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Topic: A Texas Town’s Misery Underscores the Impact of Bitcoin Mines Across the U.S. (Read 1811 times)
October 12, 2024, 03:52:03 AM
October 10, 2024, 07:59:29 PM
exacty, all this money and resources and they can't get a freaking db meter for $10 or so to actually get an accurate measurement of noise.
interestingly enough, Mara spokesman said
"sounds from our operations are within the normal range experienced every day from a variety of sources"
So in this case, someone is surely lying, it is either the neighbours or Mara, it takes 5 mins and a few bucks to figure out.
October 09, 2024, 04:56:10 PM
article on this they are slowly working on upgrades
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/10/neighbors-sue-over-loud-bitcoin-mine/
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/10/neighbors-sue-over-loud-bitcoin-mine/
Thanks for the article link.
It seems to me that the company is making good on their promise, maybe not as fast as the folks nearby would like, but still, progress is being made.
Sam
But at same time, they also claim noise they made is within normal range and not aware of health problem caused by their noise. To me, it seems they only plan to reduce it enough to win in a court.
The health claims are subjective. The article offers no objective evidence that the noise was the cause of any ailments.
But, I agree that it would be really nice to sit on the back porch and watch the sunset in comfort. That's not too much to ask in ones own home in the country.
there are no clear meter numbers.
if the gear sounds at 70db on. the front porch it is too loud as it is 24/7/365.
but good articles would
a) give db meter readings on porches
b) give db meter readings in house living room and bedroom
c) explain db laws for the town
d) do pitch db readings
noise is funky when I worked in the navy from 11 pm to 7am I would do a four hour printing job.
I would bring a chair and lay my head on the printer enclosed top.
I would get four hours of sleep 💤 only would wake up when printer stopped.
https://www.amazon.com/Staples-Green-Computer-Paper-177113/dp/B01KPAQJ6I/ref=asc_df_B01KPAQJ6I/?
boxes of paper were like the one above.
found the printer
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_1403
I would bring a tall roller chair right up to it and lay my head on that plexiglass window get 3-4 hours sleep and the job would finish.
But because it had a print chain every letter had a slightly different sound. You could kind of say it was rhythmic. Plus different sound in the pattern. Much easier to sleep to than a pitch that never alters and get on your last nerve.
October 09, 2024, 09:23:46 AM
article on this they are slowly working on upgrades
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/10/neighbors-sue-over-loud-bitcoin-mine/
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/10/neighbors-sue-over-loud-bitcoin-mine/
Thanks for the article link.
It seems to me that the company is making good on their promise, maybe not as fast as the folks nearby would like, but still, progress is being made.
Sam
But at same time, they also claim noise they made is within normal range and not aware of health problem caused by their noise. To me, it seems they only plan to reduce it enough to win in a court.
The health claims are subjective. The article offers no objective evidence that the noise was the cause of any ailments.
But, I agree that it would be really nice to sit on the back porch and watch the sunset in comfort. That's not too much to ask in ones own home in the country.
October 09, 2024, 04:21:20 AM
article on this they are slowly working on upgrades
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/10/neighbors-sue-over-loud-bitcoin-mine/
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/10/neighbors-sue-over-loud-bitcoin-mine/
Thanks for the article link.
It seems to me that the company is making good on their promise, maybe not as fast as the folks nearby would like, but still, progress is being made.
Sam
But at same time, they also claim noise they made is within normal range and not aware of health problem caused by their noise. To me, it seems they only plan to reduce it enough to win in a court.
October 08, 2024, 04:49:57 PM
The article also fails to mention that the Texas grid is expanding in capacity because of the miners. As has been mentioned many times in the past ERCOT is expanding solar, wind, and yes gas fired power production. The money they make from the miners base-load is what is paying for that expansion and it is NOT just for miners benefit - when conditions merit the miners shut down so power can be sent to people & companies that need it.
It why for cost effectiveness buying a few dozen homes at a fair price could be a good move on their part.
Also when I look at the 5900 watt 473 th s21xp liquid cooled it seems that they will end-up with this gear
anyway. It would be quieter and far more energy efficient. Plus they could pipe the heat into the ground and loop it back to be quiet. Especially If the buy a few blocks of the closest homes.
October 08, 2024, 03:09:09 PM
The article also fails to mention that the Texas grid is expanding in capacity because of the miners. As has been mentioned many times in the past ERCOT is expanding solar, wind, and yes gas fired power production. The money they make from the miners base-load is what is paying for that expansion and it is NOT just for miners benefit - when conditions merit the miners shut down so power can be sent to people & companies that need it.
October 08, 2024, 11:32:16 AM
article on this they are slowly working on upgrades
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/10/neighbors-sue-over-loud-bitcoin-mine/
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/10/neighbors-sue-over-loud-bitcoin-mine/
Thanks for the article link.
It seems to me that the company is making good on their promise, maybe not as fast as the folks nearby would like, but still, progress is being made.
Sam
I am curious enough to fly to Texas just to do a few youtube videos.
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I wonder if buying the closest homes and relocating the people is a cost effect way to fix this.
Well, I guess you're retired so you now have the time to wander around and do investigative reporting
. Let us know if you do that.Folks that live there may not want to sell. I wonder which was first, the power plants or homes?
The article says that this is loading down an already stressed grid, but it seems to me that putting industry next to the power generation would NOT be a load on our grid since that portion of the grid is a few feet away. Also they are concerned about the emissions of the power generation, Natural Gas has far lower emissions than coal, but not as low as the nuclear reactor just west of this site.
Sam
October 08, 2024, 10:39:57 AM
article on this they are slowly working on upgrades
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/10/neighbors-sue-over-loud-bitcoin-mine/
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/10/neighbors-sue-over-loud-bitcoin-mine/
By years ends 50% of the gear will be immersive cooled.
if it is all liquid cool by spring issue should be lessened.
I am curious enough to fly to Texas just to do a few youtube videos.
I would love to know the pitch/frequency and the db.
I wonder if buying the closest homes and relocating the people is a cost effect way to fix this.
they have 300 megawatts or 23,500,000 th of s21xp hydro units this is $1,034,000 worth of btc a day
not sure what operating costs would be to earn that coin.
But at 50% they make 500,000 a day or $180,000,000 a year profits.
I would think they could spend 2 or 3 million on sound and 10 million to own the closest row of homes.
that is only 13 million or 26 days worth of profits.
October 08, 2024, 09:38:17 AM
article on this they are slowly working on upgrades
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/10/neighbors-sue-over-loud-bitcoin-mine/
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/10/neighbors-sue-over-loud-bitcoin-mine/
October 08, 2024, 05:47:34 AM
I dropped out of this thread a while back because it seems that you only want to BMW (Bitch Moan and Whine).
I totally agree, it seems like OP just want to criticize Bitcoin miners for whatever reason, it's very clear when you see his other thread regarding Bitcoin mining where he states
So people in Norway had to suffer through noise pollution for years thanks to bitcoin and now they get a gift of having a bigger bill every month.
If miners are mining > noise pollution, stop mining, bitcoin mining is evil.
If miners stop mining > power bills have gone up, bitcoin mining is evil.
He seems to spreading the kind of shit that any anti-bitcoin person would be spreading, he might not be doing that intentionally and just want to engage in some conversation, but in general, he seems to be posting only negative stuff about Bitcoin mining.
October 07, 2024, 09:02:30 AM
Flip side to this is https://bitcoinmagazine.com/business/solving-bitcoin-mining-noise-pollution
For air cooled miners the noise CAN be abated - it just costs money to do it. Fluid cooled miners all but eliminate the issue as the large dry coolers are pretty damn quite to begin with and if needed barriers can be put around them.
For air cooled miners the noise CAN be abated - it just costs money to do it. Fluid cooled miners all but eliminate the issue as the large dry coolers are pretty damn quite to begin with and if needed barriers can be put around them.
why haven't those things been done yet then there in granbury? how much longer do those residents need to suffer
I dropped out of this thread a while back because it seems that you only want to BMW (Bitch Moan and Whine).
I posted earlier that the company says that they have shut down a large number of miners, have started building a sound barrier and are converting to immersion cooling.
I asked if that was true or not. Nobody confirmed nor denied what the company said they were doing, just more BMW'ing.
So if the company is doing what they claim to be doing, then what more can you demand? If not then by all means continue bitching. But show me the objective truth that they are NOT doing what they say they are doing.
Sam
September 21, 2024, 08:47:05 PM
Flip side to this is https://bitcoinmagazine.com/business/solving-bitcoin-mining-noise-pollution
For air cooled miners the noise CAN be abated - it just costs money to do it. Fluid cooled miners all but eliminate the issue as the large dry coolers are pretty damn quite to begin with and if needed barriers can be put around them.
For air cooled miners the noise CAN be abated - it just costs money to do it. Fluid cooled miners all but eliminate the issue as the large dry coolers are pretty damn quite to begin with and if needed barriers can be put around them.
why haven't those things been done yet then there in granbury? how much longer do those residents need to suffer
texas has fuck you laws to homeowners.
why fix the issue if the fines are so cheap that just pay the fines to save millions.
texas has limits to lawsuits.
texas has limits to fines.
the home owners will need to find a way to go after the company at a federal level.
if not the company will fuck them in the ass and laugh at the people screaming.
to quote Tony Soprano "Nothing personal, Its just business"
September 19, 2024, 08:48:37 PM
Flip side to this is https://bitcoinmagazine.com/business/solving-bitcoin-mining-noise-pollution
For air cooled miners the noise CAN be abated - it just costs money to do it. Fluid cooled miners all but eliminate the issue as the large dry coolers are pretty damn quite to begin with and if needed barriers can be put around them.
For air cooled miners the noise CAN be abated - it just costs money to do it. Fluid cooled miners all but eliminate the issue as the large dry coolers are pretty damn quite to begin with and if needed barriers can be put around them.
why haven't those things been done yet then there in granbury? how much longer do those residents need to suffer
September 19, 2024, 07:11:47 PM
Flip side to this is https://bitcoinmagazine.com/business/solving-bitcoin-mining-noise-pollution
For air cooled miners the grating high-pitched noise CAN be abated - it just costs money to do it. Fluid cooled miners all but eliminate the issue as the large dry coolers are pretty damn quiet to begin with and if needed barriers can be put around them to deflect their low rumble away from the surrounding areas.
For air cooled miners the grating high-pitched noise CAN be abated - it just costs money to do it. Fluid cooled miners all but eliminate the issue as the large dry coolers are pretty damn quiet to begin with and if needed barriers can be put around them to deflect their low rumble away from the surrounding areas.
September 19, 2024, 06:38:01 PM
I probably understand why, but it doesn't change the fact that their blame is far from accurate. If they mention name of the mining company instead, i expect those company would feel more public pressure.
And i think government official who give permit to the company or ignore Granbury residents complaint are the one who should move there.
noise pollution can really destroy a person's life. people that haven't experienced it maybe they don't completely understand how destructive it can be to someone's mental health to say nothing about their physical health which apparently some of these granbury residents claim it has affected their physical health too and i'm not going to doubt that.
September 19, 2024, 04:03:40 AM
"Fixed that for you" is a phrase. I never claim that i fix problem faced by Granbury residents.
and those people are the ones that blame bitcoin. look at the signs in their yard. they mention "bitcoin" not the mining company. do you understand why?
now if you can't understand why they feel that way about bitcoin then i would advise you to move there and experience the noise for yourself. and everything that goes along with that...
now if you can't understand why they feel that way about bitcoin then i would advise you to move there and experience the noise for yourself. and everything that goes along with that...
I probably understand why, but it doesn't change the fact that their blame is far from accurate. If they mention name of the mining company instead, i expect those company would feel more public pressure.
And i think government official who give permit to the company or ignore Granbury residents complaint are the one who should move there.
September 18, 2024, 07:05:30 PM
Fixed that for you.
you didn't fix anything. and those people are the ones that blame bitcoin. look at the signs in their yard. they mention "bitcoin" not the mining company. do you understand why?
now if you can't understand why they feel that way about bitcoin then i would advise you to move there and experience the noise for yourself. and everything that goes along with that...
September 18, 2024, 05:02:51 AM
It's a big shame Texas government keep not doing job protecting their citizen. The Granbury resident probably should ask those politician to do a survey by living on their residential area for a month.
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People's well-being should come before profit, but we know that it is often the other way around - apparently, in this case too, the authorities do not care about people, because the company in question has on its payroll all those who could change something and deny them work permits.
I think that people from that place would simply have to get out of the local framework and raise it to a much higher level, because otherwise nothing will change. Another 1.2 million BTC is available for mining, and most of it will be mined by the end of this decade, but I would not be in the shoes of someone who will wait 5-6 years for the problem to be solved by itself.
September 18, 2024, 04:15:01 AM
ok everyone there is a new update about this story. unfortunately it's not good news either. the noise is still bad as always apparently and now there is some new developments that make things even worse for those poor people:
Constellation’s plan is to erect eight new turbines powered by natural gas to generate electricity. The company applied for air permits to release more than 796,000 additional tons of carbon dioxide per year. To sequester that amount of CO2 would require planting nearly 12 million trees and allowing them to grow for 10 years, according to EPA estimates.
The permit also proposes increased emissions at the site for a host of other pollutants, including particulate matter, nitrous oxide, carbon monoxide and volatile organic compounds.
https://www.fastcompany.com/91190198/a-small-texas-town-has-been-haunted-by-a-noisy-bitcoin-mine-now-a-nearby-power-plant-could-make-things-even-worse
Constellation’s plan is to erect eight new turbines powered by natural gas to generate electricity. The company applied for air permits to release more than 796,000 additional tons of carbon dioxide per year. To sequester that amount of CO2 would require planting nearly 12 million trees and allowing them to grow for 10 years, according to EPA estimates.
The permit also proposes increased emissions at the site for a host of other pollutants, including particulate matter, nitrous oxide, carbon monoxide and volatile organic compounds.
https://www.fastcompany.com/91190198/a-small-texas-town-has-been-haunted-by-a-noisy-bitcoin-mine-now-a-nearby-power-plant-could-make-things-even-worse
It's a big shame Texas government keep not doing job protecting their citizen. The Granbury resident probably should ask those politician to do a survey by living on their residential area for a month.
Poor Granbury residents can't catch a break. Bitcoin Marathon Digital, US Bitcoin Corp and other cryptocurrency mining company has really destroyed their lives and now a power company is getting ready to try and screw with them. 
Fixed that for you.
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