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Quote from: len01 on March 13, 2023, 11:34:30 AM

Quote from: piebeyb on March 13, 2023, 03:30:18 AM

most of them are also novice gamblers trying to cheat the bonuses provided and they are caught then all the money and accounts are frozen, it all starts with promotions wrapped up by marketing so gamblers come who take advantage of opportunities and cheat to get a lot of money, but in the end they lose a lot of money in trap because everything is frozen, it's sad Cheesy

what's even sadder is that when beginners try to take advantage of bonuses using multiple accounts and in the end they are detected by the system and have their funds frozen, they are still doing this at other casinos. even though they know that it has violated the rules and if detected they will lose their funds again.

so sometimes it's very stupid for someone to take advantage of a bonus that ends up being frozen but still repeats mistakes at other casinos like committing suicide several times.

No, we don't need to feel sad or bad about them because what they are doing there is not good anyway and I am sure they already know it to themselves even if they are a newbie and yet they still have the courage to continue. They think they are smarter than these casinos lying around but they did not know that the casinos already expected these things to happen so they already prepared different security measures in order to detect such kind of activity.

I don't think this was a like a suicide because they have nothing to risk here. They are not doing a KYC and they are no way of depositing their money. They are wise too despite of being a newbie.

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Quote from: piebeyb on March 13, 2023, 03:30:18 AM

most of them are also novice gamblers trying to cheat the bonuses provided and they are caught then all the money and accounts are frozen, it all starts with promotions wrapped up by marketing so gamblers come who take advantage of opportunities and cheat to get a lot of money, but in the end they lose a lot of money in trap because everything is frozen, it's sad Cheesy

what's even sadder is that when beginners try to take advantage of bonuses using multiple accounts and in the end they are detected by the system and have their funds frozen, they are still doing this at other casinos. even though they know that it has violated the rules and if detected they will lose their funds again.

so sometimes it's very stupid for someone to take advantage of a bonus that ends up being frozen but still repeats mistakes at other casinos like committing suicide several times.

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Quote from: xSkylarx on March 11, 2023, 04:30:11 AM

The problem with these promotions is that you need to achieve specific goals, like betting a certain amount to get qualified, which means sometimes you need to spend more money.

Yeah, no matter what platform we choose, whether we play at a very popular casino or a new one, whether we choose an online platform or a land based, we must remember one thing, there is nothing like free money in gambling.

Bonuses are only given so that you make deposits and play on the casino, and casinos know that those that start playing won't easily stop and the house-edge will make the house win at the end. So any kind of a promo or a bonus a casino offers, they will surely have some requirements for it, and mostly it's a wagering or deposit limit. If you can't fulfill that, there is no bonus for you, simple as that.

I deposited $33.3 into a gambling site that I just registered on recently to bet Dortmund versus RB Leipzig, it was a lucky match for me as it was more than 2.1 odds for Dortmund and it was a won bet. I was lurd by the casino because of their 100% deposit bonus, I won the match but the bonus was very discouraging, I was given $3.3 bonus 10 times to be used on different bets. Is that not discouraging? I was also only given just 7 days for the bonus expiration. Recently because of the rules of the bonuses, I lost all and I was unable to bet until I remember today when I read this topic that I had bonuses on a gambling site which expired on 11th of this month. Gambling sites wants people to just join, try all ways to make sure you do not use the bonus, even if you use it, to be in a way only little reward of the winning will be the result.

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Quote from: Solosanz on March 09, 2023, 10:37:44 AM

Quote from: piebeyb on March 09, 2023, 10:28:59 AM

usually beginners are often stuck with promotions like this, that's how the promotion is done, but sometimes their affiliates promote referral links so they are directed to login or registration, sometimes new people ignore reading the terms and conditions of the casino so they rush to create an account and play. beginners shouldn't ignore it

Then they will complaint in the live support and come to this forum to create a scam accusations thread because they're feel get cheated from the casino. Usually the terms and conditions aren't appeared in full, but the new terms will come up after you've successfully fulfill the first requirement. This is why welcome bonus is mostly not a good promotion, it's better to go with everyday wager contest or other event promotion.

most of them are also novice gamblers trying to cheat the bonuses provided and they are caught then all the money and accounts are frozen, it all starts with promotions wrapped up by marketing so gamblers come who take advantage of opportunities and cheat to get a lot of money, but in the end they lose a lot of money in trap because everything is frozen, it's sad Cheesy

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Quote from: tusandii on March 12, 2023, 11:09:53 PM

Quote from: Baofeng on March 12, 2023, 05:39:45 PM

So it's just better to play and not thinking of that bonuses or promotions in the beginning because if you do, you can't really stop and the more you want to hit that so called bonuses the likely that you will lose more money in the end because of those house edges. Play and have fun, if you hit the requirements then good.

And in the end, it's important to read that T&C too, so that there will be no surprises on your end.

For gamblers who have more money and their goal is to gamble to get big profits, they will definitely not think about bonuses at the beginning because of course they prefer to chase wins that can provide big profits.
But on the other hand there are lots of small gamblers who really are bonus hunters so they can get even a little profit.
Every gambler must have different characteristics so we cannot determine and suggest them to follow what we think.
Maybe those who have more money can easily do everything but those who are only small gamblers will not be able to do this.
Either just chasing bonuses or chasing wins and even gambling just for fun is their choice because the benchmark in gambling is how much money they use.

Indeed! I understand how exhausting it may be to keep trying for better odds or more rewards. It's like trying to catch a mythical creature that farts rainbows. But be honest; what sort of gambler are you? To what extent do you seek out rewards and do you prefer to win? Or someone who can't resist the thrill of gambling no matter how much it costs them? Keep your cool and handle your money responsibly no matter whichever camp you find yourself in. The house always wins, so it's smart to have a Plan B in place, like creating your own cryptocurrency or penning a novel, just in case. No seriousness intended. Nonetheless, taking things at face value, compulsive gambling is a major problem that affects many people. Thus, don't wait to get treatment if you see your gambling habits are becoming out of hand. Because, after all, life is a game of skill, not luck.

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Quote from: Baofeng on March 12, 2023, 05:39:45 PM

So it's just better to play and not thinking of that bonuses or promotions in the beginning because if you do, you can't really stop and the more you want to hit that so called bonuses the likely that you will lose more money in the end because of those house edges. Play and have fun, if you hit the requirements then good.

And in the end, it's important to read that T&C too, so that there will be no surprises on your end.

For gamblers who have more money and their goal is to gamble to get big profits, they will definitely not think about bonuses at the beginning because of course they prefer to chase wins that can provide big profits.
But on the other hand there are lots of small gamblers who really are bonus hunters so they can get even a little profit.
Every gambler must have different characteristics so we cannot determine and suggest them to follow what we think.
Maybe those who have more money can easily do everything but those who are only small gamblers will not be able to do this.
Either just chasing bonuses or chasing wins and even gambling just for fun is their choice because the benchmark in gambling is how much money they use.

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Quote from: MinMan on March 12, 2023, 09:02:33 AM

Quote from: xSkylarx on March 11, 2023, 04:30:11 AM

The problem with these promotions is that you need to achieve specific goals, like betting a certain amount to get qualified, which means sometimes you need to spend more money.

Yeah, no matter what platform we choose, whether we play at a very popular casino or a new one, whether we choose an online platform or a land based, we must remember one thing, there is nothing like free money in gambling.

Yes, that's the obvious though, even in land base casino's you will see a lot of promotions and it's really very attractive because the prizes are so big. But then when you go in and read the T&C there are a lot that you need to fulfill in order to quality so it means you have to spend a lot of money as well just to be able to be on that promotions.

Quote from: MinMan on March 12, 2023, 09:02:33 AM

Bonuses are only given so that you make deposits and play on the casino, and casinos know that those that start playing won't easily stop and the house-edge will make the house win at the end. So any kind of a promo or a bonus a casino offers, they will surely have some requirements for it, and mostly it's a wagering or deposit limit. If you can't fulfill that, there is no bonus for you, simple as that.

So it's just better to play and not thinking of that bonuses or promotions in the beginning because if you do, you can't really stop and the more you want to hit that so called bonuses the likely that you will lose more money in the end because of those house edges. Play and have fun, if you hit the requirements then good.

And in the end, it's important to read that T&C too, so that there will be no surprises on your end.

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Quote from: AmoreJaz on March 10, 2023, 07:16:37 PM

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Yeah, it works for them and that's why they won't change a thing with it. Until it's valid that they're seeing it no longer effective then that's the time that they have to restrategize their tactics. But as long as it's working, there's no need for them to change that as it's not being called by their demand. As much as we want to make things easy, it's for them to tell and do things whether it's really needed or not.
While the impact of it for an individual is quite big but for them, if someone goes to the landing page, that's all they need to do because once a gambler is enticed with the promos, they wouldn't mind about stuff of registering because they already caught their attention about the promos that they can see.

but do take note that if the requirements are quite not reasonable, people will talk. and they can give bad feedbacks if they got screwed because of misleading adverts.
for sure, those too-good-to-be-true bonuses have corresponding requirements, in which, most gamblers will fail to complete. the casino would know if their tactics are not working if less people to none are availing their bonuses.

These days, most customers are really vocal and for sure that they've been dealing with lots of them on a daily basis. So if it's been brought to them not just once or twice, they'll not be ignored until the changes have been visible from the customers that have shared their concerns with them. As long as the requirements are reasonable and they can be said to be competitive, there will be gamblers that would always chase them regardless of the prize is as long as it's achievable and very easy to comply with. They do conduct surveys from their customers and if it's not that effective anymore, the changes will be discerning for those customers that have come to take the notice of it.

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Quote from: xSkylarx on March 11, 2023, 04:30:11 AM

The problem with these promotions is that you need to achieve specific goals, like betting a certain amount to get qualified, which means sometimes you need to spend more money.

Yeah, no matter what platform we choose, whether we play at a very popular casino or a new one, whether we choose an online platform or a land based, we must remember one thing, there is nothing like free money in gambling.

Bonuses are only given so that you make deposits and play on the casino, and casinos know that those that start playing won't easily stop and the house-edge will make the house win at the end. So any kind of a promo or a bonus a casino offers, they will surely have some requirements for it, and mostly it's a wagering or deposit limit. If you can't fulfill that, there is no bonus for you, simple as that.

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Quote from: MinMan on March 12, 2023, 01:24:50 AM

An advertisement, of any form, is basically to attract potential customers to the platform, and they are never meant to disclose or read out the terms and conditions of the platform, all they need to include in a promotion is a simple text which says, "Terms and conditions apply." and that's all. Those who read that and still don't go ahead and read the complete terms and conditions, it's not the casino's fault at all.

A user who only rushes to register, deposits, and starts betting on a casino by just reading about a bonus or something deserves to face the consequences if there are any, as it is their own responsibility to understand everything beforehand and then go ahead with the process.

It is the responsibility of each person to always research the casino before they register themselves. If they have read it carefully, they can continue to play or deposit money immediately if they already have an account. But if they have doubts or are not sure about the casino, they don't need to register and look for other casinos. There is no compulsion to use the promo because we are the ones who must know the terms and conditions before deciding to take the promo.

Casinos have given attractive promos to everyone who sees the promos and it's up to each person. And casinos also never force users to visit their casinos because they know each user has the right to decide for himself.

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Quote from: libert19 on March 08, 2023, 11:29:20 PM

Enticing promo banners but tncs that make these promos largely useless and these tncs aren't obvious from looking at banners. Upon click they redirect you to login/registration page whereas I feel click on to banner should redirect user to that particular promo's tnc.

Well that always the first step. Registration. But what I witness these days regarding casino or sports book registration is they are not that strict anymore. They usually just need your e-mail and you can start browsing their pages. It's not really much of a hassle if you want to look inside their website for the promos. It's a normal thing to keep their business secured. Besides, you can also use a dummy account if you are keeping your privacy or just want your computer/account clean.
Banners are scattered around mostly just for advertisements. They could change every week and the one posting it could be using the old ones.

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Quote from: goinmerry on March 11, 2023, 04:58:38 PM

Can you share some examples of promo banners that literally just redirect to the sign-up page? I said, promo banner exactly and not a marketing banner.

I think you can find many banners in internet including in this forum. You can try by visiting review sites where you can see many banners for many different casinos. Most banners shows an interesting offers such as Big Deposit Bonus, Free Spins, etc but most of them will redirect you to the sign up page first. I do not see it is something wrong as it is how they do it effectively to invite new players. As you said related to the term of the bonus as well as the general terms of condition about the casinos, we as players should do our own part.

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There are no tricks behind the way that these banners are designed.... You click on the banner and you are re-directed to the site, where you have to signup to get access to the promotions. As part of the signup process, a option are usually required that you accept the terms and conditions of the site, so you cannot miss that.

Yes, many people just click "Yes, I accept" without reading the terms and conditions... but it's on them. So, make sure you read the terms and conditions, before you participate in the promotions. Wink

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Quote from: libert19 on March 08, 2023, 11:29:20 PM

Enticing promo banners but tncs that make these promos largely useless and these tncs aren't obvious from looking at banners. Upon click they redirect you to login/registration page whereas I feel click on to banner should redirect user to that particular promo's tnc.

I don't find anything wrong with casino advertising using small banners, of course there is no space for the terms and conditions. They will be shown on the casino website itself and we should always check them before signing up at a casino. Using terms and conditions is normal for any company, even the smallest business running some advertising are going to have it. Why should a casino be different from other businesses? They are necessary to protect a company from people using promotions and advertising in exploitative ways. The main thing with casino promotions is that they don't want the gambler to instantly withdraw any free money.

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Quote from: noormcs5 on March 12, 2023, 03:35:34 AM

If this is the case then be aware that experienced gamblers know that no bonus comes without any terms and conditions. Also, most of the promotions may seem to favor the gamblers but when we read the terms and conditions associated with this, most of the time the gambler's casino gets the benefit.

The new gamblers may act quickly to get the bonus but experienced gamblers always first read the terms before availing the discount.

reason casinos provide bonuses with certain conditions is because until now there are still many gamblers who take advantage of these bonuses in bad ways, for example, using multiple accounts to get bonuses. even though the casino gives these bonuses to active customers and the casino wants gamblers who get bonuses to also make a good contribution to the casino.

so it doesn't matter if the casino provides bonuses with conditions and not only old users always see the bonus conditions but new users usually also check the terms before taking the bonus.

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Quote from: MinMan on March 12, 2023, 01:24:50 AM

An advertisement, of any form, is basically to attract potential customers to the platform, and they are never meant to disclose or read out the terms and conditions of the platform, all they need to include in a promotion is a simple text which says, "Terms and conditions apply." and that's all. Those who read that and still don't go ahead and read the complete terms and conditions, it's not the casino's fault at all.

A user who only rushes to register, deposits, and starts betting on a casino by just reading about a bonus or something deserves to face the consequences if there are any, as it is their own responsibility to understand everything beforehand and then go ahead with the process.

If this is the case then be aware that experienced gamblers know that no bonus comes without any terms and conditions. Also, most of the promotions may seem to favor the gamblers but when we read the terms and conditions associated with this, most of the time the gambler's casino gets the benefit.

The new gamblers may act quickly to get the bonus but experienced gamblers always first read the terms before availing the discount.

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Quote from: alegotardo on March 09, 2023, 10:23:23 PM

I also didn't understand what the OP's purpose would be, but while I agree that it's not possible to list the entire T&C, many sites fail to include a lot of important information in their promotion ads.

In some cases, information about minimum bets, minimum contribution amount or number of plays to be able to redeem certain prizes is included in very fine print.

However, in other cases, this information does not appear anywhere and the user only finds out about these "rules" after he has already started playing or made a certain contribution of money that does not correspond to the rules.

This is quite frustrating!

An advertisement, of any form, is basically to attract potential customers to the platform, and they are never meant to disclose or read out the terms and conditions of the platform, all they need to include in a promotion is a simple text which says, "Terms and conditions apply." and that's all. Those who read that and still don't go ahead and read the complete terms and conditions, it's not the casino's fault at all.

A user who only rushes to register, deposits, and starts betting on a casino by just reading about a bonus or something deserves to face the consequences if there are any, as it is their own responsibility to understand everything beforehand and then go ahead with the process.

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Quote from: chaser15 on March 11, 2023, 05:22:34 PM

Quote from: libert19 on March 08, 2023, 11:29:20 PM

Enticing promo banners but tncs that make these promos largely useless and these tncs aren't obvious from looking at banners. Upon click they redirect you to login/registration page whereas I feel click on to banner should redirect user to that particular promo's tnc.

In most cases I encountered though, there should be a link leading to the "Terms and Conditions" , "Bonuses Conditions" or something like that on the registration page. I have rarely seen a promotional banner that will redirect you to the Terms and Condition page exactly as the purpose is to lead users to the registration page.

It should also be a good habit to always read the terms regarding any kind of bonus. There's no promotional bonus that doesn't have terms.

In a way I understand what the OP is trying to say, as it can be discouraging to find a promo and then you have to look for the terms for a few minutes only to find out you do not qualify or the promo has already expired, but that is just the way casinos promote themselves, if they land you on the registration page after you click the link then it is clear that what they are trying to do is to attract new customers to their casino with those offers and as such they will never modify their landing page, as this will decrease the amount of new gamblers which decide to give a try to their casino

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Quote from: chaser15 on March 11, 2023, 05:22:34 PM

Quote from: libert19 on March 08, 2023, 11:29:20 PM

Enticing promo banners but tncs that make these promos largely useless and these tncs aren't obvious from looking at banners. Upon click they redirect you to login/registration page whereas I feel click on to banner should redirect user to that particular promo's tnc.

In most cases I encountered though, there should be a link leading to the "Terms and Conditions" , "Bonuses Conditions" or something like that on the registration page. I have rarely seen a promotional banner that will redirect you to the Terms and Condition page exactly as the purpose is to lead users to the registration page.

It should also be a good habit to always read the terms regarding any kind of bonus. There's no promotional bonus that doesn't have terms.

I dont see it for it to be that applied considering that it is really that understandable that these bonuses does have particular terms and conditions.If the site or platform would be giving out some links or alerts about
those bonuses terms and conditions then it would be great but just like you do said that they would be just directly be showing off directly on registration page on which it is really that common.
As a player or a gambler then we arent that dumb not to know or believing that they wont really be falling out on some terms which it is really a bad mindset because you would definitely be
making yourself that expect on something it wasnt right at the first place.

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Quote from: libert19 on March 08, 2023, 11:29:20 PM

Enticing promo banners but tncs that make these promos largely useless and these tncs aren't obvious from looking at banners. Upon click they redirect you to login/registration page whereas I feel click on to banner should redirect user to that particular promo's tnc.

In most cases I encountered though, there should be a link leading to the "Terms and Conditions" , "Bonuses Conditions" or something like that on the registration page. I have rarely seen a promotional banner that will redirect you to the Terms and Condition page exactly as the purpose is to lead users to the registration page.

It should also be a good habit to always read the terms regarding any kind of bonus. There's no promotional bonus that doesn't have terms.

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