A great lesser known wallet! [BlueWallet]

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Quote from: LoyceV on October 30, 2019, 01:44:22 PM

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I tried installing Bluewallet on a completely different Android device, with a different Android version, and that one gets stuck on a white screen too! I don't even get to the part where it asks to create a wallet.
I have no experience installing older versions, and I try not to install anything outside the Play Store.

After contacting a dev on Telegram, it turns out it's a known bug. They hadn't been able to reproduce it yet, but after I mentioned my Android version they did. So I expect and hope it to be fixed in the next release.

~~Quoting myself again for an update: it's fixed! No more white screen on Bluewallet 4.2, and my balance still shows.~~
Update: this was the version I installed from Bluewallet's Telegram. After installing the latest version from the Play store, it doesn't work again.
Another update: it works again.

I also found out about a backup-option for (custodial) LN funds. To get there, click the menu once you're inside a LN-wallet. I haven't tested it, but this should help restore the wallet on a different device if something fails.

HCP

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Haven't had too many issues with Bluewallet... even got a few sats in the lightning wallet to play around with... if anyone wants to "test" Lightning... feel free to hit me up for some "pico cents" Tongue

I'm on Android 9 (Nokia 7 Plus), and never noticed any real issues with the app itself, so I assume it was due to the older Android version causing the issue?

LoyceV

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Quote from: LoyceV on October 20, 2019, 12:49:18 PM

I tried installing Bluewallet on a completely different Android device, with a different Android version, and that one gets stuck on a white screen too! I don't even get to the part where it asks to create a wallet.
I have no experience installing older versions, and I try not to install anything outside the Play Store.

After contacting a dev on Telegram, it turns out it's a known bug. They hadn't been able to reproduce it yet, but after I mentioned my Android version they did. So I expect and hope it to be fixed in the next release.

Quote from: DaveF on October 20, 2019, 01:39:40 PM

Because of this:
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I would keep away from bluewallet for a bit.
If the OP really did nothing "wrong" but bluewallet did then it's a big flag for me.

I saw the topic, and can't help but think it's just plain dumb to put close to 6 BTC in a phone wallet. I haven't looked for their conditions, but usually software has a standard disclaimer saying it's delivered "as is" with "without warranty". I don't think this is much different in other wallets if something goes wrong.

I'm only using BlueWallet for small amounts anyway, and wouldn't recommend to use any hot wallet for storing large amounts.

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Because of this:

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Quote from: leventturksoy on October 12, 2019, 11:13:06 PM

The address is a seg-wit address created with an uncompressed private key. This means that the outgoing transaction is considered "non-standard".

no, if the address was indeed created using an uncompressed public key then it is considered invalid and your funds are irretrievable.

Maybe a Bitcoin Core dev can adjust some code so it can be retrievable?

bitcoin isn't centralized to be controlled by bitcoin core devs so that they could adjust some code and change consensus rules with a snap of a finger!
what makes your output unspendable is consensus rules that dictate SegWit outputs must all use compressed public keys. in order to change that you have to create a fork and get the majority of the network to accept that fork.

i am curious, how did you create this address in first place?

Old version of Bluewallet for iOS (Android also had the bug) it let me create it without error-catching it.

They refuse to own up to their mistakes or even acknowledge it.

I would keep away from bluewallet for a bit.
If the OP really did nothing "wrong" but bluewallet did then it's a big flag for me.
As with everything YMMV

-Dave

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Quote from: TryNinja on October 20, 2019, 11:15:58 AM

Loyce, is your phone rooted? We may be able to try some stuff if it is.

It's not rooted.

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Or if you have another phone, you can try installing an older version of the app, then update it, install the old version again and see if it overrides the app data (such as wallet and channel state).

I tried installing Bluewallet on a completely different Android device, with a different Android version, and that one gets stuck on a white screen too! I don't even get to the part where it asks to create a wallet.
I have no experience installing older versions, and I try not to install anything outside the Play Store.

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Loyce, is your phone rooted? We may be able to try some stuff if it is.

Or if you have another phone, you can try installing an older version of the app, then update it, install the old version again and see if it overrides the app data (such as wallet and channel state).

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Quote from: Lucius on July 26, 2019, 09:59:10 AM

HCP, after you experiment with this wallet, can you compare it with Electrum Android?

You know, I was never crazy about Electrum for Android and I couldn't put my finger on exactly why. It functioned fine but just wasn't appealing to me. Mycelium I've always liked, and if this Bluewallet is anything like it I shall have to check it out. Only problem is I currently don't have a smartphone to download the app on, so I'm going to have to write the name down in my little crypto notebook that I keep for just such things.

Quote from: LoyceV on October 18, 2019, 10:32:01 AM

I'm bumping this for a question: 2 days ago, Google Play informed me about an update.
Since then, Bluewallet doesn't work anymore. I see the logo, followed by a white screen.

Then again, maybe I won't check it out (lol). Hopefully that's just a glitch. Nah, when I get another Android I'm going to see about downloading the wallet. I don't use bitcoin too much from phones, but there are times when I love to check out how much btc I own. I'm sure some of you know what I'm talking about.

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Quote from: joniboini on October 18, 2019, 09:35:14 PM

Have you tried clearing the app cache?

I can't find it from just this app, but I think I've cleared all cache on the tablet.

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It sounds like the usual play update that somehow messed up the app data. You might want to back-up the app data with Swift Backup or something similar, uninstall it and then reinstall an older version that works fine for your device if you still want to use it. But well, I can't guarantee anything.

I'll just wait and see if the next update works again, I've never installed older versions of any app.
I tried to start it as a different user on the same device, and without any settings or data it gives the same white screen when it starts.

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What Android version btw?

8.1.0

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Quote from: LoyceV on October 18, 2019, 10:32:01 AM

I'm bumping this for a question: 2 days ago, Google Play informed me about an update.
Since then, Bluewallet doesn't work anymore. I see the logo, followed by a white screen. I have my backup seed, but that's for the Bitcoin addresses. I have only a smalla mount of Bitcoin Lightning in the (custodial) wallet, but I can't find if that's somehow linked to my wallet seed.

Have you tried clearing the app cache? It sounds like the usual play update that somehow messed up the app data. You might want to back-up the app data with Swift Backup or something similar, uninstall it and then reinstall an older version that works fine for your device if you still want to use it. But well, I can't guarantee anything.

What Android version btw?

LoyceV

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I'm bumping this for a question: 2 days ago, Google Play informed me about an update.
Since then, Bluewallet doesn't work anymore. I see the logo, followed by a white screen. I have my backup seed, but that's for the Bitcoin addresses. I have only a smalla mount of Bitcoin Lightning in the (custodial) wallet, but I can't find if that's somehow linked to my wallet seed.

That leaves me 2 questions:
1. Am I the only one with this problem?
2. Do I dare to uninstall and reinstall the app?

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Quote from: PrimeNumber7 on August 16, 2019, 02:17:10 AM

Quote from: Decimation on July 24, 2019, 01:46:05 PM

Full access to private keys

This is only true for their "on chain" wallet and not their LN wallet, both of which are available within the app. The Blue Wallet LN wallet is custodial, meaning the operator of Blue Wallet has control and custody of the coin within an open LN channel. Blue Wallet advertises their LN wallet to be intended for only small amounts of coin.

While this is indeed true, BlueWallet Lightning wallet is custodial by default, you can connect it to your own node using LndHub: https://github.com/BlueWallet/LndHub

This would make it completely non-custodial and an overall really great wallet for both on-chain and Lightning daily use.

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Quote from: pooya87 on July 24, 2019, 11:47:01 PM

it also supports lightning network, although it seems to be a custodial wallet which is a bit strange. i have to look into it more.

I actually use it because it's custodial. That makes using the Lightning Network much easier than opening your own channel, and protects me from (high) on-chain channel closing fees. For large amounts I wouldn't recommend it, but for small amounts I don't mind trusting Bluewallet with my Lightning Satoshis.

Things I've noticed while using this wallet:
I like that I can easily create a new wallet inside Bluewallet. I haven't used that for serious things, but I can think of a few uses to separate funds.

Quote from: ncoelho on August 06, 2019, 03:58:57 AM

I'm Nuno from bluewallet, this feedback is really great and unexpected, glad to see the wallet is useful. Happy to answer any questions or doubts.

Welcome

Would you mind updating your own thread with the latest information? I think this wallet deserves a stronger presence on Bitcointalk

Quote from: PrimeNumber7 on August 16, 2019, 02:17:10 AM

The Blue Wallet LN wallet is custodial, meaning the operator of Blue Wallet has control and custody of the coin within an open LN channel. Blue Wallet advertises their LN wallet to be intended for only small amounts of coin.

It has pros and cons. Pros: easier and less fees. Cons: they can run away with your money. For large amounts, funding your own channel might give lower overall fees (although I'm not sure about this).

Quote from: LoyceV on June 30, 2019, 04:24:10 AM

I've funded BlueWallet, it's now waiting for confirmation. It has an annoying bug on Android: when entering the BTC amount, the keyboard doesn't show a decimal dot. I had to copy/paste the amount to be able to send less than 1 Bitcoin.

This is fixed in the latest version.

I also noticed it doesn't instantly update it's balance. That's not really a big problem, but one of the great features of LN is the ability to quickly make many small transactions. It would be nice if the balance can keep up with this.

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Quote from: Decimation on July 24, 2019, 01:46:05 PM

Full access to private keys

This is only true for their "on chain" wallet and not their LN wallet, both of which are available within the app. The Blue Wallet LN wallet is custodial, meaning the operator of Blue Wallet has control and custody of the coin within an open LN channel. Blue Wallet advertises their LN wallet to be intended for only small amounts of coin.

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Hi there,

I'm Nuno from bluewallet, this feedback is really great and unexpected, glad to see the wallet is useful. Happy to answer any questions or doubts.

v4.2.0 just hit the app stores, now with the ability to connect yo your own full node, I think it is the first iOS wallet that allows that?! At least one of the few.
https://medium.com/bluewallet/bluewallet-4-2-0-d31c7c4487fa

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Quote from: bob123 on July 30, 2019, 04:37:32 AM

Quote from: pooya87 on July 30, 2019, 04:26:35 AM

since this is a "phone wallet" and i don't know of any hardware wallet that you could connect to your phone most of all Trezor, i am going to say no it does not support it.

Mycelium, for example, supports the Trezor, KeepKey and Ledger to be used.

IMO a (really) good wallet should support hardware wallets, even though it might not be necessary because most people probably store the majority of their coins on the hardware wallet at home, while only carrying a small (pocket money) amount with them (on a mobile wallet).

my thought were since phones don't have a USB port you can't use hardware wallets with them unless a special one is created to connect to the Micro-USB port of smart phones.
... i wasn't thinking of OTG cables Tongue

you were correct about the following, i still find it weird that this feature exists in Mycelium, i wonder if it was added by popular demand.

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What pooya87 (most probably) meant is that you shouldn't carry your hardware wallet with you all the time (to use it with your mobile).

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Quote from: Decimation on July 24, 2019, 01:46:05 PM

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Bluewallet has full transparency since it's open-source...

Aside from the amazing support for importing wallets, this is perhaps the best feature of this mobile wallet.

Since you said you made a research as to the best available iOS wallet, have you encountered other wallets that are also open-sourced? When I did my little research, every wallet that is available to iPhone that I encountered was closed-sourced.

Thanks, OP!

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Quote from: GreatArkansas on July 30, 2019, 06:05:50 AM

Thanks for the answer. I'm a little bit confused. You mean, I should not use my phone to connect my hardware wallet?
Like for example, I want to generate a new address on my hardware wallet, I should not use my phone to do it?

No, that's not a problem.

What pooya87 (most probably) meant is that you shouldn't carry your hardware wallet with you all the time (to use it with your mobile).

A hardware wallet is used for long term and secure storage. Your mobile wallet should be used for every-day spendings.

However, if you have 2 hw's you can of course use one for your long term storage (securely stored at home) and the second one for your every-day spendings. That's definitely more secure than just using a mobile wallet.

Creating new receiving addresses on your mobile is not a problem at all. You don't even need to connect your HW to do that.
Connecting your mobile with your HW itself is not a problem either.

You just shouldn't carry all of your funds (a.k.a. the private keys) with you all the time.

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Quote from: pooya87 on July 30, 2019, 04:26:35 AM

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and it should not do that, you should use phone wallets for carry around money not to connect your major funds in cold storage to it.

Thanks for the answer. I'm a little bit confused. You mean, I should not use my phone to connect my hardware wallet?
Like for example, I want to generate a new address on my hardware wallet, I should not use my phone to do it?

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Quote from: pooya87 on July 30, 2019, 04:26:35 AM

since this is a "phone wallet" and i don't know of any hardware wallet that you could connect to your phone most of all Trezor, i am going to say no it does not support it.

Mycelium, for example, supports the Trezor, KeepKey and Ledger to be used.

IMO a (really) good wallet should support hardware wallets, even though it might not be necessary because most people probably store the majority of their coins on the hardware wallet at home, while only carrying a small (pocket money) amount with them (on a mobile wallet).

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Quote from: GreatArkansas on July 30, 2019, 03:26:22 AM

Does BlueWallet also support some hardware wallets? Just like Trezor Wallet where you can operate your hardware wallet with another bitcoin wallet without entering your private keys anymore to another bitcoin wallet.
Since I already tried Trezor wallet with Mycelium only, the user-interface of Blue Wallet seems much better to compare to Mycelium.

since this is a "phone wallet" and i don't know of any hardware wallet that you could connect to your phone most of all Trezor, i am going to say no it does not support it.
and it should not do that, you should use phone wallets for carry around money not to connect your major funds in cold storage to it.

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