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Quote from: hilariousandco on June 08, 2021, 01:39:33 AM

Maybe it would be best to encourage people to just block users who PM them offers and only take action with bans if it's done en mass. I don't think people should be spamming users with offers but I also don't think someone should have to be worried about being banned just for sending one PM.

Is that how you would personally handle such a case? If someone reports a user for sending him an unsolicited PM about working with him, would you ignore the report and maybe warn that individual that he got reported and shouldn't do it again?

Quote from: hilariousandco on June 08, 2021, 01:39:33 AM

On at least one forum I've been on before they allow users to set a pre-message that is shown before you PM them and sometimes users have stated they don't want to receive unsolicited messages or offers about certain things and maybe that would be helpful here.

I have seen that on other forums as well, but I am not sure our current forum software supports such a feature. @theymos does it? Maybe it could be proposed as a feature when the new forum software gets rolled out. A notification stating a user is not interested in any offers could make the difference.

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Quote from: lovesmayfamilis on June 07, 2021, 10:41:00 AM

I wonder what attracted the META theme lately, these two accounts?
Do you only own two accounts, or would you like to express your opinion on four more of your accounts?
Why can't you tell everything in one post?

Worst of all, he goes around and bumps threads that were inactive for months (which I reported) without adding anything new and just writing some generic crap. It that's some merit farming attempt, its pretty weak one.

Some short temporary ban should be issued for accounts like that one.

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Maybe it would be best to encourage people to just block users who PM them offers and only take action with bans if it's done en mass. I don't think people should be spamming users with offers but I also don't think someone should have to be worried about being banned just for sending one PM. It's really subjective to what is spam or not and I'm sure someone would be ok with a PM from me regrading certain things but not a Newbie etc. On at least one forum I've been on before they allow users to set a pre-message that is shown before you PM them and sometimes users have stated they don't want to receive unsolicited messages or offers about certain things and maybe that would be helpful here.

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Quote from: lovesmayfamilis on June 07, 2021, 10:41:00 AM

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Pretty sure Cryptoflirt and Cryptojurnalist are also alt of Delight Media/Delightcrypto1.
These four almost always seem to follow each other's reply.
They seem to even encourage "farming accounts" in the last image, which a no-no.

Cryptoflirt and Cryptojurnalist even have short gap based on their Registration Date.
I am pretty sure four of them are into farming accounts.

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Quote from: Delightcrypto1 on June 06, 2021, 05:13:08 PM

If there is anything I must like about this forum is for the fact that it connect people all over the world and it never segregate anyone. So for that reason i suggest unsolicited message should be welcome.

Quote from: Delight Media on June 07, 2021, 05:42:58 AM

We all have different purpose of being here in the forum but it's sure that whatever purpose it shouldn't go outside the may reason why this forum is created. Remember this forum connect the global world together and we can all share idea and thought regarding bitcoin and other altcoin relatives issues. So some one may decide to send unsolicited message to anybody is so sure can help him fix a problem instead of overloading this forum with problem that can be resolve with us.

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I wonder what attracted the META theme lately, these two accounts?
Do you only own two accounts, or would you like to express your opinion on four more of your accounts?
Why can't you tell everything in one post?

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Quote from: Cryptoflirt on June 07, 2021, 06:15:27 AM

This topic would have been considered important if the author would have plead the mod to include setting that may allowed or deny unsolicited message.

You mean you would like to have an option to disable all incoming private messages from all forum members? Something like: allow PMs, Yes or NO?! How else would the system/forum recognize if the PM is unsolicited or not?

The option to prevent newbies to PM you is enabled by default. I think that is sufficient. I have received all kind of PMs throughout the years, from links to "lifechanging projects that will make me rich Roll Eyes

, to merit begging and questions if I can lend someone a bit of money. I usually just ignore those.

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Quote from: libert19 on June 06, 2021, 10:13:46 PM

has anyone here ever got reported/banned for sending 'unsolicited' dm?

Yes.

Banning a users for sending unsolicited message seems not right to me because the users may have a pressing issues that needs to be address which the user may think it will get mod if send to the forum. And this users just feel the best is to PM someone. I think the mod needs to reconsider such users except being that the users is sending message that's against the forum use. For instance begging money or trying to convince someone of fakes goods.

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Unsolicited message shouldn't be an issues or problem to be handled by forum. Unsolicited message to me is a personal issues. This topic would have been considered important if the author would have plead the mod to include setting that may allowed or deny unsolicited message.

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We all have different purpose of being here in the forum but it's sure that whatever purpose it shouldn't go outside the may reason why this forum is created. Remember this forum connect the global world together and we can all share idea and thought regarding bitcoin and other altcoin relatives issues. So some one may decide to send unsolicited message to anybody is so sure can help him fix a problem instead of overloading this forum with problem that can be resolve with us.

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Quote from: libert19 on June 06, 2021, 10:13:46 PM

has anyone here ever got reported/banned for sending 'unsolicited' dm?

Yes.

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Better question, has anyone here ever got reported/banned for sending 'unsolicited' dm?

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If there is anything I must like about this forum is for the fact that it connect people all over the world and it never segregate anyone. So for that reason i suggest unsolicited message should be welcome.

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It's a grey and dicey area for sure but they're taken on a case by case basis. I'd generally urge people not to message people unless you know they're ok with receiving it but I know that's not something you can always know. I get PMs sometimes pointing me to things like free give away threads I might be interested in and that's fine by me but I also know some people have reported those same PMs as spam so you're walking a tight-rope when you send things like that.

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Quote from: Pmalek on May 30, 2021, 04:35:13 AM

Can he report me for sending unsolicited PMs, and am I breaking the rules?

Anyone can report anything, I assume the Admins use their own judgement.

They do, but IMO that's the problem with the rule--it's way too vague and the penalty for breaking it can be quite severe (up to a permaban if I'm not mistaken).

You're almost certainly not going to get a permaban unless you send phishing links or threats via pm.

Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on May 30, 2021, 10:14:45 AM

It would be nice if either the rule was rewritten or was clarified by Theymos as to exactly what is and isn't acceptable, because as it stands it's almost as though he doesn't want anyone receiving a PM from anyone else unless it was "solicited".

But anything unwanted can be spam and there's no way you can put a set, definitive rule on it. Some people might be ok with receiving something whereas other's won't be.

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Quote from: tranthidung on May 30, 2021, 09:43:28 PM

I don't know about the faucet donation (did not search for it) from BitcoinFX but the person exchanged pizza for Bitcoin with Lazlo. Are you aware of this story? Grin

Yeah, it happened. I took another look and he sent 500 bitcoins to the faucet back in 2010.

Here is the part of one of my threads where I talk about that:

Quote from: Pmalek on January 03, 2021, 04:14:34 AM

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The last case of exemplary community behaviour comes from BitcoinFX in 2010. This is connected to Gavin’s faucet that I talked about in example #3. When BitcoinFX saw Gavin’s request for someone to refill the faucet, BitcoinFX made a donation of 500 bitcoins.

Here is that post and the hash of the transaction.

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500 BTC Donation incoming to the Faucet !

~ Only original Bitcoin users will ever understand the true economic value of Pizzas and Haircuts. Bitcoin for ALL
Source: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7536

Yeah, I remember those messages he exchanged with Lazlo as well

Quote from: ScamViruS on May 31, 2021, 02:00:52 AM

No one will report your pm without a reason. Sending an invite message for the interview has not resulted in any bad activities. But not everyone's thinking is the same, so that someone may find your PM unsolicited and report it.

You can never know what intentions someone has for reporting something. Maybe if multiple people reported him for sending them PMs they never wanted to receive and consider it spam, something would have happened. We don't know.

That's why I am hoping one of the admins will pop by and offer his view on the whole unsolicited PM theory.

I am even thinking of a scenario where one could frame someone for sending him and multiple other people unsolicited PMs and then reporting that person. Of course, I am not going to give anyone any ideas of what I am talking about. Depending on how strict admins are with that rule, it could get the person in trouble.

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Quote from: zasad@ on May 30, 2021, 06:41:09 AM

I had to send over 1000 interview invitations
in 6 months
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/interviews-with-bitcointalk-members-5262967
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No one will report your pm without a reason. Sending an invite message for the interview has not resulted in any bad activities. But not everyone's thinking is the same, so that someone may find your PM unsolicited and report it.

If someone reports that the account your will not be banned, because the thing does not work that way. There are moderates to judge whether it is really unsolicited or not. And I think temp ban is not reasonable for such PM.

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Quote from: Pmalek on May 30, 2021, 09:59:09 AM

Quote from: tranthidung on May 30, 2021, 08:08:19 AM

BitcoinFX, isn't that the guy who donated 100s of bitcoins to Gavin's faucet back in the day? I think I remember that from a thread I wrote some time ago. Thanks for bringing that up as an example of what can happen in such situations.

I don't know about the faucet donation (did not search for it) from BitcoinFX but the person exchanged pizza for Bitcoin with Lazlo. Are you aware of this story? Grin

Quote from: BitcoinFX on May 21, 2010, 04:12:36 PM

laszlo I would offer to buy you a pizza, but I'm not based in the USA, so they might think I'm a prank caller.

If you don't get any other offers I might look into how to go about buying you one online.

Are you getting hungry or do you just like pizza ? Cheesy

Quote from: BitcoinFX on August 18, 2010, 12:12:03 PM

Quote from: laszlo on May 28, 2010, 07:02:15 AM

Thanks for the trade BitcoinFX!

Your welcome laszlo ! ( delayed response - lol ) I hope you enjoyed your Pizza

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Quote from: zasad@ on May 30, 2021, 05:04:26 PM

I cannot know how many users will complain about my messages and neither do you.
Each case is considered individually. A moderator always knows more information than a regular user.
And we can only be guided by our experience and opinion.
It is better not to write commercial offers to unfamiliar users.

I dont think your invite mesaagw would be consider as unsolicited based on the rule. Everyone knew the purpose of your invite and if someone reported you for such pm that would be so lame. Its not worth of receiving a temp ban for this.

Ive pm some of the reputable members on this chat but so far they didnt report me so i guess only those whom look like flooding or really advertise something receives a ban. Anyway we can noticed it as newbies and low rank usually do this. ( bot accounts)

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Quote from: Pmalek on May 30, 2021, 09:59:09 AM

Quote from: zasad@ on May 30, 2021, 06:41:09 AM

I had to send over 1000 interview invitations in 6 months

Yes, but the question is, what would have happened if I, someone else, 5, 10, or more people reported you for sending unsolicited PMs? Would you have received a temp ban or maybe a permanent one? Or would the admins not have looked at it that way at all or simply warned you to stop?

I cannot know how many users will complain about my messages and neither do you.
Each case is considered individually. A moderator always knows more information than a regular user.
And we can only be guided by our experience and opinion.
It is better not to write commercial offers to unfamiliar users.

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Quote from: Pmalek on May 30, 2021, 09:59:09 AM

Quote from: suchmoon on May 30, 2021, 08:39:24 AM

PM is for something that you don't need to be public and you better be sure that the recipient is not an asshole who would report it and/or publish it without permission.

That's what I thought. It comes down to whether or not it will get reported. The consequences will depend on the friendliness or assholeness of the PM receiver and the mod making the call.

Well, it's a personal message. You either know the person well enough, or you have a very good reason to send them a PM, or just don't do it.

In my experience, senders tend to be assholes far more often than recipients so this is really not a big issue. I never had to think "will this get reported" while sending a PM and even though I don't know if any of my PMs got reported, I haven't been banned or warned yet. So I think if you don't go crazy with mass spam or some idiocy like begging for merit or soliciting ponzi investments - you'll be fine.

Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on May 30, 2021, 10:14:45 AM

They do, but IMO that's the problem with the rule--it's way too vague and the penalty for breaking it can be quite severe (up to a permaban if I'm not mistaken).

I think that's very unlikely unless it's a useless newbie account, or the PM violates some other strict rule (like death threats or malware for example). Usually it's a temp ban.

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Unsolicited PMs reports have been handling by humans, not by AI. So I believe forum moderators know what was the intention of the PM's and obviously they would have a standard to handle unsolicited PMs as well. That's why all moderators aren't involved with handling PMs. If you ask someone if he is interested or not working with you then you should have a clue why are you asking this question. Otherwise, still, it should consider unsolicited PM IMO. Moderators punish based depth of the reported PM how it is Unsolicited. There wouldn't a few limited rules of Unsolicited PM which shouldn't send to others.

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