Topic: A Trump audit should prohibit him from running in 2024. - page 2. (Read 502 times)
It appears signature spammers are defaulting to team Trumptard. Interesting....
It's hard now for a confirmation. I cannot reject the advantages that Trump brought for the US. For me, anything has 2 sides
You are very correct because in respective of what people may think about that great man, he brought so many benefits to the US using his business mindset and experience. He is a good president that really brought money to the US economy making it more superb with much benefits to the citizens apart from sanctions.Getting to the end of his tenure, things started looking strange and then more people now think he had lost his mindset in making America great again. I like Trump and I think coming back to the white House would never be that easy for him which is very obvious.
So do you guys think Trump didn't steal boxes of National Security related documents on his way out of the White House?
Or do you think a US President on his way out of office should be able to take government records that are classified at the highest levels to keep for himself, in his basement?
Or do you just defend Trump at all costs no matter what?
I don't think any of you are idiots (notice I didn't include BADecker), its just baffling to me how irrational you all act when it comes to anything related to liberals or Trump.
Somehow you think that a President suddenly acts illegally, when all the while he is surrounded by some of the best lawyers and others who know the law. ..
And that would be true for someone who has a certain degree of humbleness and care for the views of other that are many times more knowledgeable than him. Having people that know and provide you with advice does not work when you always thing that you are the smartest guy in the room and that the rules of the universe do not apply to you or when you think you can get away with breaking the law - which will likely be the case.
It's hard now for a confirmation. I cannot reject the advantages that Trump brought for the US. For me, anything has 2 sides
The unexpected FBI raid on Donald Trump's Florida residence on Monday signaled a rapid uptick in the number of inquiries against the former president, and it raised new legal issues that, in theory, may change the outcome of the presidential election in the United States.
That's because some have said that Mr. Trump could be constitutionally barred from seeking the presidency again if the investigation, which is apparently related to his handling of sensitive presidential records, results in a conviction.
So let's examine this more closely. How far have the investigations into Mr. Trump come along, according to the FBI search, and might he truly be dissuaded from running in 2024?
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-62487602
All these investigations have not come up with a concrete proof the Donald Trump broke any law. For now they are baseless speculations and accusations until they are proved correct. Donald Trump has been going through massive court cases in different states in the US ranging from accusations of falsely raising or lowering his assets to get loans or tax cut to trying to influence vote results. That's because some have said that Mr. Trump could be constitutionally barred from seeking the presidency again if the investigation, which is apparently related to his handling of sensitive presidential records, results in a conviction.
So let's examine this more closely. How far have the investigations into Mr. Trump come along, according to the FBI search, and might he truly be dissuaded from running in 2024?
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-62487602
He is innocent until it is proved otherwise. The audit would not prohibit him from running for next presidential elections, but the outcome of the audit. If he is found guilty, the constitution or standard laws would stipulate punishment of sanctions.
I think this might not be a new trend. I believe US need an assertive president. Biden is too mek. No longer does world look towards US President for solutions of global problems. But yes US did played important role in creating the world as we know today. They ushered era of industrial development. They allowed distribution of wealth to poor countries, which Europe never did. They faught some humanitarian wars, some not so humanitarian ones also. But yes they were better then europeans , when they were at peak(i.e colonialism) .i think we still need a strong US President.
This is a dangerous game to be playing. You think when Biden leaves the white house he'll have any clue what boxes of what information are going where? The idea he would have anything to do with these types of decisions is hilarious to me. I can't wait to hear all the liberals talking about how senile Biden is and how he was too weak and incompetent to possibly steal boxes of information from the White House when the time comes. Democrats are hell bent on turning everything in this country into slippery slopes thinking they won't slide down them.
Wait are you saying former presidents shouldn't get in trouble for having boxes of classified documents that belong to the federal government in their basement (and closet apparently) years after leaving office because it might be an accident?
Don't you think the more slippery slope would be not holding someone responsible for the classified documents found in their basement?
If Trump wins in 2024 and then a bunch of classified documents are found in Bidens basement in 2026 ....your hair would be on fire. And I would agree with you, he should be held responsible.
This is a dangerous game to be playing. You think when Biden leaves the white house he'll have any clue what boxes of what information are going where? The idea he would have anything to do with these types of decisions is hilarious to me. I can't wait to hear all the liberals talking about how senile Biden is and how he was too weak and incompetent to possibly steal boxes of information from the White House when the time comes. Democrats are hell bent on turning everything in this country into slippery slopes thinking they won't slide down them.
Despite all these investigations and suspicions about Trump, I do not find anything to prevent him from running for a second presidential term. Trump does not care much about what is going on around him and will play on a winning card, in my opinion, which is (the economy). The American economy is deteriorating, there is an economic recession and the inflation rate is rising, so Trump would play his card well to sway American voters. Trump is a successful businessman (though I'm not a fan of him) who knows how to make money in a way no one would think.
A Trump audit will prove him innocent of wrongdoing, which will make him all he more popular.
Literally doesn't matter if he declassified any of it. Read the espionage act.
The Espionage Act applies to everybody. Trump, upon having the election stolen from him, declassified and took the documents to find the names of the deep state people who were engaged in espionage. He couldn't search while in office. So, he took them.
Sure, it was risky. And none of us know what he found. But Trump is very confident that he found enough to destroy the workings of the deep state.
Trump has the info. If the Dems use tactics like a crime of espionage against him, he will use it right back against them, along with all kinds of other things they are doing illegally and unconscionably.
According to the law, whether or not the documents are classified doesn't matter, it only matters if they contain "information relating to the national defense".
Declassifying a document relating to national defense doesn't make it not related to national defense anymore.
And most likely he's full of shit when he says they were declassified, at least according to people who would know.
"Nothing approaching an order that foolish was ever given. And I can't imagine anyone that worked at the White House after me that would have simply shrugged their shoulders and allowed that order to go forward without dying in the ditch trying to stop it"
John Kelly, chief of staff, Sec of Homeland Security, 3 star general
"a standing order to declassify documents taken to Mar-a-Lago did not exist"
"You don't just sort of get to say off the top of your head, 'oh, everything that I see today'"
Mick Mulvaney, chief of staff
"I was never briefed on any such order, procedure, policy when I came in. If he were to say something like that, you would have to memorialize that, so that people would know it existed."
"When somebody begins to concoct lies like this, it shows a real level of desperation,"
John Bolton, chief of staff
Literally doesn't matter if he declassified any of it. Read the espionage act.
The Espionage Act applies to everybody. Trump, upon having the election stolen from him, declassified and took the documents to find the names of the deep state people who were engaged in espionage. He couldn't search while in office. So, he took them.
Sure, it was risky. And none of us know what he found. But Trump is very confident that he found enough to destroy the workings of the deep state.
Trump has the info. If the Dems use tactics like a crime of espionage against him, he will use it right back against them, along with all kinds of other things they are doing illegally and unconscionably.
The President has the unilateral authority to determine which records are those related to his administration, and these decisions are not subject to court oversight. Before you respond with some hyperbole, I would preemptively respond that this is the law, as ruled by appelette courts. If you don't like this, you should petition Congress to change the law.
Irrelevant. Nobody is arguing about whether or not the documents are related to his administration. Why even bring that up? You don't think that being related to his administration equates to he gets to take them home with him after losing an election, do you?
We don't know what the documents in question are related to. I guess anything he touched while in office could arguably be considered related to his administration. I'm not sure I'm following your point though, I mean obviously you're trying to say that you think it's ok and legal for Trump to have boxes of documents marked classified/top secret/csi in his basement almost 2 years after he left office....are you really convinced that the President has and should have that authority? To take government property with him on the way out of office? Including documents that could contain national secrets? Do you see how stupid that would be for the country if it were true?
Instill don't understand why some persons are so much against Trump contesting in the coming election. Trump had done nothing wrong and we should not border his life if he thinks he want to contest for the upcoming presidential election. I think we need him to fix some of the things that are happening now. I am not against anyone contesting but all I think we want is the result we get from the president.
The President has the unilateral authority to determine which records are those related to his administration, and these decisions are not subject to court oversight. Before you respond with some hyperbole, I would preemptively respond that this is the law, as ruled by appelette courts. If you don't like this, you should petition Congress to change the law.
Irrelevant. Nobody is arguing about whether or not the documents are related to his administration. Why even bring that up? You don't think that being related to his administration equates to he gets to take them home with him after losing an election, do you?
Similarly, the President has the unilateral authority to decide that any document is not classified. As the Commander and Chief, the President has the final authority to declassify any arbitrary document. Further, there are many documents marked at various classification levels that are in the public domain, including newspaper articles by major news outlets.
False and also irrelevant.
False because The Atomic Energy Acts of 1946 and 1954 make anything related to the production of Nuclear Weapons inherently classified, which means they can't be declassified, even by Donald J Trump.
The President has the unilateral authority to determine which records are those related to his administration, and these decisions are not subject to court oversight. Before you respond with some hyperbole, I would preemptively respond that this is the law, as ruled by appelette courts. If you don't like this, you should petition Congress to change the law.
Irrelevant. Nobody is arguing about whether or not the documents are related to his administration. Why even bring that up? You don't think that being related to his administration equates to he gets to take them home with him after losing an election, do you?
Similarly, the President has the unilateral authority to decide that any document is not classified. As the Commander and Chief, the President has the final authority to declassify any arbitrary document. Further, there are many documents marked at various classification levels that are in the public domain, including newspaper articles by major news outlets.
False and also irrelevant.
False because The Atomic Energy Acts of 1946 and 1954 make anything related to the production of Nuclear Weapons inherently classified, which means they can't be declassified, even by Donald J Trump.
But let's not derail this conversation with that because the entire argument is irrelevant, as I've already explained to you in another thread (and accurately predicted you would keep coming back to this silly point):
Trump had the ultimate authority to declassify the documents in question. It would be stupid for Trump to not declassify a document he intended to bring to his home -- it is trivial for him to declassify a document.
Yes he did have that authority. But he did not have the authority to steal them and keep them in his basement after he left office. Also, none of the laws cited in the search warrant, like the espionage act for example, are dependent on whether or not the documents were classified.
Of course, Trump will continue to pretend like this whole case is about whether or not he declassified the documents he stole and kept in his basement, and then you will continue to repeat what he says, and I will continue to remind you that by repeating Trumps nonsense you're arguing that a President has the power to take any document he wants from any of the intelligence agencies and keep it for himself as a civilian - which is obviously a really freaking stupid argument.
So do you guys think Trump didn't steal boxes of National Security related documents on his way out of the White House?
Or do you think a US President on his way out of office should be able to take government records that are classified at the highest levels to keep for himself, in his basement?
The President has the unilateral authority to determine which records are those related to his administration, and these decisions are not subject to court oversight. Before you respond with some hyperbole, I would preemptively respond that this is the law, as ruled by appelette courts. If you don't like this, you should petition Congress to change the law.
Similarly, the President has the unilateral authority to decide that any document is not classified. As the Commander and Chief, the President has the final authority to declassify any arbitrary document. Further, there are many documents marked at various classification levels that are in the public domain, including newspaper articles by major news outlets.
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So do you guys think Trump didn't steal boxes of National Security related documents on his way out of the White House?
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So do you guys think Trump didn't steal boxes of National Security related documents on his way out of the White House?
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They do, apparently.. If Biden did something like that, instead of calling for the FBI to be disbanded, they'd be calling for The FBI to raid the Whitehouse and arrest him, because democrats EVIL... republicans GOOD.
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Or do you just defend Trump at all costs no matter what?
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Or do you just defend Trump at all costs no matter what?
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The ignorant cult of Trump will defend that crook no matter what, like Trump said himself....
https://www.cnn.com/2016/01/23/politics/donald-trump-shoot-somebody-support
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I don't think any of you are idiots (notice I didn't include BADecker),....
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I don't think any of you are idiots (notice I didn't include BADecker),....
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Hey! Now don't be disparaging my buddy BADecker. He cant help it, he was brainwashed as a child that evolution is a hoax and the invisible sky fairy is...oh wait,
not gonna get into that now ..there's billions of other farcical threads that cover that...
..... its just baffling to me how irrational you all act when it comes to anything related to liberals or Trump. It's like trying to talk to a die hard Yankees fan in October while he's drunk
about the Red Sox.
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about the Red Sox.
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Yeah but at least a die hard Yankees fan knows baseball and doesn't have the IQ of a common walnut.
Ever watched those interviews of Trump cultists at those retarded rallies he holds?
When it comes to how national secretes where handled, its on a whole different level as per the level of urgency and importance. One thing that has been made clear by the various hunts and the notion of prohibiting former president Trump from having a re-run at the elections for the position of the presidency is that, its already concluded that he could win. That would mean a continuation of what he didn't end in his previous tenor and that definitely won't be in the best interest of the people of America.
As it is, there haven't been some vital proofs on the said boxes and until then, it remains an accusation but I feel, the people of America should be democratic in handling the issue and have a candidate for the people to choose.
As it is, there haven't been some vital proofs on the said boxes and until then, it remains an accusation but I feel, the people of America should be democratic in handling the issue and have a candidate for the people to choose.
So do you guys think Trump didn't steal boxes of National Security related documents on his way out of the White House?
I don't think Trump could lift boxes of National Security related documents, let alone sneak them to his house from the White House. I think it's possible that aides were bribed into moving some boxes they shouldn't have or that an administrative error resulted in boxes being moved to the wrong place. Highly doubtful a billionaire who was just President of the United States was trying to steal boxes to sell.
You think he was trying to build a clubhouse or something?
Have you ever seen the movie Friday? Craig wasn't stealing boxes either, but they "had him on camera" supposedly. Sometimes you just have to use common sense. Trump isn't trying to sell out our national secrets. That's just plain dumb.
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