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Quote from: Stalker22 on November 10, 2022, 05:54:04 PM

OP, if you actually have a problem with gambling, get help from people who know how to help gambling addicts. Please stop blaming casinos for your addiction. It is easy to get addicted to gambling, but it is not the casino that makes you do it. It is your own choice and responsibility to stop gambling, not the casinos' fault. But something tells me that if you hadn't lost, we wouldn't be having this conversation. So I don't think you are really addicted to gambling, you are just a bad loser.

i agree that OP shouldn't blame the casino, OP is complaining that the casino should block his IP, but we all know that when a person is addicted that person might even be able to use VPN and create another account and continue playing, so even if the casino blocks the OP's IP this will not be the solution to end the addiction that the OP has, and at this point the OP seems to refuse to notice and is angry with the casino. curing addiction is not something easy, it takes years, it takes willpower to cure addiction, if the person doesn't look for a doctor, doesn't go to the hospital and doesn't stop moving anything that has access to the internet, that person won't go get rid of gambling addiction

Quote from: BobK71 on November 13, 2022, 11:30:02 PM

Every casino site strives to provide maximum benefits to clients. As more users come to their sites, their profits will increase. Since you have already lost $2500. By your activity they have identified you as an addicted gambler so you should first control yourself from the addiction. You should read their rules thoroughly before starting gambling. Moreover, it is better to contact the gambling site support first and accept their solution. You can complain if it is a logical reason against the user's interest otherwise no one should complain against any site.

I believe the casino must not have realized that OP is a gambling addict, casinos do not have super powers and are not responsible for someone becoming addicted to gambling, they have no way of guessing or knowing that someone has become addicted to gambling. gambling addict unless that person informs the casino that he is a gambling addict and asks the casino to block his account, but if that person creates an account again and with the same name and email then the casino may suspect that this person is addicted to gambling and may block the person's account

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Quote from: rodskee on November 15, 2022, 03:26:33 AM

Quote from: Alisha-k on November 13, 2022, 05:23:59 PM

While the bold step for self exclusion was taken it would have been wiser to have found a counselling agency on gambling addiction to seek for help. Self Exclusion without counsel will always bring every addicted gambler back to their old ways no matter how determined they are never to gamble again.

Good example is how OP manage to create another account after being blocked by Bistler team so I think you are correct that Counselling will help Him make a best decision than just hating gambling today but loving it later the day, meaning He wanted to stop gambling but he wanted the gambling site do it for Him in which if this is the case then all of the gambling sites that exists need to block him so he will never gamble again with that?

He will still return to gambling sites that have blocked his account because that is where he can create another account, even after the Bitsler team blocked his last account. This will continue if @OP does not realize something is wrong with him and tries to find and consult a counseling agency about his problems. A counseling agency would devise a solution for him but if @OP doesn't try it, it won't do any good either. Even better, he should avoid or even not use the internet, especially if he has a severe gambling addiction.

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Quote from: Alisha-k on November 13, 2022, 05:23:59 PM

While the bold step for self exclusion was taken it would have been wiser to have found a counselling agency on gambling addiction to seek for help. Self Exclusion without counsel will always bring every addicted gambler back to their old ways no matter how determined they are never to gamble again.

Good example is how OP manage to create another account after being blocked by Bistler team so I think you are correct that Counselling will help Him make a best decision than just hating gambling today but loving it later the day, meaning He wanted to stop gambling but he wanted the gambling site do it for Him in which if this is the case then all of the gambling sites that exists need to block him so he will never gamble again with that?

Quote from: samuraijin on November 14, 2022, 09:05:41 AM

Accepting defeat is better than blaming gambling sites, and accusing without any meaningful explanation,

This is how Addicted gamblers does, they cannot even blame themselves so they are turning to others for their mistakes and mostly the casino sites is what they turning on.

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Accepting defeat is better than blaming gambling sites, and accusing without any meaningful explanation, if someone has been beaten in playing casino by a gambling site, then it must be accepted, because playing gambling has risks, if you want to win something or in gambling and want to win continuously, in my opinion it is not balanced in gambling games, of course there will be wins and losses in every game or bet in casino games, everything that is done at least when playing is done consciously, not you are trapped or deceived by game..

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Every casino site strives to provide maximum benefits to clients. As more users come to their sites, their profits will increase. Since you have already lost $2500. By your activity they have identified you as an addicted gambler so you should first control yourself from the addiction. You should read their rules thoroughly before starting gambling. Moreover, it is better to contact the gambling site support first and accept their solution. You can complain if it is a logical reason against the user's interest otherwise no one should complain against any site.

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Quote from: robelneo on November 10, 2022, 06:20:49 PM

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Huge scam

is when you won a huge amount and then you have a hard time withdrawing, but what we've read on OP's explanation is the self-exclusion system which is used by gamblers to blame casinos for their losses, this will not qualify as a scam, the casino beat you you bet you lose, then you're crying on spill milk that you yourself cause it, you're just a sore loser no one here will agree on your accusation, it just won't stand.

He mjst be describing the casino itself which is not appropriate. Big or small amount of winnings, if not given to the player, would be a scam against him/her. But it happened that in this topic, things are just accusations of OP towards the gambling site.

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Quote from: serjent05 on November 10, 2022, 04:51:52 PM

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"Feel free to post on btctalk we already have a nice collection of kids like you who feel important only because they use caps and insults. I hope you feel better now that you have found someone to blame for your own issues."

This was an epic reply lol! As I read @op whining, I can conclude that saying Bitsler is a huge scam is an overstatement and unfounded. I also understand that the problem and situation stated by @OP is created by him alone and Bitsler has nothing to do with it. If @op wanted to self-exclude then leave the site alone and never come back. And I think if Bitsler implements an IP block, no one is stopping @op to register to another casino again, thus it is nonsense for Bitsler to block his IP since the result will be still the same, OP looking for a new site to play with.

I think rather than pushing Bitsler to block your IP @OP, you should be seeking medical assistance and have a consultation on whether you have a gambling addiction that needs treatment.

^Good luck to the casino that OP found, later on, OP start blaming again and come up here to blame another casino that made him money lose.
There are people who cannot accept their losses or it is not easy for them to move on, the reason for the addiction is that they keep chasing their loss until such time they did not meet this goal which is turn into an addiction or become worse. If I were in the shoe of OP, just quietly leave gambling and find a better place to hang out while healing his addiction to gambling.

This is just sad; dropping the name of an online gambling platform and throwing wrong accudations just because of player's own negligence on his/her gambling behavior. I still don't get why there are still players who are assuming that winning would be as easy as A,B,C while in the first place, the word gamble itself means having no assurance of something. This might be because of stories tangled with players who became rich.

Not because other people win, same thing would constantly happen on OP's end. Accept that losing is a part of the game and that would happen most of the time as eviident with majority of the players in this industry.

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While the bold step for self exclusion was taken it would have been wiser to have found a counselling agency on gambling addiction to seek for help. Self Exclusion without counsel will always bring every addicted gambler back to their old ways no matter how determined they are never to gamble again.

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Quote from: robelneo on November 10, 2022, 06:20:49 PM

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Huge scam

is when you won a huge amount and then you have a hard time withdrawing, but what we've read on OP's explanation is the self-exclusion system which is used by gamblers to blame casinos for their losses, this will not qualify as a scam, the casino beat you you bet you lose, then you're crying on spill milk that you yourself cause it, you're just a sore loser no one here will agree on your accusation, it just won't stand.

The fact is, ops are trying to blame bistler over his gambling addiction and in other to get attention ops put up that topic title just to attract members to read through the thread doing that, one will discover ops mean a different thing together.
When it comes to the issue of accounts closer, casinos try as much as possible to stay away from that and the responsibility to stay away from gambling is highly placed on the players and not casinos as ops make it look.

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Huge scam

is when you won a huge amount and then you have a hard time withdrawing, but what we've read on OP's explanation is the self-exclusion system which is used by gamblers to blame casinos for their losses, this will not qualify as a scam, the casino beat you you bet you lose, then you're crying on spill milk that you yourself cause it, you're just a sore loser no one here will agree on your accusation, it just won't stand.

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OP, if you actually have a problem with gambling, get help from people who know how to help gambling addicts. Please stop blaming casinos for your addiction. It is easy to get addicted to gambling, but it is not the casino that makes you do it. It is your own choice and responsibility to stop gambling, not the casinos' fault. But something tells me that if you hadn't lost, we wouldn't be having this conversation. So I don't think you are really addicted to gambling, you are just a bad loser.

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Quote from: TheCrazyTeam on November 07, 2022, 12:26:26 PM

*PS : i have the chat transcript so if it's necessary then let me know and i will upload it right away.
*In the chat i started saying a lot of bad words to them because they were using my addiction against me, they were refusing to block my account and they were refusing to block my IP address !

**This is the email from their support i just recieved after i told them to block my IP otherwise i will report this on bitcointalk :

"Gabriel from Bitsler <[email protected]>"

"Feel free to post on btctalk we already have a nice collection of kids like you who feel important only because they use caps and insults. I hope you feel better now that you have found someone to blame for your own issues."

Thank you.

We don't need the chat script we already know the whole story and the support are right in telling you that, you're acting like a child and a true irresponsible gambler, you owed it to yourself to control yourself because you'll become miserable and that's what happens now, learn to stand up to yourself and learn self-control, the whole thing is all about gambling addiction that's all there is, not a faulty casino system, things might have been different if you keep on winning even if you activate that self inclusion.

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Quote from: serjent05 on November 10, 2022, 04:51:52 PM

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"Feel free to post on btctalk we already have a nice collection of kids like you who feel important only because they use caps and insults. I hope you feel better now that you have found someone to blame for your own issues."

This was an epic reply lol! As I read @op whining, I can conclude that saying Bitsler is a huge scam is an overstatement and unfounded. I also understand that the problem and situation stated by @OP is created by him alone and Bitsler has nothing to do with it. If @op wanted to self-exclude then leave the site alone and never come back. And I think if Bitsler implements an IP block, no one is stopping @op to register to another casino again, thus it is nonsense for Bitsler to block his IP since the result will be still the same, OP looking for a new site to play with.

I think rather than pushing Bitsler to block your IP @OP, you should be seeking medical assistance and have a consultation on whether you have a gambling addiction that needs treatment.

^Good luck to the casino that OP found, later on, OP start blaming again and come up here to blame another casino that made him money lose.
There are people who cannot accept their losses or it is not easy for them to move on, the reason for the addiction is that they keep chasing their loss until such time they did not meet this goal which is turn into an addiction or become worse. If I were in the shoe of OP, just quietly leave gambling and find a better place to hang out while healing his addiction to gambling.

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"Feel free to post on btctalk we already have a nice collection of kids like you who feel important only because they use caps and insults. I hope you feel better now that you have found someone to blame for your own issues."

This was an epic reply lol! As I read @op whining, I can conclude that saying Bitsler is a huge scam is an overstatement and unfounded. I also understand that the problem and situation stated by @OP is created by him alone and Bitsler has nothing to do with it. If @op wanted to self-exclude then leave the site alone and never come back. And I think if Bitsler implements an IP block, no one is stopping @op to register to another casino again, thus it is nonsense for Bitsler to block his IP since the result will be still the same, OP looking for a new site to play with.

I think rather than pushing Bitsler to block your IP @OP, you should be seeking medical assistance and have a consultation on whether you have a gambling addiction that needs treatment.

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Quote from: TheCrazyTeam on November 07, 2022, 01:00:14 PM

You can find the above on every gambling commission website

what it means is it's their job to prevent the self-excluded player from returning to the casino by disabling his/her account right away either by the IP address or their personal information : EXACTLY like what stake and primedice do!

This self-exclusion will not qualify for the term scam like what you're trying to imply because you lose fair and square will you create a scam accusation if after you create a new account and you triple your winning you're doing this because you lose, it's your responsibility to yourself that you self exclude yourself first because if you have that addiction to play who can stop you from playing on other casinos or creating a new account under a new IP, as a rule in gambling you only call a casino a scam if you win and you cannot withdraw or their site is manipulating the result but never on self-exclusion.

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Quote from: dezoel on November 10, 2022, 01:35:51 PM

Quote from: Slow death on November 09, 2022, 08:29:48 AM

The reality is that each person is responsible for himself when he decides to play, the casino respects the laws and their TOS, but they are not responsible for anyone becoming addicted. OP needs medical help and to stay away from anything that comes on the internet for many, many years. it takes time to cure the addiction

Yeah, if we notice when we visit a gambling site. They will always have that warning to gamble responsibly. I am sure that we are not blind enough to not see it but we only act like we are and become irresponsible gamblers later on. Even if they want to, casinos are only respecting their customers and their decisions but if the problem gambler will seek help from them, they are also willing to help.

The casino can temporarily close the gambler's account and there are even some who give compensation only to lessen the burden oonthat gambler. It depends on how severe the addiction is. Sometimes it can be cured for a not-so-long time but if it's heavily severe then it may take many more years.

The responsibility to control gambling activities is left for the players to deal with, and we must understand the fact that gambling sites are established to make profits and at that even though the casinos have a self-exclusion option, they will find it difficult to do so simply because their will want to trade with caution and at the same time try to protect the player account so a long time will be given to the such request to close an account to avoid any case such as the balance on accounts before closer. But the most effective to deal with gambling addiction is to take it personally and not leave the responsibility to casinos.

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Quote from: Slow death on November 09, 2022, 08:29:48 AM

The reality is that each person is responsible for himself when he decides to play, the casino respects the laws and their TOS, but they are not responsible for anyone becoming addicted. OP needs medical help and to stay away from anything that comes on the internet for many, many years. it takes time to cure the addiction

Yeah, if we notice, when we visit a gambling site. They will always have that warning to gamble responsibly. I am sure that we are not blind enough to not see it but we only act like we are and become irresponsible gamblers later on. Even if they want to, casinos are only respecting their customers and their decisions but if the problem gambler will seek help from them, they are also willing to help.

Casino can temporarily close the gamblers account and there are even some who give compensation only to lessen the burden of that gambler. It depends on how severe the addiction are. Sometimes it can be cured for a not-so-long time but if it's heavily severe then it may take many more years.

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Quote from: EarnOnVictor on November 09, 2022, 02:05:18 PM

We should not be selfish, money is not everything, and we should try to help if we could, especially when someone is clearly going through mental issues.

There is a huge conflict of interest here.
On the one hand casinos are looking at their data sheets, counting FTDs, deposits, how much users wager - and they get a fat cut out of it - for those who work in the industry - they look at things from perspective of numbers, it's very difficult for people with this point of view to look at someone weak with a merciful approach - since this is a conflict of interest - their goal is to make more money, and those who suffer from it have no goals - they are not sure what they want from life when they are deep down into it.

Gambling in a way is a selfish activity, some hide it, some don't want to talk about it, people want 'privacy' when they do it - so whilst "feeling sorry" for someone who's going through some issues there is a still a conflict of interest.

The best thing for the OP to do is to hand over the control over his/her finances to someone he/she trusts - and then worry about all the rest - when you don't have control over your money you're arresting your addiction because you won't be able to play without a permission from your money-keeper.

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I could see that many only blamed the OP for his addiction, but I see things differently, and I blame both the OP and bitsler for this. I look at things insightfully, and my conclusion is that the OP needed help, but bitsler doesn't care, all they care about is making money. Even if they can't do anything, they could have issued a piece of professional advice, even suggest therapy if need be, and tell him why they could not block an IP if there is a genuine reason. We should not be selfish, money is not everything, and we should try to help if we could, especially when someone is clearly going through mental issues.

And as for the OP, you need to fight your addiction, find help if need be, and make sure you block all possible access to gambling on your gadgets and around you. Also, let people know what you are going through, it helps a lot.

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Quote from: rodskee on November 08, 2022, 09:03:36 PM

Quote from: piebeyb on November 07, 2022, 11:45:46 PM

if you continue to follow your emotions and your desires then at that time you will continue to spend a lot of money because you are already an addict, you should avoid that and you should not need to access any casino sites anymore if you have lost enough before your problem destroys you, my advice before playing make sure to read every rule that you have to follow there don't be too much to say the casino site is a scam if you can't control yourself in playing

He can ask for His family's help , maybe taking his Gadget for a while? or looking at his activity from time to time so he can let Himself Healed from addiction? because the truth here is that gambling site don't wanna block gamblers completely because they Knew that addicted players will always find ways to gamble and this will favor them as another flow of deposit and losses.
though at least the Bistler team blocked His account Grin

, business is business after all Grin

yes the way he is like that as an addict is the same as making a gambling site rich indirectly, how many accounts are created if in the end it will be banned for what even though he wins a lot there but if he loses, forget it, why should he be more curious, even though he can try other gambling games that are fairer and can also play on other gambling sites, but there is also a point in asking the family to take the gadget it would be better

Quote from: Slow death on November 09, 2022, 08:29:48 AM

The reality is that each person is responsible for himself when he decides to play, the casino respects the laws and their TOS, but they are not responsible for anyone becoming addicted. OP needs medical help and to stay away from anything that comes on the internet for many, many years. it takes time to cure the addiction

yes it all comes back to himself, it will hurt himself it's true it takes time to get rid of the opium, I once had a friend he finally stopped playing gambling after he had nothing and he had lost everything including his house because of addiction to gambling, that's what why in gambling should avoid addiction and the desire to win in gambling, because in the end you will not get anything, I hope the OP gets well soon

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Quote from: Get-Paid.com on November 08, 2022, 08:55:22 PM

Quote from: goldkingcoiner on November 08, 2022, 01:11:47 PM

If they did not IP ban you and if they were legally required to do so, (after you have stated you wish for an IP ban because of your gambling problem) then they might indeed be in the wrong and in that case you should see what you can do about reporting them.

Where could he possibly "report" this?

License Provider I guess. There's a file a complaint option in the official website of the curacao egaming site for players that has a legit complaint to casino that under there license.

You can visit it through the link here: https://www.curacao-egaming.com/public-and-players/#section-file-a-complaint

The only problem was there is no known user here that testify on using this complaint form or manage to prove his claim against the casino by reporting it since license provider gives more importance to there clients over the players on handling case like this. But no harm in trying.

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