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legendary
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Bringing Legendary Har® to you since 1952
December 20, 2012, 04:47:33 AM
Just had a weird realization - right now it costs a not small fortune in fuel costs to go out to space, and is cheaper to stay down here. Once we're more or less space-bound, it will be cheaper to stay in orbit, and cost ridiculous amounts just to come down to visit a planet and come back up.

At some point in the future, it will probably be necessary to leave earth as the sun has a limited amount of years it will exist before it burns out. This is still very far into the future though.

Yep, like 5 billion years worth of fuel.

So "at some point" is pretty far-fetched. I seriously doubt even our civilization and our bodies will exist in its current or similiar form.

We are in trouble before the sun burns out. In 700 million years , as it ages, the sun has bloated enough to make life impossible: scorching hot desserts and evaporating oceans. Mars should be nice if it is terrraformed in time.

[citation needed]

From what i know, the sun will get bloated and turned into a red giant right before the end of its existence (so still few billions years to go).
full member
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December 20, 2012, 01:01:51 AM

Hum...  12 light years might be too much long a delay for a bitcoin node.    Grin

You never know lol
legendary
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December 19, 2012, 06:56:46 PM

Hum...  12 light years might be too much long a delay for a bitcoin node.    Grin
sr. member
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December 19, 2012, 06:44:49 PM
Just had a weird realization - right now it costs a not small fortune in fuel costs to go out to space, and is cheaper to stay down here. Once we're more or less space-bound, it will be cheaper to stay in orbit, and cost ridiculous amounts just to come down to visit a planet and come back up.

At some point in the future, it will probably be necessary to leave earth as the sun has a limited amount of years it will exist before it burns out. This is still very far into the future though.

Yep, like 5 billion years worth of fuel.

So "at some point" is pretty far-fetched. I seriously doubt even our civilization and our bodies will exist in its current or similiar form.

We are in trouble before the sun burns out. In 700 million years , as it ages, the sun has bloated enough to make life impossible: scorching hot desserts and evaporating oceans. Mars should be nice if it is terrraformed in time.
legendary
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Eadem mutata resurgo
December 19, 2012, 06:37:24 PM
Just had a weird realization - right now it costs a not small fortune in fuel costs to go out to space, and is cheaper to stay down here. Once we're more or less space-bound, it will be cheaper to stay in orbit, and cost ridiculous amounts just to come down to visit a planet and come back up.

At some point in the future, it will probably be necessary to leave earth as the sun has a limited amount of years it will exist before it burns out. This is still very far into the future though.

Yeah, I was thinking about much nearer term. Like, "I've been living and working on this mining station on this asteroid for a few years now, and it's pretty cheap do fly-by's around Earth's orbit while I drop off the raw materials, but I better not screw up and get caught in the gravity well, otherwise I'll get stranded down there, and it will cost a fortune for me to get back home."
Or even just that visiting neighboring asteroids is cheap, but visiting family at home on earth is not.

Cost of energy for propulsion, i.e. energy conversion mechanism efficiency, is the underlying factor here. As far as space propulsion goes we haven't got past 1G tech. yet ... and space-bound rockets as a working concept have been around for almost 8 decades.

Controlled fusion and/or gaseous fission tech are on the roadmap and who knows what else innovation may throw up, but it is a pretty safe bet to follow the propulsion energy vs. cost curve into the future and assume it will get cheaper.

Flying across the Atlantic was impossible 100 years ago, now those flights can be got for as cheap as 5 barrels of oil.
legendary
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December 19, 2012, 04:45:44 PM
Just had a weird realization - right now it costs a not small fortune in fuel costs to go out to space, and is cheaper to stay down here. Once we're more or less space-bound, it will be cheaper to stay in orbit, and cost ridiculous amounts just to come down to visit a planet and come back up.

At some point in the future, it will probably be necessary to leave earth as the sun has a limited amount of years it will exist before it burns out. This is still very far into the future though.

Yeah, I was thinking about much nearer term. Like, "I've been living and working on this mining station on this asteroid for a few years now, and it's pretty cheap do fly-by's around Earth's orbit while I drop off the raw materials, but I better not screw up and get caught in the gravity well, otherwise I'll get stranded down there, and it will cost a fortune for me to get back home."
Or even just that visiting neighboring asteroids is cheap, but visiting family at home on earth is not.
legendary
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Bringing Legendary Har® to you since 1952
December 19, 2012, 04:25:11 PM
Just had a weird realization - right now it costs a not small fortune in fuel costs to go out to space, and is cheaper to stay down here. Once we're more or less space-bound, it will be cheaper to stay in orbit, and cost ridiculous amounts just to come down to visit a planet and come back up.

At some point in the future, it will probably be necessary to leave earth as the sun has a limited amount of years it will exist before it burns out. This is still very far into the future though.

Yep, like 5 billion years worth of fuel.

So "at some point" is pretty far-fetched. I seriously doubt even our civilization and our bodies will exist in its current or similiar form.
hero member
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December 19, 2012, 12:05:08 PM
Just had a weird realization - right now it costs a not small fortune in fuel costs to go out to space, and is cheaper to stay down here. Once we're more or less space-bound, it will be cheaper to stay in orbit, and cost ridiculous amounts just to come down to visit a planet and come back up.

At some point in the future, it will probably be necessary to leave earth as the sun has a limited amount of years it will exist before it burns out. This is still very far into the future though.
legendary
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December 19, 2012, 12:03:28 PM
Just had a weird realization - right now it costs a not small fortune in fuel costs to go out to space, and is cheaper to stay down here. Once we're more or less space-bound, it will be cheaper to stay in orbit, and cost ridiculous amounts just to come down to visit a planet and come back up.
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December 19, 2012, 10:20:05 AM
of course if there was more hashing power on Mars, then the Earth-visible blockchain would become quite interesting.
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legendary
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December 02, 2012, 03:25:42 AM
I was thinking about quantum entangled communication where it was first mentioned, but didn't really say anything.
The issue with that method is that you need to physically deliver the second "copy" of the entangled material to the communication destination, and you will use it up whenever you use it to communicate.
Basically, two entangled particles stay entangled until you read the information off them. Soon as you do, the entanglement breaks, and they're useless. So, communication of this type would be instantaneous, but would require a constant replenishment of communication "fuel" to be ferried from one planet to another. Not a cheap proposition.
sr. member
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December 02, 2012, 02:03:17 AM
There's a lot going on with this idea.  First, long-distance entangled quantum particles will allow instantaneous communication to Mars soon.  Secondly, aliens could intercept the transmissions and crack the hash calculations and replace the data in the chain with their superior computers.  Third, anyone rich enough to get to Mars has enough goddam money already and would just use a USD credit card, lol.
sr. member
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November 30, 2012, 01:07:57 PM
#99
Sounds far fetched, but Virgin and other companies are seriously looking into mining in space already.

Indeed they are looking into it,  but honestly I don't understand why.  If you really want to mine stuff, I'm pretty sure it would be cheaper to mine sea floors than asteroids.

It costs way less to mine for water and materials in space, and transport those materials through zero gravity to the space station, than it does to mine for them on earth and launch them from here. The plan is to provide water and resources for the ISS to start with, and then space hotels and other space tourism venues once they become available.
So, it's mostly the gravity thing Tongue

Mars would end up playing a part for things we may need to process first, and a processing factory in space is too costly to build (building airtight caves on mars is cheaper than building large airtight can in space) or for things that we do need on earth that may be hard to get here (gold, plutonium, platinum, rare earth metals, etc.)

I know this quote is a little old, just REALLY want to add to it: At current rates, the estimated minerals on the asteroids between Mars and Jupiter alone would be enough for every person on earth to have 100 mil usd worth.. (granted the value would lower drastically)
legendary
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Bitcoin: An Idea Worth Spending
November 30, 2012, 12:57:24 PM
#98
Found something intellegent--AGAIN--to add to the conversation.  Grin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quasi_Universal_Intergalactic_Denomination
...

So... where is this intelligent thing you said you were going to add? I think I missed it  Grin

You're the guy with the creepy coffee table.  Grin Grin Grin
legendary
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November 30, 2012, 12:06:38 PM
#97
Found something intellegent--AGAIN--to add to the conversation.  Grin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quasi_Universal_Intergalactic_Denomination
...

So... where is this intelligent thing you said you were going to add? I think I missed it  Grin
legendary
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Bitcoin: An Idea Worth Spending
November 30, 2012, 11:43:04 AM
#96
Wouldn't we just use some form of quantum internet. If not, We could super-cool cas coins into BEC's scan them with lasers and beam the info to mars, shoot it at some more supercooled mass and teleport the coins of course.

This.

If we could incoorperate a shark somehow it would be the perfect internet.
Obviously the lasers shooting the BEC info to mars would be mounted on sharks

Be sure the correct shark species is chosen, for we don't want any remoras hitching a ride.

Didn't you know that transaction fees for solely for the purpose of nurishing remoras?

And on Mars lemmings fly.
newbie
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November 30, 2012, 01:38:41 AM
#95
Wouldn't we just use some form of quantum internet. If not, We could super-cool cas coins into BEC's scan them with lasers and beam the info to mars, shoot it at some more supercooled mass and teleport the coins of course.

This.

If we could incoorperate a shark somehow it would be the perfect internet.
Obviously the lasers shooting the BEC info to mars would be mounted on sharks

Be sure the correct shark species is chosen, for we don't want any remoras hitching a ride.

Didn't you know that transaction fees for solely for the purpose of nurishing remoras?
legendary
Activity: 1918
Merit: 1570
Bitcoin: An Idea Worth Spending
November 30, 2012, 12:36:00 AM
#94
Wouldn't we just use some form of quantum internet. If not, We could super-cool cas coins into BEC's scan them with lasers and beam the info to mars, shoot it at some more supercooled mass and teleport the coins of course.

This.

If we could incoorperate a shark somehow it would be the perfect internet.
Obviously the lasers shooting the BEC info to mars would be mounted on sharks

Be sure the correct shark species is chosen, for we don't want any remoras hitching a ride.
legendary
Activity: 1470
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Hello!
November 29, 2012, 11:07:52 PM
#93
Wouldn't we just use some form of quantum internet. If not, We could super-cool cas coins into BEC's scan them with lasers and beam the info to mars, shoot it at some more supercooled mass and teleport the coins of course.

This.

If we could incoorperate a shark somehow it would be the perfect internet.
Obviously the lasers shooting the BEC info to mars would be mounted on sharks
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