Topic: A Resource Based Economy - page 57. (Read 288375 times)

Sure, there is already a price to pay, but it is in no way as dramatic as it could be so it still makes a lot of sense to start changing.

Nonsense.
The market will only care about efficiently describing the relation between supply and demand.
It doesn't care about the human situation or that the resources are running out. The process of the market will just continue to work untill demand is satisfied. And as i said above, it is the demand that needs the change. Going through the market is starting at the end and hoping the beginning will catch up.
You would first need sufficient ammounts of people in the market that want to change before the market will provide for this change.

If you think the market or some money scheme will help then you are delirious.
Only humans can help here.
Humans are the root of the problem and also the seed of the solution.
Not markets, not RBE, not any other ideology.
We need to change our own behaviour if we want change.

It's OK man, you don't have to sacrifice yourself for the good of your religion. Maybe there's another way? You could apply for a course and become smarter! Don't do it! Don't do it!

The future generations are already being presented with the bill. Any delay in beginning to pay it only raises the eventual cost.

It's already too late no matter what we do.

yes, exactly. and sound money.

I think if you let the market play out from supply to demand you would already be too late.
It would be a brutal transaction.
One of the problems is that it is indeed the future generations that will be presented with the bill if you play it through the market.

Market economy. Once people start paying the REAL price of things, that should take care of it.

Hehe.,
But it's not about technology at all, it's about the fact that they are willing to protect their resources with their lifes. As i said, a social problem that can only be solved with subduction, in whatever way. You know the drill, agression, propaganda, genetic selection... The usual methods of getting yer things done.
So in some ways i would even go as far as saying RMB requires some form of fascism to become reality.
It needs a way to coerce people into cooperation otherwise people just won't cooperate.

But i think that the bigger this consumption problem becomes the more people will be willing to change.
The change just won't be RBE but something that more naturally fits our way of living and won't have the same dramatic consequences that a change to RBE would have.

Actually that would be defrauding it.

No.  They will give it up.

So... you'd steal it?

Thank you.  Agreed.  People DO need to consume WAY less.  I personally live on less than $5000 / year.
We have successfully completely debunked the RBE paradigm and pulled the rug out from under ZG's feet.



Psyops combined with making sure your technology is as current as theirs?

Well, let me remind you :
"It would not matter if the ruling computer system came to the (much processed) conclusion that humanity should be eradicated -- it would be a good and correct decision, because the smartest most powerful class of intelligence in existence has deemed it so."

First error is assuming that what this ruling class of most powerfull intelligence tells you is good (for them) is also good for you.
In reality these kinds of questions cannot be generalized.
I could now again ask if you think it is good or correct to the wolf that humans found it good to kill them off.

Second of all, you seem to imply that these super duper ultra intelligent AIs would be better at regulating society than something with less intelligence.
This is not true. Regulating a process requires only enough 'intelligence' to regulate the process. No need for systems that start to think for themselfs.

The assumption that higher/better intelligence is the way to achieve a well balanced human society is simply false. Actually we don't need these AIs at all because we could allready play nice and divide the resources if we wanted. But humans don't like to play nice an the AI thing is just an excuse to make people listen because, you know,allmighty computers says no. It's a bullshit excuse for the fact that society needs structure as we already have the answer. We need to consume less as a species or we will break everything. That is the simple truth that is hidden by RBE stuff.
The real problem, and why i think RBE is complete bullshit, is how to get people to listen to someone (or something) telling them they need to change their behaviour because that is more efficient.
Or, and i just like to repeat it, how will you get Putin to give up his resources?

I wouldn't rule it out.

Do you think maybe ZGers or Omega Point Theorists smoke too much pot?    

The universe has no problems with existing.
Finding a purpose is something invented by humans for humans.
And if there are, as you say, many purposes for the universes existance then we would not know anything about it. Considering it from our perspective is simply ridiculous.

Purpose implies intention so i'm eager to know what it is inside (or outside) the universe that has these intentions of reaching a goal. I want to bet these things are your own searches for goals and purpose that you project on the universe as a whole. Don't worry tho, that's a human trait.

We haven't got a clue whether infinity exists and even then calling the outcome correct is silly as since it is the only outcome there is nothing to compare it to.
Correct according to itself?
Something can only be called correct in context.

I've heard stuff like this before, from people baked out of their minds:


That is how I recognize it.

How so?

No, but I recognize the ramblings of a stoned-stupid mind.

You have an obsession with marijuana culture, don't you?

But no, I don't.