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Quote from: Spendulus on August 26, 2014, 02:09:00 PM

I'll applaud your rational view, WHEN AND ONLY WHEN I SEE A FATWA AGAINST EVERY LAST MEMBER OF ISIS AND BOKO HARAM, declared by prominent members of the Islamic clergy.

Until then, every last Muslim owns these creeps.

There have been plenty of muslim leaders/scholars denouncing ISIS:

http://www.arabamericannews.com/news/news/id_9262/Muslim-scholars-denounce-Islamic-State,-Israel-at-press-conference.html

The Imams Council of the Michigan Muslim Community Council (MMCC) condemned the continuing atrocities committed against religious minorities across Iraq and Syria by the Islamic State.

http://iqra.ca/2014/manitoba-muslims-denounce-isis/

We, the undersigned Muslim leaders in Winnipeg, unconditionally declare the actions of ISIS against the Iraqi Christians and Yazidis an affront to our faith, and we forcefully condemn any attempts by ISIS to associate their heinous crimes to Islam and to our prophetic tradition.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/08/02/Indonesian-Muslim-Leaders-Condemn-ISIS-The-Public-Have-to-be-Critical

More Muslims are speaking out against the Islamic State (IS), formerly known as ISIS. Two Muslim leaders in Indonesia condemned the group and those who support it, while the Supreme Religious Authority in Iraq asked the world to help the country fight the jihadists.

http://www.freep.com/article/20140825/NEWS05/308250218/Muslim-Detroit-ISIS-criminals

Muslim leaders gathered Monday on the steps of Dearborn City Hall to strongly condemn ISIS, saying the militant group in Iraq and Syria doesn’t represent Islam or Muslims.

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Quote from: Spendulus on August 26, 2014, 08:46:19 PM

Would the Holiest of Holy Men in the Shitlamic movement be named?

Holy Shit?

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Quote from: BCEmporium on August 25, 2014, 01:33:51 PM

Being study Islam for over a decade and even if I don't like it overall, I try to be focus and not fall into plain hate speech accusing Islam of every evil in the World.
Well then, it comes the time when I need to agree with general Muslims; ISIS and Boko Haram aren't Islam. They are way too radical even to the ways of the prophet, they are nothing but ignorant violent crackpots using the flag of Islam just because.
So I would propose to coin a new term to define this new Islamic-based non-sense, and that would be Shitlam, making ISIS and Boko Haram Shitlamic movements.

Would the Holiest of Holy Men in the Shitlamic movement be named?

Holy Shit?

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Quote from: peeveepee on August 25, 2014, 03:36:00 PM

Quote from: BCEmporium on August 25, 2014, 03:15:39 PM

No doubt there is some of Islam on those movements, but even for Islam (or Islamism) they are way too radical. Even from Al-Qaeda POV, these guys are nuts!

Should not forget some of the radical Islam are trained by the CIA. The world is just a chessboard for the US.

The world is a cheesboard for the most powerful not just the us, look at Ukraine conflict for example.

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Sorry, but those wackos are using M4 and other American gear.
I understand what was the idea behind it, just it wasn't a bright idea.

To add injury to sorrow, now US and EU will supply weapons to the Kurdish... do they realise it can and most likely will backfire, don't they?

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Quote from: BCEmporium on August 26, 2014, 02:59:41 PM

I wouldn't expect much from Muslim clergy. They are used to be strong to the weak and weak to the strong... in this part they are side-by-side with ISIS and Boko Haram. Eventually they will piss up some stronger ones, but I would say rather wipe them now then let them believe they can actually achieve something.

About ISIS, USA is the first to blame here, by taken Saddam out and by helped them under the naive belief that an enemy of an enemy is a friend or an ally.

Rather than trace the chain of causality back and study it, attempting to understand it, why not stop a convenient point to where you can blame a convenient party?

That's what you've done.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXuBnz6vtuI

But let me tell you, "Shitiam", is brilliant....

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I wouldn't expect much from Muslim clergy. They are used to be strong to the weak and weak to the strong... in this part they are side-by-side with ISIS and Boko Haram. Eventually they will piss up some stronger ones, but I would say rather wipe them now then let them believe they can actually achieve something.

About ISIS, USA is the first to blame here, by taken Saddam out and by helped them under the naive belief that an enemy of an enemy is a friend or an ally.

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The revolution will be monetized!

The problem with saying "your not a real Muslim" is that religion is just a bunch of human ideas. The muslims I know laugh at the idea of someone starting a caliphate. It would be like me saying that I am your new pope-king. Bow down for I now rule all Christians worldwide!

Still, if he believes it. Who's to say it's not God's will?

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Quote from: farfiman on August 26, 2014, 02:16:55 PM

Quote from: Spendulus on August 26, 2014, 02:09:00 PM

I'll applaud your rational view, WHEN AND ONLY WHEN I SEE A FATWA AGAINST EVERY LAST MEMBER OF ISIS AND BOKO HARAM, declared by prominent members of the Islamic clergy.

Until then, every last Muslim owns these creeps.

Not much chance of that.
1) Some support them
2) The ones that don't might have ISIS knocking on their door someday soon...why risk it?

LOL,,, believe me I know how it works.

I'm just saying "every last Muslim owns these creeps" as my opinion.

However I'm seriously serious saying I'd like to see a FATWA on them. That would change my attitude about them, and make semi-heroes out of some of them.

Yes we are talking about men standing up and declaring FATWA and putting their own lives in possible danger. Yes I am saying they are cowards to not do so. Further that they are cowards and shame their own faith to not stand up and state what is clear blasphemy and a dangerous perversion of it.

But they won't.

Nonetheless, the religious leaders of Islam have this opportunity to right many wrongs, if just a little.

For the equal of a FATWA to have to be declared by the non-Muslim world says a lot, and should shame every true Muslim.

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Quote from: Spendulus on August 26, 2014, 02:09:00 PM

I'll applaud your rational view, WHEN AND ONLY WHEN I SEE A FATWA AGAINST EVERY LAST MEMBER OF ISIS AND BOKO HARAM, declared by prominent members of the Islamic clergy.

Until then, every last Muslim owns these creeps.

Not much chance of that.
1) Some support them
2) The ones that don't might have ISIS knocking on their door someday soon...why risk it?

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Quote from: shogdite on August 26, 2014, 12:20:16 PM

Quote from: Spendulus on August 26, 2014, 11:33:12 AM

Quote from: alwinlinzee on August 26, 2014, 11:13:12 AM

ISIS and Boko Haram are totally against the norms and pillars of Islam to the best of my knowledge.They are simply a group of misguided and blood thirsty trained military men who should have been discharged from duty following a repeated series of encounters or ordeals on the battlefeild.So, if a name is to be used to classify their form of religion i will say ''madlam''.

I'll applaud your rational view, WHEN AND ONLY WHEN I SEE A FATWA AGAINST EVERY LAST MEMBER OF ISIS AND BOKO HARAM, declared by prominent members of the Islamic clergy.

Until then, every last Muslim owns these creeps.

When it comes to Islam, there are only a few bad apples who commit terrorist acts.

Writing off an entire religion due to actions of a few fanatics is insanity.

No ducking and dodging responsibility here. There is no writing off of an entire religion. Confront this issue directly and deal with it.

I am again repeating.

I'll applaud your rational view, WHEN AND ONLY WHEN I SEE A FATWA AGAINST EVERY LAST MEMBER OF ISIS AND BOKO HARAM, declared by prominent members of the Islamic clergy.

Until then, every last Muslim owns these creeps.

Quote from: alwinlinzee on August 26, 2014, 11:13:12 AM

ISIS and Boko Haram are totally against the norms and pillars of Islam to the best of my knowledge.They are simply a group of misguided and blood thirsty trained military men who should have been discharged from duty following a repeated series of encounters or ordeals on the battlefeild.So, if a name is to be used to classify their form of religion i will say ''madlam''.

This is correct in terms of their background. Muslim countries seem to have way too many unemployed young men who get sucked up in whatever the frenzy of the moment is.

Now let's see that FATWA or you own them, buddy.

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Quote from: shogdite on August 26, 2014, 12:20:16 PM

When it comes to Islam, there are only a few bad apples who commit terrorist acts.

Writing off an entire religion due to actions of a few fanatics is insanity.

~20% of them agree and support terrorism / ~60% of them agree that anybody leaving Islam should be killed.
Isn't just a bunch of fanatics, is it?

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Quote from: Spendulus on August 26, 2014, 11:33:12 AM

Quote from: alwinlinzee on August 26, 2014, 11:13:12 AM

ISIS and Boko Haram are totally against the norms and pillars of Islam to the best of my knowledge.They are simply a group of misguided and blood thirsty trained military men who should have been discharged from duty following a repeated series of encounters or ordeals on the battlefeild.So, if a name is to be used to classify their form of religion i will say ''madlam''.

I'll applaud your rational view, WHEN AND ONLY WHEN I SEE A FATWA AGAINST EVERY LAST MEMBER OF ISIS AND BOKO HARAM, declared by prominent members of the Islamic clergy.

Until then, every last Muslim owns these creeps.

When it comes to Islam, there are only a few bad apples who commit terrorist acts.

Writing off an entire religion due to actions of a few fanatics is insanity.

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Quote from: alwinlinzee on August 26, 2014, 11:13:12 AM

ISIS and Boko Haram are totally against the norms and pillars of Islam to the best of my knowledge.They are simply a group of misguided and blood thirsty trained military men who should have been discharged from duty following a repeated series of encounters or ordeals on the battlefeild.So, if a name is to be used to classify their form of religion i will say ''madlam''.

I'll applaud your rational view, WHEN AND ONLY WHEN I SEE A FATWA AGAINST EVERY LAST MEMBER OF ISIS AND BOKO HARAM, declared by prominent members of the Islamic clergy.

Until then, every last Muslim owns these creeps.

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ISIS and Boko Haram are totally against the norms and pillars of Islam to the best of my knowledge.They are simply a group of misguided and blood thirsty trained military men who should have been discharged from duty following a repeated series of encounters or ordeals on the battlefeild.So, if a name is to be used to classify their form of religion i will say ''madlam''.

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Quote from: Gervais on August 26, 2014, 05:39:19 AM

Exactly. Arent pretty much all religions distorted and taken out of context to suit their own political agenda?

Not Islam. Islam isn't taken out of any context to be a terrorist system, Muhammad was a terrorist himself.
The issue about these movements, is that even being a terrorist system, Islam has a set of rules, but they run over those rules to manage to be even more violent than what Islam already is.

@johny08, nobody can live sitting on the fence. Eventually the situation will force you to pick a side.

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Quote from: BCEmporium on August 25, 2014, 01:33:51 PM

Being study Islam for over a decade and even if I don't like it overall, I try to be focus and not fall into plain hate speech accusing Islam of every evil in the World.
Well then, it comes the time when I need to agree with general Muslims; ISIS and Boko Haram aren't Islam. They are way too radical even to the ways of the prophet, they are nothing but ignorant violent crackpots using the flag of Islam just because.
So I would propose to coin a new term to define this new Islamic-based non-sense, and that would be Shitlam, making ISIS and Boko Haram Shitlamic movements.

Provoking guys with weapons is never good.

Let it be their problem. Also the USA had it civil war and Europe its religion wars.

Dont fire your coins for that man.

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Quote from: pedrog on August 25, 2014, 02:00:38 PM

The word you're looking for is Islamism, it's Islam as a political ideology.

Exactly. Arent pretty much all religions distorted and taken out of context to suit their own political agenda? This militant or fundamentalist Islam is no different. Anyone with half a brain knows that this terrorism isn't what Islam is about to the other 99%.

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Quote from: Chef Ramsay on August 25, 2014, 01:38:27 PM

You ought to hear the neocons on parade right now saying how this new Muslim Caliphate is being heeded by Muslims worldwide and that American cities are going to burn. It totally reminds me of all the hype leading into the last two major conflicts.

Being of a different ethnicity or religion is what political leaders have been using for centuries now to get otherwise rational people to kill each other, the basic warcry whenever they start up the propaganda is "They're different from us! So fuck the facts! Lets just go kill them" they're trying to build up the war propaganda for another invasion in the middle east, most likely Iran where they'll fabricate some convincing evidence that the largest percentage of Muslim terrorists are coming from countries like it.

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Quote from: peeveepee on August 25, 2014, 03:36:00 PM

Quote from: BCEmporium on August 25, 2014, 03:15:39 PM

No doubt there is some of Islam on those movements, but even for Islam (or Islamism) they are way too radical. Even from Al-Qaeda POV, these guys are nuts!

Should not forget some of the radical Islam are trained by the CIA. The world is just a chessboard for the US.

Bushism then? Cheesy

since we all know everything wrong in the world was his fault.. him and the JOOOOOOS Grin

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