Dash is a certified instamined scam with a intentional failed release to get rid of every miner waiting to get in on announced release.
Topic: A question about the release of Darkcoin/Dashcoin - page 3. (Read 4046 times)
Why did Even Dunfield had to ninja mine it?
Some of those things on your list are flawed and/or don't work very well
LOL. "Some". Nice choice of words.
ONE feature of Dash, namely DarkSend is being criticized for taking too long to mix. Big whoop! I'd rather wait to mix my coins, than risk being retroactively deanonymized like XMR is being in danger of.
Besides DarkSend is going to be integrated into Dash Evolution anyway, which makes every transaction anonymous by default.
So again: What is "flawed"? Incentivized nodes which Evan Duffield invented? InstantX which Evan Duffield invented? Decentralized Governance by Blockchain which Evan Duffield invented?
I trust a developer that has constantly delivered on his feature promises for almost two years. What does your dev team have to show for? Name a single innovation of Monero besides cloning a scam-coin.
I don't see where you answered my question.
What I am concerned about is this. Let's say Dash starts to become more popular and widely used. To the point where journalists and regulators look at it possibly. So as it getting more attention by this stage, people begin to ask about the early launch, and Evan at that point get's asked about it.
That could IMHO lead to problems
What I am concerned about is this. Let's say Dash starts to become more popular and widely used. To the point where journalists and regulators look at it possibly. So as it getting more attention by this stage, people begin to ask about the early launch, and Evan at that point get's asked about it.
That could IMHO lead to problems
You claim the imperfect launch is going to get Dash into trouble? Why?
For what reason? Why the fuck would that have any impact? The only thing that's worth a damn is whether the proposed features work or not.
InstantX works
But the launch wasn't perfect!
DarkSend works
But the launch wasn't perfect!
Masternodes work
But the launch wasn't perfect!
Decentralized Governance works
But the launch wasn't yada yada yada....
How does the launch time have any impact on those features?
Do you have any idea how ridiculous this whole topic is?
In conclusion:
Your question is answered by common sense: It doesn't matter.
PS:
And if common sense is to you "hand waving" generalizethis, I must rightfully doubt your sanity, no matter what you say.
Some of those things on your list are flawed and/or don't work very well and illustrates that trusting someone with shady credibility will lead to faulty presumptions about the product (especially in technology). The OP believes people will think the strangely timed launch is an issue, you don't--why make a big deal about it if you truly believe you are correct; the market will agree with you.
I don't see where you answered my question.
What I am concerned about is this. Let's say Dash starts to become more popular and widely used. To the point where journalists and regulators look at it possibly. So as it getting more attention by this stage, people begin to ask about the early launch, and Evan at that point get's asked about it.
That could IMHO lead to problems
What I am concerned about is this. Let's say Dash starts to become more popular and widely used. To the point where journalists and regulators look at it possibly. So as it getting more attention by this stage, people begin to ask about the early launch, and Evan at that point get's asked about it.
That could IMHO lead to problems
You claim the imperfect launch is going to get Dash into trouble? Why?
For what reason? Why the fuck would that have any impact? The only thing that's worth a damn is whether the proposed features work or not.
InstantX works
But the launch wasn't perfect!
DarkSend works
But the launch wasn't perfect!
Masternodes work
But the launch wasn't perfect!
Decentralized Governance works
But the launch wasn't yada yada yada....
How does the launch time have any impact on those features?
Do you have any idea how ridiculous this whole topic is?
In conclusion:
Your question is answered by common sense: It doesn't matter.
PS:
And if common sense is to you "hand waving" generalizethis, I must rightfully doubt your sanity, no matter what you say.
Yeah stop pretending to care about OPs question when you just hijacked the opportunity to rant about Dash: The only purpose of this sock puppet account.
The question was fully answered by me and my quotations.
/thread
The question was fully answered by me and my quotations.
/thread
Sigh. Again you can start a Monero versus dash thread if you want or raise the old one from the dead, but Evan's answer in your post doesn't answer why he launched in an impromptu manner robbing those who went to bed of the early mining opportunity. Reread what he said, "We launched later.." he then tries to explain the instamine. He never explains why people went to bed thinking the coin was relaunched without any formal announcement.
Maybe an explanation exists, but it's not in your quoted material.
Holy shit.
Is that true?
A badly coordinated launch and some people were caught off guard?
Oh fuck!
How much coin did he steal from all those poor miners in those couple of hours?
Dear God! This is the final nail in the coffin of Dash!
Screw all the technology the team created since then! The launch is holy and must be perfect!!! FUCK I'MA SELL RIGHT NOW!!!
Yep. That's what I would say if I was as obsessed and lunatic as the average XMR-troll.
TL;DR: Idgaf about that. Neither does any other sane person.
Again the questions were if the launch happened early (it did) and did Evan explain why it happened early (acknowledged, yes/explained, no). I'm hardly insane for knowing the subtle difference between explained and acknowledged. But good luck on your investment.
I don't even see where he "acknowledged" launching early. All he said is "when we relaunched" but nothing about timing at all.
He acknowledges the failed first launch and then jumps to the relaunch. So in macrochip's quoted material, he did fail to even acknowledge that it was early. Wonder if the timing of the relaunch has ever come up to him before? Can't imagine it hasn't. Wasn't there an Illodin post addressing this right after the fact?
Yeah stop pretending to care about OPs question when you just hijacked the opportunity to rant about Dash: The only purpose of this sock puppet account.
The question was fully answered by me and my quotations.
/thread
The question was fully answered by me and my quotations.
/thread
I don't see where you answered my question.
What I am concerned about is this. Let's say Dash starts to become more popular and widely used. To the point where journalists and regulators look at it possibly. So as it getting more attention by this stage, people begin to ask about the early launch, and Evan at that point get's asked about it.
That could IMHO lead to problems
It is true once they see you succeed, they all come barking at you. Why don't you do some development instead of coming to forums? it is sad watching people hating because Dash doing something they couldn't even think of because IF they did they would already be having what Dash has instant transactions/Governance model/ two tier network, and more....really man do something instead of really just hating. I just invested on Dash and I already feeling the hate -,-
He asked a question about the early launch, and since the answer doesn't reflect well for dash, you are hand waving about jealousy and supposed innovations--honestly, I'd love to dig into dash's clumsy technology, but this hardly seems the time and place and there are plenty of threads that have outlined these failures, but I doubt you want to bring those issues to light.
I just don't get the hate, you obviously just don't like Dash and wish that Dash investors lose ALL their money so you can feel happy. But even if you say that I did my research and even asked questions and I knew about what's bad/good about Dash and Monero "since you support it and fanboying about it" at the end nor you or you're developers who are all about gambling with no development over a year here saying this coin is bad and that coin is bad...why don't you tell us why your'e great instead? what innovations have you created that I can actually compare you with Dash? and please just stop the hate i've seen you're history just now (•̀o•́)ง
Yeah stop pretending to care about OPs question when you just hijacked the opportunity to rant about Dash: The only purpose of this sock puppet account.
The question was fully answered by me and my quotations.
/thread
The question was fully answered by me and my quotations.
/thread
Sigh. Again you can start a Monero versus dash thread if you want or raise the old one from the dead, but Evan's answer in your post doesn't answer why he launched in an impromptu manner robbing those who went to bed of the early mining opportunity. Reread what he said, "We launched later.." he then tries to explain the instamine. He never explains why people went to bed thinking the coin was relaunched without any formal announcement.
Maybe an explanation exists, but it's not in your quoted material.
Holy shit.
Is that true?
A badly coordinated launch and some people were caught off guard?
Oh fuck!
How much coin did he steal from all those poor miners in those couple of hours?
Dear God! This is the final nail in the coffin of Dash!
Screw all the technology the team created since then! The launch is holy and must be perfect!!! FUCK I'MA SELL RIGHT NOW!!!
Yep. That's what I would say if I was as obsessed and lunatic as the average XMR-troll.
TL;DR: Idgaf about that. Neither does any other sane person.
Again the questions were if the launch happened early (it did) and did Evan explain why it happened early (acknowledged, yes/explained, no). I'm hardly insane for knowing the subtle difference between explained and acknowledged. But good luck on your investment.
I don't even see where he "acknowledged" launching early. All he said is "when we relaunched" but nothing about timing at all.
Yeah stop pretending to care about OPs question when you just hijacked the opportunity to rant about Dash: The only purpose of this sock puppet account.
The question was fully answered by me and my quotations.
/thread
The question was fully answered by me and my quotations.
/thread
Sigh. Again you can start a Monero versus dash thread if you want or raise the old one from the dead, but Evan's answer in your post doesn't answer why he launched in an impromptu manner robbing those who went to bed of the early mining opportunity. Reread what he said, "We launched later.." he then tries to explain the instamine. He never explains why people went to bed thinking the coin was relaunched without any formal announcement.
Maybe an explanation exists, but it's not in your quoted material.
Holy shit.
Is that true?
A badly coordinated launch and some people were caught off guard?
Oh fuck!
How much coin did he steal from all those poor miners in those couple of hours?
Dear God! This is the final nail in the coffin of Dash!
Screw all the technology the team created since then! The launch is holy and must be perfect!!! FUCK I'MA SELL RIGHT NOW!!!
Yep. That's what I would say if I was as obsessed and lunatic as the average XMR-troll.
TL;DR: Idgaf about that. Neither does any other sane person.
Again the questions were if the launch happened early (it did) and did Evan explain why it happened early (acknowledged, yes/explained, no). I'm hardly insane for knowing the subtle difference between explained and acknowledged. But good luck on your investment.
Yeah stop pretending to care about OPs question when you just hijacked the opportunity to rant about Dash: The only purpose of this sock puppet account.
The question was fully answered by me and my quotations.
/thread
The question was fully answered by me and my quotations.
/thread
Sigh. Again you can start a Monero versus dash thread if you want or raise the old one from the dead, but Evan's answer in your post doesn't answer why he launched in an impromptu manner robbing those who went to bed of the early mining opportunity. Reread what he said, "We launched later.." he then tries to explain the instamine. He never explains why people went to bed thinking the coin was relaunched without any formal announcement.
Maybe an explanation exists, but it's not in your quoted material.
Holy shit.
Is that true?
A badly coordinated launch by someone with a non-crypto full-time job and some people were caught off guard?
Oh fuck!
How much coin did he and he alone steal from all those poor miners in those couple of hours as the sole miner?
Because nobody on the entire planet was awake at that moment, right?!
Dear God! This is the final nail in the coffin of Dash!
Screw all the technology the team created since then! The launch is holy and must be perfect!!! FUCK I'MA SELL RIGHT NOW!!!
Yep. That's what I would say if I was as obsessed and lunatic as the average XMR-troll.
TL;DR: Idgaf about that. Neither does any other sane person.
Yeah stop pretending to care about OPs question when you just hijacked the opportunity to rant about Dash: The only purpose of this sock puppet account.
The question was fully answered by me and my quotations.
/thread
The question was fully answered by me and my quotations.
/thread
Sigh. Again you can start a Monero versus dash thread if you want or raise the old one from the dead, but Evan's answer in your post doesn't answer why he launched in an impromptu manner robbing those who went to bed of the early mining opportunity. Reread what he said, "We launched later.." he then tries to explain the instamine. He never explains why people went to bed thinking the coin was relaunched without any formal announcement.
Maybe an explanation exists, but it's not in your quoted material.
*Also, Macrochiponhisshoulders, did I really need to add that Evan never answered why he launched early in a satisfactorily way? "We launched later" doesn't qualify as to explaining why those who went to bed thinking there was a later launch got shafted by a impromptu launch.
a) Yes you have to. People don't read your lunatic mind.
b) "Satisfactory" is a bullshit excuse you just made up after being caught lying.
c) Evan doesn't owe you shit. He gave his viewpoint on the issue. Whether you're "satisfied" or not doesn't matter. Plus YOU don't decide what's "satisfactory" or not. People do it on their own just fine.
Yeah stop pretending to care about OPs question when you just hijacked the opportunity to rant about Dash: The only purpose of this sock puppet account.
The question was fully answered by me and my quotations.
/thread
The question was fully answered by me and my quotations.
/thread
It is true once they see you succeed, they all come barking at you. Why don't you do some development instead of coming to forums? it is sad watching people hating because Dash doing something they couldn't even think of because IF they did they would already be having what Dash has instant transactions/Governance model/ two tier network, and more....really man do something instead of really just hating. I just invested on Dash and I already feeling the hate -,-
He asked a question about the early launch, and since the answer doesn't reflect well for dash, you are hand waving about jealousy and supposed innovations--honestly, I'd love to dig into dash's clumsy technology, but this hardly seems the time and place and there are plenty of threads that have outlined these failures, but I doubt you want to bring those issues to light.
I just don't get the hate, you obviously just don't like Dash and wish that Dash investors lose ALL their money so you can feel happy. But even if you say that I did my research and even asked questions and I knew about what's bad/good about Dash and Monero "since you support it and fanboying about it" at the end nor you or you're developers who are all about gambling with no development over a year here saying this coin is bad and that coin is bad...why don't you tell us why your'e great instead? what innovations have you created that I can actually compare you with Dash? and please just stop the hate i've seen you're history just now (•̀o•́)ง
Again, the OP asked a question, so no reason to hand wave and get it off topic. You can revisit the drk vs. xmr thread if you feel like you have a new comparison that benefits dash. You can also look at Monero speculation or the Monero ANN page or r/monero if you are looking for a discussion on Monero's innovations.
*Also, Macrochiponhisshoulders, did I really need to add that Evan never answered why he launched early in a satisfactorily way? "We launched later" doesn't qualify as to explaining why those who went to bed thinking there was a later launch got shafted by a impromptu launch.
why don't you tell us why your'e great instead? what innovations have you created that I can actually compare you with Dash?
He has nothing to show for. Zero. Zip. Nada. That's why he's pissed.
In the entire year of 2015 Monero has achieved... let me count.... umm... cleaning up the codebase.... umm.. oh yeah: NOTHING
Yeah. 365 days of zero achievement. Do I really have to list what Dash has achieved in 2015? How much time do you have?
Suffice it to say it revolutionized the entire fucking paradigm on how we govern cryptocurrency projects. Precisely the problem Bitcoin in its very foundation is facing this very moment. Solved. By Evan Duffield & Team. Go figure.
Is this correct, or have I been misled?
If it is correct , did Evan Duffield ever explain why, the release time was moved?
Yes, this is correct.
And no, he never explained the early launch.
Yeah typical. Lying was always his strong suit. Never saw a single rational argument from him.
Anyway, since people nowadays can't even be bothered to click a fucking link, let me dish it out directly:
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Launch
It was January 18, 2014 and I had everything ready or so I thought. I announced the launch of Darkcoin (XCoin at the time) on BitcoinTalk. We launched later and immediately got stuck on block 42, I was new to the Bitcoin codebase and wasn’t sure what I missed so I announced we’d relaunch later.
When we relaunched we had a rush of miners join causing a huge spike of coin production without it being able to adjust the difficulty quick enough, we just ended up spilling out coins. Retargeting happened every 576 blocks and could only increase the difficulty by four times, so it took about six retargets to get to a difficulty that was near 2.5 minutes per block.
Later on, after the difficulty evened out we realized that there was a serious problem with the block reward calculation. You can see people discussing the problems here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.120
I soon fixed this issue at block 4500, but none of us realized the amount of coins that had been issued at the time. At that point we didn’t even have a block explorer yet.
It was January 18, 2014 and I had everything ready or so I thought. I announced the launch of Darkcoin (XCoin at the time) on BitcoinTalk. We launched later and immediately got stuck on block 42, I was new to the Bitcoin codebase and wasn’t sure what I missed so I announced we’d relaunch later.
When we relaunched we had a rush of miners join causing a huge spike of coin production without it being able to adjust the difficulty quick enough, we just ended up spilling out coins. Retargeting happened every 576 blocks and could only increase the difficulty by four times, so it took about six retargets to get to a difficulty that was near 2.5 minutes per block.
Later on, after the difficulty evened out we realized that there was a serious problem with the block reward calculation. You can see people discussing the problems here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.120
I soon fixed this issue at block 4500, but none of us realized the amount of coins that had been issued at the time. At that point we didn’t even have a block explorer yet.
Source: The Birth of Darkcoin
Evan talks about the launch in this interview as well:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNZcO2vm7Jc&feature=youtu.be&t=791
Plus he made numerous statements about the launch in Q&As, other interviews and dozens of forum posts. That topic is the only (laughable) critic trolltards ever came up with for two years achieving nothing.
Oh yeah: Yelling "Dash is broken" all day without proving that it actually is doesn't make Dash look bad. It only makes you look like a complete idiot.
It is true once they see you succeed, they all come barking at you. Why don't you do some development instead of coming to forums? it is sad watching people hating because Dash doing something they couldn't even think of because IF they did they would already be having what Dash has instant transactions/Governance model/ two tier network, and more....really man do something instead of really just hating. I just invested on Dash and I already feeling the hate -,-
He asked a question about the early launch, and since the answer doesn't reflect well for dash, you are hand waving about jealousy and supposed innovations--honestly, I'd love to dig into dash's clumsy technology, but this hardly seems the time and place and there are plenty of threads that have outlined these failures, but I doubt you want to bring those issues to light.
I just don't get the hate, you obviously just don't like Dash and wish that Dash investors lose ALL their money so you can feel happy. But even if you say that I did my research and even asked questions and I knew about what's bad/good about Dash and Monero "since you support it and fanboying about it" at the end nor you or you're developers who are all about gambling with no development over a year here saying this coin is bad and that coin is bad...why don't you tell us why your'e great instead? what innovations have you created that I can actually compare you with Dash? and please just stop the hate i've seen you're history just now (•̀o•́)ง
It is true once they see you succeed, they all come barking at you. Why don't you do some development instead of coming to forums? it is sad watching people hating because Dash doing something they couldn't even think of because IF they did they would already be having what Dash has instant transactions/Governance model/ two tier network, and more....really man do something instead of really just hating. I just invested on Dash and I already feeling the hate -,-
He asked a question about the early launch, and since the answer doesn't reflect well for dash, you are hand waving about jealousy and supposed innovations--honestly, I'd love to dig into dash's clumsy technology, but this hardly seems the time and place and there are plenty of threads that have outlined these failures, but I doubt you want to bring those issues to light.
It is true once they see you succeed, they all come barking at you. Why don't you do some development instead of coming to forums? it is sad watching people hating because Dash doing something they couldn't even think of because IF they did they would already be having what Dash has instant transactions/Governance model/ two tier network, and more....really man do something instead of really just hating. I just invested on Dash and I already feeling the hate -,-
I am a bit skeptical of Dash, but I've been wrong before and I could be wrong about Dash. So, I have a question.
IIUC when Darkcoin/Dash was first released Evan Duffield told people that mining would start at a certain time. However (and again this is my understanding and I could be wrong), Evan then went and issued it early with the result that miners who had believed it would be released as he had said missed the early mining stage when many (?) coins were released/mined.
Is this correct, or have I been misled?
If it is correct , did Evan Duffield ever explain why, the release time was moved?
IIUC when Darkcoin/Dash was first released Evan Duffield told people that mining would start at a certain time. However (and again this is my understanding and I could be wrong), Evan then went and issued it early with the result that miners who had believed it would be released as he had said missed the early mining stage when many (?) coins were released/mined.
Is this correct, or have I been misled?
If it is correct , did Evan Duffield ever explain why, the release time was moved?
You have been misled
I don't think so.
Ok now it insta crashes when I type "setgenerate true".
Time to go to bed and try again next week?
Yeah, let's do that. I obviously need to do some more testing. Thanks everyone!
Best thing to do I guess. Please, confirm you won't be launching after some minutes/hours even if you fix it, and the sooner would be tomorrow, thanks.
Definitely not. I'll also follow up with this post when I do set a time.
Launch is being moved to 11PM EST!
... seriously?
Just woke up to this
How many hours have I lost? Oh, well. Time to git pull and launch it again.Jump to: