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Quote from: Charles-Tim on December 22, 2024, 08:58:05 AM

The commissioner is not right to do something like this or maybe I am not right but I think each state will have their own different laws and not just local government. Probably the system of government roles in Uganda can be different but this is harsh in my opinion.

Gambling agents are the people that were affected. The gambling agents are offline and having gambling shops which people come to gamble. People going to the agents can easily be known and located. As long as they follow regulatory rules, I do not see any reason such a harsh move that can reduce unemployment should be taken.

There are many people that will still go online to gamble. The betting sites are directly available online without the need of betting agent.

I completely agree with you! The commissioner's decision seems overly harsh, especially considering the potential impact on unemployment. Gambling agents who follow regulations should be allowed to operate. Moreover, banning offline agents won't stop people from gambling online. A more nuanced approach is needed to address concerns without harming livelihoods.

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Quote from: Natalim on December 24, 2024, 10:59:23 PM

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Those people who gets deeper in gambling and lose their money wants to back to gambling and gets their money back. They will do all things they can to have money so that is why we hear about the crimes percentage increased. It needs concern from the government to eradicate this things including to gamblers who often does crimes to have money and just use that money to playing gambling.

I think the main issue here lies in the number of casinos operating, with some not being properly regulated. Stopping gambling altogether would be like cutting off a significant source of revenue, which would be a wrong move. Instead, why not focus on finding solutions to minimize gambling-related crimes without immediately resorting to closing down casinos? A more balanced approach could address the problems without harming the industry.

What he did was misuse of power, normally before any casino or bookie would launch their land based casinos, they must have acquired the required license and documents that can allow them operate without be stopped by the government buy this case said that the reason why the commissioner took such action is because of the crime committed by gamblers and not because the agents are not operating legally.

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Quote from: Natalim on December 24, 2024, 10:59:23 PM

I think the main issue here lies in the number of casinos operating, with some not being properly regulated. Stopping gambling altogether would be like cutting off a significant source of revenue, which would be a wrong move. Instead, why not focus on finding solutions to minimize gambling-related crimes without immediately resorting to closing down casinos? A more balanced approach could address the problems without harming the industry.

Maybe the government thinks that the root of the problem come from gambling especially with illegal casino that running in many places. So they want to carry out the clean-up for illegal casino that don't pay taxes to the government. The government lose too much money from the gambling business if many illegal casino operate in their country. Besides that, many people like to playing in the illegal casino because that will be more free than legal casino because there are less rules compare to the legal.

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First off, I don't know if what is the meaning of resident commissioner, so I searched it up a bit and found out that it is related to the government, I mean they can also decide about some legal issues. Very different from what I thought it was, as I thought it was someone who gets a commission similar to a gambling agent. That made me wonder on why they will also stop their other co-agent members when both of them are only gaining a benefit from what they are doing.

Now to answer the question laid out, I'm not against with the decision of this RDC but as long as it was already proven to be true that gambling is really the cause of the crimes happening on that town.

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Quote from: pawanjain on December 25, 2024, 08:02:04 AM

Quote from: Frankolala on December 23, 2024, 02:21:43 AM

A lot of things can lead to theft and not only gambling. If economy of the country is poor and people are suffering, there will be high rate of theft. Drug is another thing that can increase theft. The commissioner just did that from his own understanding on how to comb theft. The bet shops should be moved to a rich environment and let's see it theft will increase in such a place. The poor suffers more from the government.

It can also be that stealing money from gambling operators would be more convenient for the thieves rather than any other shops.
There must be a reason why the thieves are targeting gambling operators right.
Another thing the commissioner can do is to temporarily restrict the gambling operators from running their business and analyse the theft rate in the area.
This will help them identify the root cause as well and may be he will be able to catch the thieves then.

Analysis is the best solution, after that you can really determine what is better, with gambling in this area or not. But I'm afraid that the commissioner does not have time for this and usually they make abrupt decisions, for example prohibitive, even without a chance of comparison. However, it is difficult to make forecasts I do not know the specifics and mentality of the people and players of this area. But if we take the average, then I think that this will still reduce the crime rate a little. Another thing is that players will always find ways to play, for example online, but they simply will not have a place to gather everyone in one place.

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Quote from: avp2306 on December 24, 2024, 05:19:20 PM

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Quote from: Oluwa-btc on December 23, 2024, 06:09:52 AM

I think this is a bold step and as well will put a stop or limits some illegal activities that had been generated from irresponsible gambling habits, some people might be thinking it's actually wrong for the commissioner to have done that but then looking at the crime rates and illegal activities it's all generated from gambling simply when an addicted gambler want to meet up with his gambling habits.

Actually if we talk about who is wrong in this situation then I think the ones who are wrong are the gamblers themselves because they treat gambling in the wrong way or the wrong way so that in the end it causes various bad impacts that make them walk in despair to do various unexpected actions such as crimes just to realize their desire to continue gambling.

But yes stopping all gambling access by closing all the casinos there is an idea that is no less good, because that way all the problems will most likely be easily resolved, but maybe not completely, oh yes in this situation maybe I would say that the second party can also be blamed in this situation.

Exactly if gamblers didn't exceed and do those crimes just to have money to sustain their gambling activities for sure the commissioner won't do that decision.

But since as said the crimes or other illegal activities is already been growing, then its expected that he would do some action since that is his job to maintain the peace and order on their place. This is also how they can control the situation and I don't see anything wrong about it. The stoppage of operation by gambling operators is done by abusive gamblers and people cannot mock those people who's working in the government since they are doing those people a favor since if they commit crimes then for sure that there would be huge consequence on that action which those people might regret later on.

Well and of course they will not experience any problems or negative impacts in their lives due to gambling, so I think it is true as I said above that the ones who are wrong in this situation are the gamblers themselves because they treat gambling in a way that should be avoided, logically the commissioner will also not take the decision to close all gambling agents if the people there gamble responsibly.

On the other hand, the commissioner can actually still do other things that are lighter for the gamblers there, such as increasing the consequences of punishment for gamblers who commit various crimes, but maybe the commissioner has done that but it is still not enough to make those people feel deterred, meaning the decision to close all access from casino agents in my opinion is the best decision, because that way the gamblers will have to stop.

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Quote from: Frankolala on December 23, 2024, 02:21:43 AM

A lot of things can lead to theft and not only gambling. If economy of the country is poor and people are suffering, there will be high rate of theft. Drug is another thing that can increase theft. The commissioner just did that from his own understanding on how to comb theft. The bet shops should be moved to a rich environment and let's see it theft will increase in such a place. The poor suffers more from the government.

It can also be that stealing money from gambling operators would be more convenient for the thieves rather than any other shops.
There must be a reason why the thieves are targeting gambling operators right.
Another thing the commissioner can do is to temporarily restrict the gambling operators from running their business and analyse the theft rate in the area.
This will help them identify the root cause as well and may be he will be able to catch the thieves then.

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Quote from: Outhue on December 23, 2024, 05:12:19 AM

This is also why casinos can't operate without being registered, even online casinos are the most concerned about crime empire operation, there will never be a room for decentralised casinos.

These are land based gambling shops which are already registered and are paying taxes, without being registered and obtaining the license of operation, they can not even open the business and start operations. So, by right they are operating legally and in my opinion, the commissioner is not supposed to start closing down gambling operators in that town unless there's an order from the government which is meant to be effective in the whole country. If one town in a country is band from gambling, does it mean that the citizens can not travel to other town to gamble?

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The commissioner can't just wake up and lay such enforcement on the casinos like that if they haven't been proven guilty unless the gambling has incited it citizens to illegal indulgences and extremely irresponsible gambling habits of the people.
Although in situations like this, not every of the gambling sites could be guilty as accused by the commissioner but may have generalized it act to every gambling sites being potential to such as accused.
If this news is confirmed, then let us wait for scrutinization because those other legally approved gambling sites would be resumed while the guilty ones would scamper for judgement.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on December 24, 2024, 10:52:45 PM

Those people who gets deeper in gambling and lose their money wants to back to gambling and gets their money back. They will do all things they can to have money so that is why we hear about the crimes percentage increased. It needs concern from the government to eradicate this things including to gamblers who often does crimes to have money and just use that money to playing gambling.

I think the main issue here lies in the number of casinos operating, with some not being properly regulated. Stopping gambling altogether would be like cutting off a significant source of revenue, which would be a wrong move. Instead, why not focus on finding solutions to minimize gambling-related crimes without immediately resorting to closing down casinos? A more balanced approach could address the problems without harming the industry.

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Quote from: avp2306 on December 24, 2024, 05:19:20 PM

if gamblers didn't exceed and do those crimes just to have money to sustain their gambling activities for sure the commissioner won't do that decision.

But since as said the crimes or other illegal activities is already been growing, then its expected that he would do some action since that is his job to maintain the peace and order on their place. This is also how they can control the situation and I don't see anything wrong about it. The stoppage of operation by gambling operators is done by abusive gamblers and people cannot mock those people who's working in the government since they are doing those people a favor since if they commit crimes then for sure that there would be huge consequence on that action which those people might regret later on.

But the problem is not many people can hold them back from doing crimes especially if that money will be used to playing gambling. They will doing many things so they can have money to be back to playing gambling and doing a crimes will be a fast way to have money because they can rob some people on the street or even steal other people's money.

Those people who gets deeper in gambling and lose their money wants to back to gambling and gets their money back. They will do all things they can to have money so that is why we hear about the crimes percentage increased. It needs concern from the government to eradicate this things including to gamblers who often does crimes to have money and just use that money to playing gambling.

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Quote from: Dewi Aries on December 24, 2024, 04:00:50 PM

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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on December 22, 2024, 08:50:39 AM

These gambling agents or operators are just concerned about growing their business and making profit from gamblers losses. Do you guys think that they are the root cause of the problem and it was right for the commissioner to stop them first?

I think this is a bold step and as well will put a stop or limits some illegal activities that had been generated from irresponsible gambling habits, some people might be thinking it's actually wrong for the commissioner to have done that but then looking at the crime rates and illegal activities it's all generated from gambling simply when an addicted gambler want to meet up with his gambling habits.

Actually if we talk about who is wrong in this situation then I think the ones who are wrong are the gamblers themselves because they treat gambling in the wrong way or the wrong way so that in the end it causes various bad impacts that make them walk in despair to do various unexpected actions such as crimes just to realize their desire to continue gambling.

But yes stopping all gambling access by closing all the casinos there is an idea that is no less good, because that way all the problems will most likely be easily resolved, but maybe not completely, oh yes in this situation maybe I would say that the second party can also be blamed in this situation.

Exactly if gamblers didn't exceed and do those crimes just to have money to sustain their gambling activities for sure the commissioner won't do that decision.

But since as said the crimes or other illegal activities is already been growing, then its expected that he would do some action since that is his job to maintain the peace and order on their place. This is also how they can control the situation and I don't see anything wrong about it. The stoppage of operation by gambling operators is done by abusive gamblers and people cannot mock those people who's working in the government since they are doing those people a favor since if they commit crimes then for sure that there would be huge consequence on that action which those people might regret later on.

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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on December 22, 2024, 08:50:39 AM

These gambling agents or operators are just concerned about growing their business and making profit from gamblers losses. Do you guys think that they are the root cause of the problem and it was right for the commissioner to stop them first?

Well, that's the business model they follow and they aren't the ones creating any losses for gamblers at all. The gamblers lose because of their own luck and or failed strategies and unawareness about gambling responsibility, and for that we can't blame those operators.

If the commissioner has shut down the business of those operators who had legal license and weren't doing any corrupt practices then he hasn't done right to them because he literally destroyed their source of income, however if they were doing something corrupt then it was a good step taken by the commissioner.

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Quote from: EluguHcman on December 24, 2024, 08:30:10 AM

If you have provided a source for this news, it would be better answerable when we read true. Atleast having the view directly from this commissioner.

This is the source --> https://nilepost.co.ug/crime/234121/rdc-butaleja-cracks-down-on-gambling

Quote from: EluguHcman on December 24, 2024, 08:30:10 AM

But then, if we should have to look at it as narrated, I am sure we would agree to it that there are certain illegal casinos that are legally not approved.
Then it would be convinceable that for such casinos to operate in such a way, there must be level of suspiciousness of them potential to criminal activities.

It's not about legalities of the casinos that are operating in the area. But about the effect that it had made to many of its residents that became gambling addicts.

Because the gambling addicts have became thieves and done other criminal acts for them to have money to gamble.

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Quote from: Oluwa-btc on December 23, 2024, 06:09:52 AM

Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on December 22, 2024, 08:50:39 AM

These gambling agents or operators are just concerned about growing their business and making profit from gamblers losses. Do you guys think that they are the root cause of the problem and it was right for the commissioner to stop them first?

I think this is a bold step and as well will put a stop or limits some illegal activities that had been generated from irresponsible gambling habits, some people might be thinking it's actually wrong for the commissioner to have done that but then looking at the crime rates and illegal activities it's all generated from gambling simply when an addicted gambler want to meet up with his gambling habits.

Actually if we talk about who is wrong in this situation then I think the ones who are wrong are the gamblers themselves because they treat gambling in the wrong way or the wrong way so that in the end it causes various bad impacts that make them walk in despair to do various unexpected actions such as crimes just to realize their desire to continue gambling.

But yes stopping all gambling access by closing all the casinos there is an idea that is no less good, because that way all the problems will most likely be easily resolved, but maybe not completely, oh yes in this situation maybe I would say that the second party can also be blamed in this situation.

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If you have provided a source for this news, it would be better answerable when we read true. Atleast having the view directly from this commissioner.

But then, if we should have to look at it as narrated, I am sure we would agree to it that there are certain illegal casinos that are legally not approved.
Then it would be convinceable that for such casinos to operate in such a way, there must be level of suspiciousness of them potential to criminal activities.

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These gambling agents or operators are just concerned about growing their business and making profit from gamblers losses. Do you guys think that they are the root cause of the problem and it was right for the commissioner to stop them first?

Yes, the commissioners know very well and understand the profits made by the gambling industry operating in their area, maybe the commission or tax side is irregular, I think cases like this often happen in every country, It would be a good idea for the commissioner to stop or reorganize the profit rules for the commissioner's authority in the area.

My understanding is that Butaleja, which is located in the city of Uganda, has definite rules regarding the provisions of the gambling industry, so it is not surprising if the commissioner temporarily stops the gambling industry there, of course to stabilize income for the commissioner, I think so.

I also don't want to be biased specifically to this case and this country, but I think that the poorer the country and the area where the casino is, the more likely it is that bribery can flourish there, because the big money and winnings that are spinning around this establishment can haunt many people who are in positions against the backdrop of poverty in this area. Moreover, they all know each other there by sight and there can be informal relationships between them, especially since formal relationships are extremely difficult to maintain when everything is in poverty and ruin.

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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on December 22, 2024, 08:50:39 AM

These gambling agents or operators are just concerned about growing their business and making profit from gamblers losses. Do you guys think that they are the root cause of the problem and it was right for the commissioner to stop them first?

Yes, the commissioners know very well and understand the profits made by the gambling industry operating in their area, maybe the commission or tax side is irregular, I think cases like this often happen in every country, It would be a good idea for the commissioner to stop or reorganize the profit rules for the commissioner's authority in the area.

My understanding is that Butaleja, which is located in the city of Uganda, has definite rules regarding the provisions of the gambling industry, so it is not surprising if the commissioner temporarily stops the gambling industry there, of course to stabilize income for the commissioner, I think so.

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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on December 22, 2024, 08:50:39 AM

These gambling agents or operators are just concerned about growing their business and making profit from gamblers losses. Do you guys think that they are the root cause of the problem and it was right for the commissioner to stop them first?

I think the commissioner would have acted according to the rules of the government of the country or the state where this theft is happening.

The question is what is the primary responsibility of government? That is the protection of lives and properties and a government official can evoke that duty of government under the law when necessary and the need arises. Such commissioner to me has not acted ultra vires to the law or contravened it as the case may be but rather has evoked the political powers of the state to make sure there is sanity, peace and tranquility in his jurisdiction.

If you are going to gamble in an area, you should be sure that you are not going to lose your belongings including phones and money and I think that is the purpose of the lock down, to ensure there is security and sanitation of the place by investigating the cause of the theft and apprehend offenders. Moreover, government would be making money through the agents on tax so there is need to ensure security of lives and properties.

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It is back to their people on how they use gambling. If they know how to treat gambling as a fun activity and they don't use too much money, they will not doing crimes. People doing crimes to have money but if they use that money for gambling, that will not be good for them because they can addicted to gambling easily. Maybe casino needs to apply strict rule for those people so not many people can playing gambling and the government needs to educate their people not to rely on gambling to make money. But we know that gambling tempt them to make money so that makes people still gambling.

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