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Topic: A guide for mining efficiently on P2Pool, includes FUD repellent and FAQ - page 11. (Read 174901 times)

hero member
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I always find it weird how my P2Pool hashrate keeps fluctuating even in idle, sometimes reaching as high as 280Mh/s or dropping as low as 110Mh/s. I have my miner set up as recommended for my card. Is there anything I can do about it or is this not the miner/setup's fault and rather p2pool's?

This is a question for the main P2Pool thread.
full member
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Do you like fire? I'm full of it.
I always find it weird how my P2Pool hashrate keeps fluctuating even in idle, sometimes reaching as high as 280Mh/s or dropping as low as 110Mh/s. I have my miner set up as recommended for my card. Is there anything I can do about it or is this not the miner/setup's fault and rather p2pool's?
hero member
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With bfgminer: does --dyn-gpuinterval override --intensity? Is dyngpu the equivalent of saying "i want my desktop to have no less than 1000/ frames per second"? I set the option to the recommended 50 and it felt like everything onscreen was lagging. Intuitively I put it at 20fps and figured out it may be that. So then I changed the interval to 16(which is the rounded result for 60fps) and everything went back to normal. How does this impact my mining though?

The lower dyn-gpuinterval is, the more often your system must submit work to the GPU. There is a performance penalty but it depends on your actual setup (GPU performance, CPU speed, system load, OS, ...), you'll have to let it run for a while undisturbed and check the hashrate averages to see at which point it becomes noticeable for you.
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Do you like fire? I'm full of it.
With bfgminer: does --dyn-gpuinterval override --intensity? Is dyngpu the equivalent of saying "i want my desktop to have no less than 1000/ frames per second"? I set the option to the recommended 50 and it felt like everything onscreen was lagging. Intuitively I put it at 20fps and figured out it may be that. So then I changed the interval to 16(which is the rounded result for 60fps) and everything went back to normal. How does this impact my mining though?
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Fixed, the forum doesn't like quotes around an URL?!
legendary
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hero member
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You should probably ask questions about errors in log in the P2Pool thread
legendary
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no, no litecoin here, how can i run the 3.1 without the error, saying that i have a old version?
zvs
legendary
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https://web.archive.org/web/*/nogleg.com
hopefully, i'm fine without tweaking anything, 121 efficiency here, but it still say orphaned 0, is this a problem?
another problem is that the last version of p2pool don't work for me, it say:"error bitcoin version to old, upgrade to 0.5 or newer!", but i have already 0.8.1 version...

btw, i'm mining the same amount of BTC guild for now, i hope i can make more

litecoin?  it said the same thing to me when i spent some time with the litecoin p2pool.  i just removed the thing about upgrading from the source
legendary
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hopefully, i'm fine without tweaking anything, 121 efficiency here, but it still say orphaned 0, is this a problem?
another problem is that the last version of p2pool don't work for me, it say:"error bitcoin version to old, upgrade to 0.5 or newer!", but i have already 0.8.1 version...

btw, i'm mining the same amount of BTC guild for now, i hope i can make more
hero member
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Updated guide: --failover-only recommended.
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p2pool is effectively a different block chain and cgminer stores a database of blocks as they come out so it would confuse it to run p2pool and regular btc mining. Provided p2pool is the primary pool, and you set failover-only it still should be okay.

It seems it works fine without failover-only and the latest cgminer versions on my setup: as long as the P2Pool node is fast enough I guess you don't need failover-only (it may be a worthwhile precaution to add it though).
-ck
legendary
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Ruu \o/
p2pool is effectively a different block chain and cgminer stores a database of blocks as they come out so it would confuse it to run p2pool and regular btc mining. Provided p2pool is the primary pool, and you set failover-only it still should be okay.
legendary
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Great! I think I'm going to try p2pool this weekend and keep Eligius as my backup.

Interesting that you mentioned merged mining because I just asked this question on StackExchange today too:
http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/9999/merged-mining-disadvantages

Note: if you use cgminer, and probably bfgminer, you don't want to mix p2pool and "conventional" pools.  They don't mix well.

M

They do. I've seen my rigs fallback to backup pools without problems when I stopped my p2pool node on numerous occasions.

I'm just going by what the cgminer authors have said.  cgminer goes into different logic for p2pool than it does for conventional pools.  I believe the words were "do so at your own risk".

M
hero member
Activity: 896
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Great! I think I'm going to try p2pool this weekend and keep Eligius as my backup.

Interesting that you mentioned merged mining because I just asked this question on StackExchange today too:
http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/9999/merged-mining-disadvantages

Note: if you use cgminer, and probably bfgminer, you don't want to mix p2pool and "conventional" pools.  They don't mix well.

M

They do. I've seen my rigs fallback to backup pools without problems when I stopped my p2pool node on numerous occasions.
newbie
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hmmm, can you elaborate? if my p2pool process falls over what will behave differently with my backup server? I know that I lowered my queue and thread count slightly, but inefficient hashing is better than downtime, right? TIA.
legendary
Activity: 1540
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Great! I think I'm going to try p2pool this weekend and keep Eligius as my backup.

Interesting that you mentioned merged mining because I just asked this question on StackExchange today too:
http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/9999/merged-mining-disadvantages

Note: if you use cgminer, and probably bfgminer, you don't want to mix p2pool and "conventional" pools.  They don't mix well.

M
newbie
Activity: 37
Merit: 0
Great! I think I'm going to try p2pool this weekend and keep Eligius as my backup.

Interesting that you mentioned merged mining because I just asked this question on StackExchange today too:
http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/9999/merged-mining-disadvantages
hero member
Activity: 896
Merit: 1000
This a great guide - thanks!

I have a couple of questions.

This thread, and others, have said:
The mathematical fact still remains that a well tuned p2pool will out pay any other pool. In fact, it will approach solo mining.

I'm new to bitcoin (as my rep will tell you), but I understand the concept of luck and variance. How specifically does p2pool "out pay" others? I currently mine on a no-fee (keep trans fees) PPLNS pool. My analysis shows that the trans fees are ~1% so p2pool will out pay there. How else? Is there some sort of reduced latency bonus? Or just a "no-downtime" gain? I read somewhere that >100% efficiencies are "stealing" somehow gaining from others with low pool efficiency by getting their hash power but not always giving credit -- or something.

Among p2pool users there's indeed a competition for the best efficiency. It shouldn't be a problem though: people with really bad efficiency unable to make it better shouldn't mine on p2pool leaving only the most efficient ones (which will bring them closer to 100% efficiency). This is assuming their goal is maximum rewards, you can mine on p2pool for other reasons (you like the concept or find it a better solution for Bitcoin's overall health/robustness).

The advantage of p2pool vs classic pools is stated in the guide: it should have less orphans than classic pools because it's better connected to the Bitcoin network and thus should propagate blocks faster (this is a theoretical advantage, I'm not aware of anyone having measured it).

One thing I didn't write yet is the ability of merged mining. If you have moderately high hashpower (currently ~5GH/s) it should bring you additional coins. Namecoin has been between 5 and 13% as profitable as Bitcoin recently, being able to merge-mine it (Devcoin and Ixcoin are possible too) is an additional bonus. For example I set NMC merged-mining up early just to tinker with it (it wasn't really worth my time) and found a quite nice surprise when looking at my NMC wallet last month: 1000+ NMC where waiting there...

Also, this guide mentions using:
Code:
-Q 0 -g 1 --intensity d --gpu-dyninterval 50
Can you elaborate? the -g sets the miner to a single thread (opposed to 3 on my machine). Isn't that going to reduce my hashrate?

It depends on your setup, but I didn't measure any speedup with -g 2 on mine. The higher the number of threads and the higher your latency is, so if it doesn't bring any measurable benefit, you should keep it down.

I'm not sure about --gpu-dyninterval default value but the goal is to keep the GPU latency low without sacrificing too much hashrate. I've measured a ~0.3% lower hashrate when going from 250ms to 50ms but the amount of stales/doa was much lower too. Going lower was eating too much hashrate and I believe 50ms to be much lower than most people latencies with the P2Pool network.

These are good starting point, but if you want to grab a 1% worth of Bitcoin more you might want to study the impact of modifying them by comparing the * (which is what matters for your p2pool's income) value for long runs (at least 24h).

the -Q 0 seems inefficient too
This is what is advised by p2pool. It seemed inefficient to me too, but I couldn't measure any impact vs -Q 1.

Finally, how is difficultly handled? Hosted pools can auto-adjust this "magically". How can I tell what I should set mine to (or leave it at) and how do I do it?

Difficulty is auto-adjusted automatically so that your miners keep submitting ~1 share every second (to avoid too much traffic and load and still get a good estimate of your hashrate).
donator
Activity: 2058
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Poor impulse control.
Which fee free PPS pool is that? Are there any left? Mining at a fee-free PPS pool might cost less now, but the risks of the pool failing are high so the cost may be more than you imagine.

Eligius - It's actually CPPSRB - Capped Pay Per Share with Recent Backpay

I understand the value of p2pool but I don't think that a failing pool is all that costly. If you have a failover you shouldn't have any issues when the primary is down. Worst case is that you'd lose out on anything that wasn't distributed to you yet - hopefully < 0.2

Yes, Eligius is not actually a PPS pool and so my comments don't really apply to it. In general however, I was referring to the risks PPS pools take and the chances of them going into bankruptcy owing you coins. That is costly and has happened, and has more of a chance happening in a fee-free PPS pool, since a long negative buffer will probably wipe them out.

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