these “virgin woman who were to help multiply” good for?

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It just seems to me that far more bad things come from religion than good. Some of the worst atrocities in human history, were committed in the name of religion.

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Quote from: Vod on May 08, 2015, 06:41:10 PM

I was also brainwashed as a catholic when I was younger. That is the only way religion can spread - by parents forcing their innocent children to be brainwashed. Undecided

When I was 11 or 12, I started sneaking out of the house early Sunday morning, and coming back in the afternoon, just so that my brainwashed parents wouldn't force me to church. They then put a lock on the door, so I would go out my bedroom window. When they put a lock on my window, I just wouldn't come home Saturday afternoon and stay all night at a friend's place. They eventually decided I didn't have to go if I didn't want to.

People like BADecker and millions of others didn't have the willpower, drive and common sense that I had. I'll always be proud of that.

Indeed, this is essentially the main way that it is spreading. Your parents get you baptized while you're still a baby. One has no choice at that time.
Exactly. I've started going away while I was a teenager as well. Even if they'd force me I would just be sitting there bored.
Sometimes if you take notice of what the priest is talking about, you would see just what kind of nonsense he's spreading.

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Quote from: Lauda on May 08, 2015, 09:39:11 AM

In regards to this subject we certainly are, friend. This is coming from a person who was actually catholic due to parents forcing me into such a religion while I was still young.

I was also brainwashed as a catholic when I was younger. That is the only way religion can spread - by parents forcing their innocent children to be brainwashed. Undecided

When I was 11 or 12, I started sneaking out of the house early Sunday morning, and coming back in the afternoon, just so that my brainwashed parents wouldn't force me to church. They then put a lock on the door, so I would go out my bedroom window. When they put a lock on my window, I just wouldn't come home Saturday afternoon and stay all night at a friend's place. They eventually decided I didn't have to go if I didn't want to.

People like BADecker and millions of others didn't have the willpower, drive and common sense that I had. I'll always be proud of that.

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Quote from: Vod on May 08, 2015, 06:06:20 AM

You and I are in agreement my friend. Wink

We would be exploring the stars by now if some idiot hadn't decided to invent the christian god and give us the dark ages.

In regards to this subject we certainly are, friend. This is coming from a person who was actually catholic due to parents forcing me into such a religion while I was still young.
You can easily persuade a kid to follow your beliefs. After reaching a certain point in my lie I've started seeing all the faults in the whole "religion plot", and stuff has changed.

There is also this:

If you factor in all the things that are considered satanic, most of us will rot in hell.

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The problem is frankly, most people are ignorant/dumb.

The vast majority of christians have not read the bible completely as their main reference points are the ten commandments and what jesus said(Which is what's most used in the media to likely distract attention away from what's really in the bible). However, the bible is mostly comprised of countless other laws and sayings by god in the bible told to us by the prophets, promoting; rape, murder, pedophilic acts, and more. In fact, according to statistics done on the murder rate done in the bible, God has killed and harmed more innocent people than Satan himself; God killed over 2million, Satan killed just 10. If this quote doesn't show just how twisted "God" is, then I don't know what does:

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" Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children. (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT)"
" They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)"

The above text was said by "God" the father, and he promotes the killing of little children, babies, anyone who isn't of the Jewish faith(Doesn't seek the lord), regards women as being subserviant to men, promotes slavery, promotes rape and pedophillic acts, and much more. That is what I call evil and that is why for a large part of American history, slavery was legal and women had no political rights, as the bible allows for slavery and treats women as inferior to men.

I compare christians and other followers of the abrahamic religions, to Fox news. They only show you want they want you to see, but if you dig deeper, there's a whole lot fo nasty information waiting for you.

http://www.evilbible.com/Murder.htm
http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/2007/01/how-many-has-god-killed-complete-list.html
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/says_about/

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Quote from: Lauda on May 08, 2015, 05:58:30 AM

There's many examples around us to why such "fairy tales" are irrational.
However I do not mind religions that focus on the spirit and meditating. At least they don't believe in books that contain magical stories. Cheesy

You and I are in agreement my friend. Wink

We would be exploring the stars by now if some idiot hadn't decided to invent the christian god and give us the dark ages.

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Quote from: Vod on May 08, 2015, 05:06:27 AM

I don't understand how these people can stay so brainwashed when the evidence of evolution is all around them.

Want an example? Look at dogs! HUMANS have created/evolved almost 350 breeds of dogs in the last 200 years alone!

No imaginary creator was needed.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/canine-corner/201305/how-many-breeds-dogs-are-there-in-the-world

BADecker believing a 600 year old man collected 17,000,000 animals (2 dogs) onto a ship for 400 days with no food or water is so outrageous that you have to seriously question his sanity.

That's a good question. I'm not sure what to say. Maybe most people in the world need faith, something to believe in, something that explains their existence (not in a complicated way such as evolution)?
There are many examples around us to why such "fairy tales" are irrational.
However I do not mind religions that focus on the spirit and meditating. At least they don't believe in books that contain magical stories. Cheesy

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I don't understand how these people can stay so brainwashed when the evidence of evolution is all around them.

Want an example? Look at dogs! HUMANS have created/evolved almost 350 breeds of dogs in the last 200 years alone!

No imaginary creator was needed.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/canine-corner/201305/how-many-breeds-dogs-are-there-in-the-world

BADecker believing a 600 year old man collected 17,000,000 animals (2 dogs) onto a ship for 400 days with no food or water is so outrageous that you have to seriously question his sanity.

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