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Topic: A Public Plea to Bitcoin Developers and Supporters alike - page 4. (Read 10863 times)

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^^^^

Then it is true that "true freedom" is based on direct violence or assumed violence.    In a world of freedom with the above world, only the strong and powerful prosper.  Now you may cut too, "this is reality, get over it"  Yes, and I will but denigrating me for saying what I said, it a pretty weak argument.  FYI:  Violence can be done in business as well.


Bitcoin is a decentralized p2p cryptographic currency.   What we are dealing with is a centralization issue.    In our system, this becomes a problem.  What I care about is keeping the network robust, if our networks end up in a few hands, those make easy points of attack.   I just want more communication and guidance from BFL for the networks sake.   I am a customer and will be purchasing ASIC as well as we upgrade.  



+1

omg, I love it when anarchists and libertarians talk about freedom.  As if freedom will set you free.  Noooope Smiley
(I hate that I get involved in these kinds of discussions.  It's pointless.)

One has to protect one's interests.  Miners getting together and talking about implications / risk examination of ASIC is completely natural and healthy thing to do.
ASIC producers aren't the only business interests here.  I also think a lot of people talking about free market + mining + ASIC completely forget that miners are a business interest and should fight just as fervently to protect themselves and ensure a good outcome.

And if miners are smart, they will collectively let their interests be known and angle for a solution that works for them.  Not necessarily a solution where an ASIC producer will win and miners might win.  
Obviously, that isn't an acceptable solution.  And, of course, we still might lose and some ASIC company walks off with the cash.

Now, here's the great part about Bitcoin.  It was designed to allow mining, a profitable exercise, to support a socially responsible, decentralized commodity-currency.

So, it's both business and working for the greater good.  There aren't too many examples of that in typical business.
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WalletScrutiny.com
*If* there is ASICs, it better be no hostile nodes. If there is money in producing ASICs, great! Others will do better ASICs and the monopoly problem is solved. As a miner myself with his 2k€ equipment idle since half a year, I see rather more people mining with appliances that you just plug in than less.
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People can and will compete with BFL, producing ASICs of their own.  The world will move on.




+1000000000000

Totally agree.
legendary
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People can and will compete with BFL, producing ASICs of their own.  The world will move on.

hero member
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The only danger is in the beginning and BFL can address that situation.  In the beginning, one entity could buy up 51% for about 600,000.  If BFL does not allow one person to buy that many at once... or even just staggers delivery to known different buyers there is really not a big problem.  

Don't worry if there is one thing BFL is good at it is not delivery enough product to make a difference.   I am still waiting on my single from over two months ago.

Did you get that bet with Inaba ?

I was 90% sure they delivered in the timeframe ...

I am confused now TBH.

I agree with OP. ASIC is bad !
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Don't think I agree with the op's approach to fix the issue, but interested to see what others say.
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GPU and FPGA cockroaches are running for the cover and demanding a fork to protect their hides. How hilarious!

Here is a news for you. You can make that fork yourself right now, no need to beg any devs. Just pledge a 50 BTC bounty and someone will make that fork for ya. So stop whining and do the fork I dare you.

The rest of us will stay with Bitcoin that will enjoy Exahashes of hashing power securing it's transactions.

BTW. Consider applying for Whiner in Chief job at RIAA, they will surely understand your angst.


+1.

ASIC is the only thing that can give the Bitcoin network enough security to save guard it from Governmental and Institutional attacks that would use CPU and GPU based Supercomputers.
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My coffee is annoyingly tepid. I hope they actually ship these products soon.
rjk
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1ngldh
It's to keep it warm, not to boil it. duh! Wink
I can't stand lukewarm coffee.
legendary
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I like your optimism, but decentralization of bitcoin is getting a huge blow with this trend.

Hmmm... perhaps I know something that you don't.


Perhaps you know that people who aren't miners still want their coffee warm Wink
Question of the day: Is 2 watts enough to keep a coffee piping hot?

It's to keep it warm, not to boil it. duh! Wink
rjk
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1ngldh
I like your optimism, but decentralization of bitcoin is getting a huge blow with this trend.

Hmmm... perhaps I know something that you don't.


Perhaps you know that people who aren't miners still want their coffee warm Wink
Question of the day: Is 2 watts enough to keep a coffee piping hot?
legendary
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I like your optimism, but decentralization of bitcoin is getting a huge blow with this trend.

Hmmm... perhaps I know something that you don't.


Perhaps you know that people who aren't miners still want their coffee warm Wink
hero member
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Why centralization? They're selling to everyone. But I am done with mining, I never expanded my mining operation beyond a single PC with 1.2GH. Once they release ASIC, I'll sell GPUs to gamers.
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I like your optimism, but decentralization of bitcoin is getting a huge blow with this trend.

Hmmm... perhaps I know something that you don't.
sr. member
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You Don't Bitcoin 'till You Mint Coin
GPU and FPGA cockroaches are running for the cover and demanding a fork to protect their hides. How hilarious!

Here is a news for you. You can make that fork yourself right now, no need to beg any devs. Just pledge a 50 BTC bounty and someone will make that fork for ya. So stop whining and do the fork I dare you.

The rest of us will stay with Bitcoin that will enjoy Exahashes of hashing power securing it's transactions.

BTW. Consider applying for Whiner in Chief job at RIAA, they will surely understand your angst.


I have 1 GPU running my display and two Bitforce singles from BFLcoin.
I like your optimism, but decentralization of bitcoin is getting a huge blow with this trend.
rjk
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1ngldh
Reading this thread just reminded me of something...

Those dudes who invested on CoinLab must be pulling their hair right now lol
Half a million down the drain ehehehehe
I had to lol a bit at this too; although thy might be able to sell upgrades in the form of jalapenos do you think? Most gamers will spend a bit to boost their stats. Hopefully openbitasic comes along with something competitive.
hero member
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GPU and FPGA cockroaches are running for the cover and demanding a fork to protect their hides. How hilarious!

Here is a news for you. You can make that fork yourself right now, no need to beg any devs. Just pledge a 50 BTC bounty and someone will make that fork for ya. So stop whining and do the fork I dare you.

The rest of us will stay with Bitcoin that will enjoy Exahashes of hashing power securing it's transactions.

BTW. Consider applying for Whiner in Chief job at RIAA, they will surely understand your angst.
sr. member
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Merit: 250
You Don't Bitcoin 'till You Mint Coin
legendary
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Reading this thread just reminded me of something...

Those dudes who invested on CoinLab must be pulling their hair right now lol
Half a million down the drain ehehehehe
donator
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And these Jalapeno thingies, do they ship and perform as advertised? because I'd be interested. Grin
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