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Topic: A question about the release of Darkcoin/Dashcoin - page 2. (Read 4039 times)

legendary
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Facts are more efficient than fud
If Dash really is flawed and vulnerable, it should be easy to raise the funds to attack it while it is, by all accounts, young. Why wait for a juggernaut to get even larger... if anything, prove the flaws and in theory, crush the desire to hold it. There are countless rehashed arguments about the launch and masternodes and this and that. If you don't like the history, don't buy the coins. If you just heard about the launch (which is impressive given that it's now nearly 2 years old) and are displeased or feel betrayed, sell your coins. It's exhausting hearing the same shit over and over again. Masternodes, IX, blockchain voting, DS, etc all didn't exist for months after the initial launch.

Why would it be easy to raise the funds to attack dash? Is there a bounty? Is it substantial enough to pique people's interest? My guess is that it would have to be in the 5 to 6 figure range to adequately motivate an attacker (this is only guess). I'm a theoretical thinker, so I don't need bad things to happen before I see a bad outcome. My guess is that many in the Dash community aren't and will have to see the ship sunk to realize the ship was badly designed.
hero member
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x/dark/dash was never about privacy or instant transactions or distributed consensus

Oh really ?

I've been following this project for almost a year and a half now and as far as I can see that's ALL it's about. The dev team to little else than pursue those precise technical objectives to the exclusion of almost all other priorities.

Maybe you just haven't noticed.


There are people that care about some ideological principle and there are people that care about making money. Dash devs fall into the later category. That is not to say that they are unable to make valuable contributions, but for edduffield its a means to an end. Ive been on this forum on and off since 2013 and i remember when the whole instamine thing happened, i remember the first darkcoin testnets and i also recall distinctly when Evan announced that he was reducing supply from 84mil to whatever it is now. This specific action was pretty fucked up and points to the crux of my criticism of dash.

That is not to say that it wont be successful, lots of successful bullshit in the world a lot less principled than the dash community. I support dash trading on my exchange.
legendary
Activity: 1190
Merit: 1000
If Dash really is flawed and vulnerable, it should be easy to raise the funds to attack it while it is, by all accounts, young. Why wait for a juggernaut to get even larger... if anything, prove the flaws and in theory, crush the desire to hold it.
Why?

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If you don't like the history, don't buy the coins.
But if I don't ask questions how will I know the history?
I actually thought that when I asked the question someone would just point me to where Evan had explained the early release.
legendary
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Just to be clear. If Evan released early so he or others could instamine or just mine early and some people missed out, I don't necessarily think Evan did anything wrong. What I'm concerned about is that it may come up as an issue at some point in the future and negatively impact the project
legendary
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If Dash really is flawed and vulnerable, it should be easy to raise the funds to attack it while it is, by all accounts, young. Why wait for a juggernaut to get even larger... if anything, prove the flaws and in theory, crush the desire to hold it. There are countless rehashed arguments about the launch and masternodes and this and that. If you don't like the history, don't buy the coins. If you just heard about the launch (which is impressive given that it's now nearly 2 years old) and are displeased or feel betrayed, sell your coins. It's exhausting hearing the same shit over and over again. Masternodes, IX, blockchain voting, DS, etc all didn't exist for months after the initial launch.
legendary
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Merit: 1050
Monero Core Team
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Here's TPTB_need_war's post that sums up the deficiencies in instantx and their privacy model (even with evolution's promises). AFAIK Evan has yet to respond.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13293657

Funny thing is I wasn't going to post this, but seeing days attack the attacker post made it a non-decision.

This is the kind of technical discussion about Dash that is needed. What TPTB_need_war is discussing there is the incorrect application of the Binomial Theorem. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binomial_theorem. How this can be construed as "hate" is beyond me. As for developers from other coins raising these issues it is hardly surprising, since highly technically competent people would naturally raise what they see as basic errors.
legendary
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Merit: 1036
Facts are more efficient than fud

A mew thread about Dash's launch ?

How quaint.  Wink


Yes. Another pointless thread on the Dash instamine issue. Dash has way more serious design issues on many levels that make the whole instamine insignificant by comparison.
Where are they being discussed?
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A proper discussion on the technical, regulatory and economic issues that Dash has is far more relevant and useful than this endless instamine debate.
I was assuming that Evan Duffield had at some point provided an explanation for this as it has been pointed out before. It seems a good question to ask.


Here's TPTB_need_war's post that sums up the deficiencies in instantx and their privacy model (even with evolution's promises). AFAIK Evan has yet to respond.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13293657

Funny thing is I wasn't going to post this, but seeing days attack the attacker post made it a non-decision.
member
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Why like 99% who talks about Dash are guys from Monero including a developer? (҂⌣̀_⌣́)

I never cared why Monero developers did a shady launch either and somehow the old crew just left and we have a new group who did not do much since Monero came beside bug fixing. (•̀o•́)ง

It just makes you all look like a certified A class haters really; because you are not competing with technology nor innovation...you are really just hating here on forums on the project and Evan himself.

Go fill Monero Ann thread with new updates at least the developers who are like everywhere " one is a gambler, one is hating on forums about another developer, another is in France with some issue....NO SYNC between all of them" None is working on Monero project it seems that is why it's taking you over a year man. Get things done please I already invested on Monero as well but man should I sell while it makes sense to me to just sell now?

Anyway, I came here like a month ago and I already regretting it, can't handle to much hate feels like internet drama here is getting on a personal level. (҂⌣̀_⌣́)

legendary
Activity: 1190
Merit: 1000

A mew thread about Dash's launch ?

How quaint.  Wink


Yes. Another pointless thread on the Dash instamine issue. Dash has way more serious design issues on many levels that make the whole instamine insignificant by comparison.
Where are they being discussed?
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A proper discussion on the technical, regulatory and economic issues that Dash has is far more relevant and useful than this endless instamine debate.
I was assuming that Evan Duffield had at some point provided an explanation for this as it has been pointed out before. It seems a good question to ask.
legendary
Activity: 2282
Merit: 1050
Monero Core Team

A mew thread about Dash's launch ?

How quaint.  Wink


Yes. Another pointless thread on the Dash instamine issue. Dash has way more serious design issues on many levels that make the whole instamine insignificant by comparison. A proper discussion on the technical, regulatory and economic issues that Dash has is far more relevant and useful than this endless instamine debate.
legendary
Activity: 1190
Merit: 1000

A mew thread about Dash's launch ?

How quaint.  Wink

Well it is just really about one aspect. And from the replies here it seems there was never any acknowledgement or explanation. So we might as well clear it up.
I would like to clear it up anyway so that I can better ascertain dash's prospects, and any risks that may be there
legendary
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A mew thread about Dash's launch ?

How quaint.  Wink
legendary
Activity: 1190
Merit: 1000
I don't see where you answered my question.
What I am concerned about is this. Let's say Dash starts to become more popular and widely used. To the point where journalists and regulators look at it possibly. So as it getting more attention by this stage, people begin to ask about the early launch, and Evan at that point get's asked about it.
That could IMHO lead to problems

You claim the imperfect launch is going to get Dash into trouble? Why?
No, I said it might be a problem. Which is why I am trying ascertain whether Evan ever explained it
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For what reason? Why the fuck would that have any impact? The only thing that's worth a damn is whether the proposed features work or not.
People might not like the idea that Evan appeared to have misled people. IIUC, he told people he would launch at a certain time, but then launched it earlier, and during that time a massive amount of coins were mined.

It just could look bad and make people or regulators avoid Dash, if the project ever starts to take off.

If the proposed features are open source then anyone can copy them, so that may not be such a huge advantage.
legendary
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ninja mined coins are not in circulation (in masternodes) and there was a supply reduction.... of course it will increase in price due to lack of supply Tongue

plus POS masternodes encourages locking coins because you earn interest...less coins in circulation, the rule of "supply and demand" follows.

Yes, Dash has a track record of making development decisions that make the coins people own more valuable.

When the next such development happens, I guess people who don't own any will moan about that too?

i was talking about the supply manipulation not development  Tongue  ....nice twist btw haha
legendary
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LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
I don't see where you answered my question.
What I am concerned about is this. Let's say Dash starts to become more popular and widely used. To the point where journalists and regulators look at it possibly. So as it getting more attention by this stage, people begin to ask about the early launch, and Evan at that point get's asked about it.
That could IMHO lead to problems

You claim the imperfect launch is going to get Dash into trouble? Why?
For what reason? Why the fuck would that have any impact? The only thing that's worth a damn is whether the proposed features work or not.

InstantX works
But the launch wasn't perfect!
DarkSend works
But the launch wasn't perfect!
Masternodes work
But the launch wasn't perfect!
Decentralized Governance works
But the launch wasn't yada yada yada....

How does the launch time have any impact on those features?
Do you have any idea how ridiculous this whole topic is?

In conclusion:
Your question is answered by common sense: It doesn't matter.

PS:
And if common sense is to you "hand waving" generalizethis, I must rightfully doubt your sanity, no matter what you say.

It would have an effect because your own developer mislead people who were waiting for the launch into believing that the launch time was much later than he actually did launch it.

You can remove the the cuss words at any time because it shows your emotions are possibly getting the best of you when answering a completely neutral party who has just an honest question to ask.
legendary
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constantly delivered on his feature promises for almost two years

That's not even true, as I know there was a list of at least three features he promised and did not deliver that was posted on the Dash thread. The response was that he decided to change the priorities/direction of development, which by itself is probably reasonable except that it does not equate to having constantly delivered on his feature promises.

Anyway, that is off topic to this thread, which is about the release/launch. Feel free to create another thread about the feature promises of Dash and maybe people will want to discuss it.
legendary
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LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
Yeah stop pretending to care about OPs question when you just hijacked the opportunity to rant about Dash: The only purpose of this sock puppet account.


The question was fully answered by me and my quotations.

/thread

You appear to be really butthurt.

Instead of addressing the issue directly without hand waving you resort then to subtle personal attacks and putting words into people's mouths (or hinting at motivations with no proof).

 
legendary
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LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
It is true once they see you succeed, they all come barking at you. Why don't you do some development instead of coming to forums? it is sad watching people hating because Dash doing something they couldn't even think of because IF they did they would already be having what Dash has instant transactions/Governance model/ two tier network, and more....really man do something instead of really just hating. I just invested on Dash and I already feeling the hate -,-

He asked a question about the early launch, and since the answer doesn't reflect well for dash, you are hand waving about jealousy and supposed innovations--honestly, I'd love to dig into dash's clumsy technology, but this hardly seems the time and place and there are plenty of threads that have outlined these failures, but I doubt you want to bring those issues to light.

I just don't get the hate, you obviously just don't like Dash and wish that Dash investors lose ALL their money so you can feel happy. But even if you say that I did my research and even asked questions and I knew about what's bad/good about Dash and Monero "since you support it and fanboying about it" at the end nor you or you're developers who are all about gambling with no development over a year here saying this coin is bad and that coin is bad...why don't you tell us why your'e great instead? what innovations have you created that I can actually compare you with Dash? and please just stop the hate i've seen you're history just now (•̀o•́)ง

How is it obvious that he wants dash investors to lose their money?

You are once again hand waving to distract from the issue at hand.

Ever think he is not for people losing money in dash and instead is wanting to out the truth of the shadiness or dash and its developer and their past for current and future investors not to make decisions based on lies?
legendary
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Life, Love and Laughter...

Is this correct, or have I been misled?

If it is correct , did Evan Duffield ever explain why, the release time was moved?

Yes, this is correct.

And no, he never explained the early launch.

I'm just trying to think through what might happen if Dash ever tried to become well known or widely used. I imagine if it ever started to become widely used Evan would have to explain what went on

If you are trying to think this through, maybe it would help to actually read his account of events here:

https://dashdot.io/alpha/?page_id=118

Why should anyone take what Evan says as truth when he has been caught lying several times?

Because we the crowd are stupid.  I can see Evan laughing at this comment.
legendary
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LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper

Is this correct, or have I been misled?

If it is correct , did Evan Duffield ever explain why, the release time was moved?

Yes, this is correct.

And no, he never explained the early launch.

I'm just trying to think through what might happen if Dash ever tried to become well known or widely used. I imagine if it ever started to become widely used Evan would have to explain what went on

If you are trying to think this through, maybe it would help to actually read his account of events here:

https://dashdot.io/alpha/?page_id=118

Why should anyone take what Evan says as truth when he has been caught lying several times?
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