A summon to all native or non native English speakers. - page 2.

GrandBcn

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Quote from: actmyname on February 17, 2018, 08:11:20 AM

Quote from: GrandBcn on February 17, 2018, 08:05:20 AM

But this is only my opinion, I understand that, in your opinion, the Europeans (with the exception of English and Scots) are not Americans, and therefore this is the second class.

This is a prime example of a section that I just do not understand. What in the world are you saying? Nobody is saying anything about first/second/n^th class individuals.

I will try to rephrase. In your opinion, if a person does not know English well, he should not be here? He can not express his opinion? I met messages that were poorly written, but the idea was very good.
Native speakers (English) are first-class, and the rest is the culling of civilization?

actmyname

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Quote from: GrandBcn on February 17, 2018, 08:05:20 AM

In local branches you can see hundreds of messages that are understandable only for native speakers.

Exactly. If it's inane to have bad linguistic skills for the respective local section, then it should be the same in the English boards.

Quote from: GrandBcn on February 17, 2018, 08:05:20 AM

It is impossible to translate - just to convey an approximate meaning.

Understandable, but there shouldn't be loose grammar errors and incomprehensible replies. Direct translations may not be possible but you can always explain something.

Quote from: GrandBcn on February 17, 2018, 08:05:20 AM

But this is only my opinion, I understand that, in your opinion, the Europeans (with the exception of English and Scots) are not Americans, and therefore this is the second class.

This is a prime example of a section that I just do not understand. What in the world are you saying? Nobody is saying anything about first/second/n^th class individuals.

GrandBcn

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English is not my native language, and not even the second. In local branches you can see hundreds of messages that are understandable only for native speakers. It is impossible to translate - just to convey an approximate meaning. There are typos and mistakes. If I do not speak English at the national level, then I'm second class? Not a man at all?
I sometimes read a linguistic forum (not in English). And even on such forums there is a fairly loyal attitude to errors in semantics and punctuation.
This is a forum about cryptocurrencies, bitcoin, about mining, new projects and a new industry as such. Why is an ideally composed proposal so important?
But this is only my opinion, I understand that, in your opinion, the Europeans (with the exception of English and Scots) are not Americans, and therefore this is the second class.

romanovst

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Quote from: Aikidoka on February 17, 2018, 03:40:08 AM

Since there are numerous people who do not speak English very well and who make grammar and spelling mistakes, I would want from you guys to correct anything you see unsuitable.

For instance, if someone makes a post which has many errors, including lack of information, why not correct him so he can avoid making the mistake again so he can improve the quality of his posts in the future?

Perhaps people are not aware that they are making mistakes. But either way, if they read the proper correction, they might make an acceptable post.
And of course, you should not be rude while correcting him.

For example, you should not call him "Stupid, that is not how to say the statement...."
We do not want to be grammar nazis.

I have seen some members correcting the mistakes but it makes no difference to person posting that content. I think it takes time to improve writing skills and grammar. We cannot do much if the person is not willing to put some effort from his side. Regarding, not using bad words for them, I agree with you on that part.

Cobalt9317

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A native speakers can also make a mistake by speaking because it can't be edit the phrase is can't take back what you said, however a written post can be edit as much as it sounds perfect, and being grammatically wrong doesn't mean your a bad mannered person so it doesn't need a correction.
the old saying goes to err is human, but to forgive is divine.

Some of them is earning from a certain amount of posts others is earning per post.
Meaning to say if I need to make a certain amount of post per week I need to constructively make it, unfortunately that is not always what happen.

There's a lot of important things to correct first and grammar is not one of them, for someone to be precise in making a statement he/she needs a lot of practice before he/she can make a grasp of it.

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Quote from: greeklogos on February 17, 2018, 05:40:16 AM

You see, the problem is that not so many users read previous comments before to write own one and if they see a weak post in grammar sence people in most of cases just ignore it or attack the commentator with words like "with such level of Eng you have nothing to do here! Go away! Improve your Eng!" and so on. It is nice that you decided to pay attention on poor Eng posts, but by the forum's rules we need to put the OP in the priority, but not spend time for inproving of somebody's grammar.

You are right. So, please start by improving your grammar and English too.

greeklogos

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You see, the problem is that not so many users read previous comments before to write own one and if they see a weak post in grammar sence people in most of cases just ignore it or attack the commentator with words like "with such level of Eng you have nothing to do here! Go away! Improve your Eng!" and so on. It is nice that you decided to pay attention on poor Eng posts, but by the forum's rules we need to put the OP in the priority, but not spend time for inproving of somebody's grammar.

actmyname

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Quote from: Jet Cash on February 17, 2018, 04:34:21 AM

It would be difficult as there are so many varieties of english. For example, I consider "color", "center" and other Americanisms to be incorrect. I gather the spellings were changed by Webster to help country people who were home educated, but it does cause problems when there are so many variations.

Those should not be an issue because the semantics are still there. However, when you create garbled messes of dialogue that are incomprehensible, then there's a problem.

How many times have you seen run-on sentences that seem to continue on for several lines and just make it impossible to understand the meaning to which you would simply rather just not read the text entirely and move away from the redundant and recycled wall of text that is a putrid, filthy, mess that ends up being a mental strain on all readers, never mind the padding and bad grammar?

See what I did there?

TL;DR: The main issue that I have with users that do not have good writing skills is the lack of (proper) grammar and brevity. The combination of both creates a poor post.

Jet Cash

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It would be difficult as there are so many varieties of english. For example, I consider "color", "center" and other Americanisms to be incorrect. I gather the spellings were changed by Webster to help country people who were home educated, but it does cause problems when there are so many variations.

Baoo

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I dislike this, people who make grammar and spelling mistakes, the only solution is to correct their mistakes by re-learning the English rules and each one can improve himself.
Furthermore, many people are busy to correct the mistakes of members ( in the whole forum). But if this happens , there will be a problem of megathreads.
So your idea cannot be achieved in bitcointalk.

Aikidoka

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Since there are numerous people who do not speak English very well and who make grammar and spelling mistakes, I would want from you guys to correct anything you see unsuitable.

For instance, if someone makes a post which has many errors, including lack of information, why not correct him so he can avoid making the mistake again so he can improve the quality of his posts in the future?

Perhaps people are not aware that they are making mistakes. But either way, if they read the proper correction, they might make an acceptable post.
And of course, you should not be rude while correcting him.

For example, you should not call him "Stupid, that is not how to say the statement...."
We do not want to be grammar nazis.

Trust me, people will learn quickly.

Added to that, when you want to answer his thread to correct him, you should also take into consideration that you are going to answer what he said in his thread too, not just correct him.

This idea is for all people who want to make this forum a better place.
Maybe it is a silly idea, but I believe that if we do our best, we will manage to beautify this place.

May the force be with you, guys!
Have a wonderful day or night out there!

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