Topic: A summon to all native or non native English speakers. (Read 618 times)

Its given that not everyone here know how to speak english well but for me as long as the message is clear its not a big deal. The problem here is the attitude of every user cause some people came here just to make money without understanding the concept which put them to a wrong place. Also, this is the reason why we have a local board so that those people who don't understand english can still learn through that thread, after all they will be the one to suffer if they don't improve.

English is the main language of international communication. What's wrong with people talking to him? The Internet helps all people to unite. Some members think that an impeccable command of the English language makes them above the rest. It's wrong. You have to help people learn grammar. Discrimination on linguistic grounds is hurting the entire community.

For me as long as the statement clearly deliver the thought, I won't really mind the post's grammar usage. This forum requires an english proficient user and correcting all those grammar would consume a lot of time and might take the conversation out of point. Maybe the good thing to do if someone's not an english proficient, make your statement direct to the point and avoid getting out of context.

Alright, guys. I am sorry for not responding. I have been a little bit busy. So, I think my idea was not to be agreed with by most of you. Some of you said that correcting mistakes will cause spamming.

How about you take time to read people's answers, and if you see someone who has already corrected the OP, then avoid making a reply about correcting him. Now, I know that it would take you much time (assuming that you do not read megathreads). But I think people will have time if they want to improve something that they care about.
I am willing to do so and of course with the help of other members. Added to that, we can split ourselves. For example, the Pharmacist can be in charge of the Bitcoin Section, and only him can correct people who commented on that section. Everyone is responsible for their own sections. Other members can be in charge of Gambling discussion section, and so on. So I think there will be no spamming.

iasenko, you said that this forum is not a language school. What you stated is obviously true. As a matter of fact, this forum was created to talk about the cryptocurrency. On the other hand, you also see the "Other" section. Why was it implemented to this forum? Maybe because there were people who used to post off-topic replies or threads onto the bitcoin discussion section. Therefore, Theymos made the off-topic or politics & society sections so people can post off-topic threads in there.

My point is the following; how about the admin makes a section related to improving English or the quality of posts on the "Other" section so people can go and learn to make acceptable posts including learning proper grammar. This section will only be given to qualified people and their posts will be pinned. Other members can make posts related to the mentioned above.

It might sound tiring or boring for the qualified people to make a thread that is about, for example, "How to make a high-quality post". But I am sure many people will get benefit from it.
No one is perfect, and we all will learn from each other. What do you think, guys?

What you wrote is basically a generic shitpost of the kind I've seen thousands of times on bitcointalk.  The fact that someone sent you 3 merit points for this makes me very suspicious--either the guy who sent it to you is an idiot who likes to waste merits, or there was an arrangement between the two of you.  It's not that your English is horrible, because it isn't; it's the fact that the content of this post is just vapid, and it says to me that you're posting to either get paid or rank up, and not to contribute anything useful.  I've read posts just like yours many, many times before.  I'm really hoping the merit system eliminates the incentive for this crap.

Grammatical errors are common to many and it can't be avoided. You can't prevent someone pushing wrong letters in a keyboard, would it be an issue for you because they have spelled something wrong.
Also, fixing spellings and incorrect grammars won't lessen spamming and shit posting. In my opinion it will only lead to more of it.
The key to quality is reading more and asking questions. Though it's hard to cope up with grammar, try your best expressing your ideas based on researches and not just your emotions. More factual informations will be helpful.

Since majority of people here cannot afford to review other people post and give them suggestions so they can improved, the best way would always be start learning on our own way, I find it quite difficult especially that I know for a fact that I am not a good poster, but I tried my best to learn and improve. I think regardless if there are people who can give suggestions it is the attitude of a person towards improvement can help them to achieve their goals.

So what you are telling me is that the fact that you write in a way that is barely legible is not a problem, not something worthy of putting effort towards to correct, doesn't need to be learned if it's not a survival situation, and you aren't going to waste your limited brain capacity on it?

Hmm..

Is this a correct translation of your statement?

Are you butthurt in my statement
I just said what is true and logical at least in my opinion.
They don't need a correction human can survive in every sort of life, and being grammatically wrong is just a mere weakness.
A person can learn as long as it needs for oneself survival.

The capacity of human brain to learn is only limited, endorphins had the major influence in this.

Not that I wright in perfect "grammar" and always spell every word correctly, but so do I..

I mean, grammar is one thing but when they don't even have half a grasp on proper SYNTAX is when it gets outrageous..


They need to go to their safe space local boards then.. I am not one of the mind to go out of my way to avoid offending another with a conflicting stance to my own..
Actually offending some groups of people is good sport..


Well they better start..
It may be offensive to them to point out how they should improve their writing skills but when they come back with some shit like "I know my writing is terrible but I don't feel it is important and I have no interest in changing it".. Well.. I guess you could say that that is offencive to me and I suspect plenty of others..


I am with you 100% here and that is a very non-harsh way to put it.. By statistical average one wouldn't expect half of the people from certain areas to be capable of learning a second language, half of some people are illiterate in their own languages.. Hell, I'm no moron and I don't know a 2nd language..

But.. I think we can tell the difference between those who struggle but actually try and want to learn, VS those who do not care, do not try, and just want to get paid..

Facepalm..

"being grammatically wrong doesn't mean your a bad mannered person so it doesn't need a correction."
illogic.. just because you are not bad mannered does NOT mean it doesn't need to be corrected..

IMO the first line of your post there is indeed bad manners anyway..

"Some of them is earning from a certain amount of posts others is earning per post."
Right, and they need to be fired for their terrible posts and they are pretty much spammers a lot of them..

"Meaning to say if I need to make a certain amount of post per week I need to constructively make it, unfortunately that is not always what happen."
NO!!
You do not "need to make a certain amount of post per week"! not at everyone elses expense, for your benefit, to get paid.. GTFO

"There's a lot of important things to correct first and grammar is not one of them"
Grammer is one of the most important ones.. You and many others are about to find out the hard way..
The forum is cracking down and rightfully so..


If you can't even make an effort to write properly, if you feel that "grammar is not one of them" things to be concerned about when posting, then you don't need to be here..
Especially don't need to be being paid to litter the forums..


Yeah, I've thrown some google translate into some foreign language boards to get a message across a couple times, but I sure didn't spam or get paid to post there..

OP, if you've read any of my own posts, you'd know I'm with you in wanting to correct people's grammar and spelling, but when you make suggestions like these, people get offended very easily--and more importantly, they more often than not end up ignoring your suggestions.   I suspect a lot of users here don't even think grammar, let alone spelling, is important.   In addition, I think many users are just plain uneducated and don't have the capacity for improvement.  That may sound harsh but I think it's true.

What do you people think when you see not so perfect post in terms of grammar or vocabulary?

I can say for myself that I'm far from being perfect since I learned English by myself. I do speak and I can express myself in a way that others can understand, but I can feel that I'm far from the level I want to be at. Well I do speak 3 more languages and since I'm living in a foreign country - Norway my Norwegian is taking over the others. I know, it's not easy and there are many like me here.
Enough off topic now.

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I see it that way, the forum is not a language school, it's created and supported as an English speaking forum with a privilege to the NNES / non-native English speaker/ to have sections in their own language.

If you are on a level that you cannot express yourself in English so the others can clearly understand your point then you should address your topics to your local section. If the matter is urgent, because sometimes it happens, it can be excuse but no more.
By pointing out the mistakes you generate extra off topic and since most of the "broken English" threads are created with direct translate with google it will not help much.

Well the answer is obvious: It's because posting in local boards doesn't pay. Most bounty programs have a limit on how many comments you are allowed to post on local boards, some even don't allow it at all. Since pretty much everyone here is here for the bounty money, this behavior is understandable in my opinion.

If you drive so badly that everyone in the street is at a risk, then you should definitely only walk (or maybe get a ride?)

That's why I said: "You don't even need to be fluent. It's just that people need to be able to understand what you are saying."

Wut? I tried to understand this but I couldn't. The only way this makes a little sense is if this means something along the lines of "if you don't know english, don't try to learn", which is false.

I had to read this 3 times to *kinda* understand what you are trying to say. Not really trying to humiliate you, but regardless of your analogies, you should try to improve your english before making posts outside your local board.

I will not continue the polemic. Because everyone will remain at their opinion. You say "bad English - go to the local section". Let's look at the analogies of life. If you only recently received a driving license, you should not drive a car? According to your logic - if you drive badly, then only walk. If you do not have children, it is forbidden to have children. There is not enough experience. How can you bring up children without sufficient experience?
We are all studying something. In some direction of the industry, each of us can be a beginner without experience. In a particular industry, each of us can be a professional. And the professional's task is to help, prompt, correct and point the way. And do not drive out, do not insult or humiliate those who is worse.

Its not that easy to construct words into gramatically correct structures especially to those who havent learned nor do not consider english as their second choice of language used within the premises of their country . If a person isnt proficient in the use of the english language then re learning the basics would take a significant amount of time though these people can be difficult to understand sometimes, usually those who post in this forum. Their structures are all jumbled up, transitional words are wrong and so on so forth that's why its hard to comsider if their posts are of high quality or not.

IMO this would be a waste of time for others,if someone having a problem to construct a proper english then it is advisable to stick  to thier local board.Besides,local section is meant for those who can't speak english well or can't spell and comprehend an english language very well,which cause a shitposting.The problem is not from the higher rank,it is from those who don't know their limit yet keeps on posting to a place they don't familiar with.

If you don't know English well, why are you trying to make posts in an English forum? Try to limit yourself to your Local board.

You don't even need to be fluent. It's just that people need to be able to understand what you are saying. I can't speak Spanish, so do you see me making posts in the Spanish board?

@OP, you are too kind for them.

what do you think about this?
Do you understand what is he saying?
Or is there any reason to accept him on signature campaign?