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Quote from: Hispo on August 22, 2023, 11:56:49 AM

Quote from: irsykes on August 21, 2023, 09:07:06 AM

Gambling becomes addictive when its use becomes compulsive and out of control, because the brain system has been exposed to stimulating gambling. in my neighborhood a lot of people are already addicted to gambling, which has led to the superstition of placing high hopes on slots or gambling. and it is very difficult to awaken people who are addicted to gambling to the point that they have lost great wealth to the point where they have nothing. although I am a gambler not as bad as things that are self-defeating

Out of curiosity what country are you from and what games are your neighbors addicted to?
When you talk about your neighbors, you mean those you are in charge of their households (the adults) or do you mean people who is relatively young and are supposed to be at school?

I ask because I have always had the theory that people living in far-away places and towns where there is relatively high poverty, are more prone to become addicted to all sorts of gambling as an escape to their bitter reality. It is something I have witnessed myself in my home town during a very difficult period of time when there was not much food and money.

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because of the feeling of hoping for a big win to make a deposit without calculations that makes people lose control, of course these are people who are already married. and up to divorce cases to suicide because of being in big debt because of playing slots. I, as a neighbor, say that family solutions are the main need, not gambling slots are the main thing. but the advice is useless for people who are already addicted.

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Quote from: elevates on August 21, 2023, 08:50:25 AM

I beg to differ as gamblers are basically addicts who have a tendency to lie. In regards to their downfall as an addict they would find another lie to reason their downfall. I have been comparing gambling addicts with alcohol addicts ans you would find the same behaviour. To an extent that these two addiction are more so similar with their addiction habit. They both hide their addiction, they hide themselves when they are satisfying their addiction. The steal money and they would kill anyone to satisfy themselves. Getting addicted is so bad that they even destroy their families reputation and the bond that holds the family together.

If you beg to differ, then I will say that you are wrong, first for generalizing gamblers as potential addict, I gamble too and I lost some money today, I have stream Netflix and I have forgotten I lost money today and for today lost, that's all till next week, and I will only play if there is a good match for me to pick, I play and don't expect anything even the ones I do have high hope of making good result; if it fail, I move on. There arw gamblers who are also like me and we are not addict, just play and have fun of it and cashout the days it's favours us.

Alcoholic person is one of the most transparent people you will ever meet, they will spew everything including all their problems to you and wouldn't find a reason to lie because when you drink farment drinks, you become sober and find people to talk to especially when you have much on your head that you think about, gamblers are quite different people and not like gamblers.

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Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on August 22, 2023, 09:17:01 AM

Well, feeling like one lacks the skill, information or luck needed to win all depends on what the gambler is playing, for those playing slot or casino games, they need non of those you mentioned aside luck, luck is the major driving factor when it comes gambling, even in sports betting, the knowledge, the skill,, the information might be there, but then, the gambler still need some little amount of luck to win, no luck means no win, and this is why some illucious gamblers, who believe in charms or other superstitious stuff go extra miles to acquire powers that will supposedly make sure they are always in good luck, and whether this stuff actually works, I can't tell, only those who have tried it can tell if it works or not.

Do we really need to go over this again because discussing on the role of luck vs skills and games dependence have always been misconceptions on the games that need luck or skills, I understand that some games only need luck to win them such as dice but more also, majority of other gambling games require some form of skills to win them and in doing so one also need to rely on luck to be able to make the right decision and taking the right stride at each hit. Take sports, for example, you need to have the skills to analyse the teams and thereafter you need luck in your game selection to win since football games are highly unpredictable.

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Quote from: irsykes on August 21, 2023, 09:07:06 AM

Gambling becomes addictive when its use becomes compulsive and out of control, because the brain system has been exposed to stimulating gambling. in my neighborhood a lot of people are already addicted to gambling, which has led to the superstition of placing high hopes on slots or gambling. and it is very difficult to awaken people who are addicted to gambling to the point that they have lost great wealth to the point where they have nothing. although I am a gambler not as bad as things that are self-defeating

Out of curiosity what country are you from and what games are your neighbors addicted to?
When you talk about your neighbors, you mean those you are in charge of their households (the adults) or do you mean people who is relatively young and are supposed to be at school?

I ask because I have always had the theory that people living in far-away places and towns where there is relatively high poverty, are more prone to become addicted to all sorts of gambling as an escape to their bitter reality. It is something I have witnessed myself in my home town during a very difficult period of time when there was not much food and money.

Thanks in advance !

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Quote from: Jawhead999 on August 22, 2023, 09:19:45 AM

Quote from: sompitonov on August 22, 2023, 06:42:40 AM

Yes, but all the same, there will always be such people who believe in various external forces, talismans and other nonsense. And no one can convince them of this. Superstitions in medicine can do more harm to human health than in gambling. Although in some small cases in medicine it is possible to cure some psychological diseases through self-hypnosis. Including gambling addiction.

Superstition isn't always related with psychological disease, I think almost everyone have such believe because it's related to experience, people always remember something based on their experience. That's why when someone carry a weird stuff, I'm not really surprised because when you ask them about that weird stuff, they can explain how the stuff can give a luck to them in the past.

But don't be surprised if they will avoid and keep a safe distance from you from knowing what their bets are because that's also one of their beliefs where they strongly believe that it will contradict to their bets and get unlucky if they share their prediction which will lead them to more losses. I guess you don't want to get blamed for that Cheesy

So, let's just respect them for that because that's their life to begin with and nothing will make them change mainly if they are already accustomed to it.

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Quote from: sompitonov on August 22, 2023, 06:42:40 AM

Yes, but all the same, there will always be such people who believe in various external forces, talismans and other nonsense. And no one can convince them of this. Superstitions in medicine can do more harm to human health than in gambling. Although in some small cases in medicine it is possible to cure some psychological diseases through self-hypnosis. Including gambling addiction.

Superstition isn't always related with psychological disease, I think almost everyone have such believe because it's related to experience, people always remember something based on their experience. That's why when someone carry a weird stuff, I'm not really surprised because when you ask them about that weird stuff, they can explain how the stuff can give a luck to them in the past.

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Quote from: Jody.Drummer on August 22, 2023, 06:04:24 AM

That's right, and it happens because they are too ambitious and put great faith in gambling, and also they assume that winning in gambling is easy but they have to admit that getting a win is very difficult, why do they assume that winning is easy to achieve? it's because before most likely they have won that they themselves do not believe that they have won, even though they did not do anything significant but the victory came by itself. This means that it is very clear that gambling is only about luck that will answer all the results in the end, there is no way that can increase their chances of winning except to reduce the rate of defeat by doing some self-control. Previously I also said that gambling runs under the subconscious of people, they are too happy to do it until they unconsciously lose their mind and all they want is to continue gambling to pursue victory like in the past. Therefore, I hope you don't put too much ambition in gambling, keep thinking of gambling only as an act of fun and leisure, because if we take it too seriously, it is likely that it will be like what you said here that they will experience superstition with too high hopes of winning.

This is why it's important to set boundaries so you won't get swayed and eventually be lost in the process of gambling. If you are lucky enough to experience several wins, be contented and do not aim for more especially if you know it to yourself that you don't have what it takes - the skills, information, and luck needed in order to win. Because clearly, being so hopeful can bring you down as well. If you won't stop being ambitious and greedy, you'll likely taste losses first hand.

Well, feeling like one lacks the skill, information or luck needed to win all depends on what the gambler is playing, for those playing slot or casino games, they need non of those you mentioned aside luck, luck is the major driving factor when it comes gambling, even in sports betting, the knowledge, the skill,, the information might be there, but then, the gambler still need some little amount of luck to win, no luck means no win, and this is why some illucious gamblers, who believe in charms or other superstitious stuff go extra miles to acquire powers that will supposedly make sure they are always in good luck, and whether this stuff actually works, I can't tell, only those who have tried it can tell if it works or not.

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Quote from: sompitonov on August 22, 2023, 06:42:40 AM

Yes, but all the same, there will always be such people who believe in various external forces, talismans and other nonsense. And no one can convince them of this. Superstitions in medicine can do more harm to human health than in gambling. Although in some small cases in medicine it is possible to cure some psychological diseases through self-hypnosis. Including gambling addiction.

It is normal that we may still see such superstitious people and we cannot change them to let go of superstitions. It was their belief that nothing could influence them to leave.

But sometimes, there are superstitious things that many people can't accept, but in reality, it can happen in some areas. I don't know how it could happen but it really did. But I don't know, I also don't know superstitious things like that. But I've heard of people going to certain places or talking to a medium to ask for her help in winning something. As for the result, I also don't know because I don't know the story.

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Quote from: summonerrk on August 21, 2023, 09:16:23 AM

Quote from: irsykes on August 21, 2023, 09:07:06 AM

Gambling becomes addictive when its use becomes compulsive and out of control, because the brain system has been exposed to stimulating gambling. in my neighborhood a lot of people are already addicted to gambling, which has led to the superstition of placing high hopes on slots or gambling. and it is very difficult to awaken people who are addicted to gambling to the point that they have lost great wealth to the point where they have nothing. although I am a gambler not as bad as things that are self-defeating

Even very serious people are subject to superstition. These are not necessarily gamblers. For some reason, we all want to believe in higher forces that control everything around us, and we are only insignificant and small. That's why we enter into all sorts of rituals, as the author of the topic described, for example. There are many Serbian professions where people are also subject to superstitions, for example, my friend the train driver does not play at the casino, but he is very superstitious and he has certain rituals. I think every person will never refuse to believe that he can influence his fate. That's why when the dice roll on the chair, even atheists will pray.

Gambling superstitions are different from sacrificing things that already exist and end up being lost, but if superstitions of other things might be better, big hopes change a different fate. hope that fate will change in the world of gambling, only a few percent of bookies have power, the hope of wanting to win every day is impossible.

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Quote from: zuzie on August 22, 2023, 04:58:42 AM

In my opinion, not everyone who plays gambling is superstitious. Superstitions are often even used in things like medicine. If the person is playing gambling in a superstitious way, in my opinion this is something very stupid and a waste of time. Of course this will also be detrimental to ourselves because in gambling we cannot predict when we will win or lose.

Yes, not everyone, let alone people in big cities, most of those who still believe in superstition are usually village people who used to gamble on the lottery, they usually get lottery numbers to bet on psychics or something like that, this has been going on for a long time, even today it is still there are those who still use something superstitious in gambling and that is really out of sync with modern technology today and still use techniques like that.

Some people might still use it for sports betting too, even though technologically we can use AI technology to analyze and predict the strength of each team even if we are lazy to do research we can use that technology, but people think it's easier to use superstitious methods a powerful way even though it would definitely be a waste of time and in vain.

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Quote from: Jody.Drummer on August 22, 2023, 06:04:24 AM

That's right, and it happens because they are too ambitious and put great faith in gambling, and also they assume that winning in gambling is easy but they have to admit that getting a win is very difficult, why do they assume that winning is easy to achieve? it's because before most likely they have won that they themselves do not believe that they have won, even though they did not do anything significant but the victory came by itself. This means that it is very clear that gambling is only about luck that will answer all the results in the end, there is no way that can increase their chances of winning except to reduce the rate of defeat by doing some self-control. Previously I also said that gambling runs under the subconscious of people, they are too happy to do it until they unconsciously lose their mind and all they want is to continue gambling to pursue victory like in the past. Therefore, I hope you don't put too much ambition in gambling, keep thinking of gambling only as an act of fun and leisure, because if we take it too seriously, it is likely that it will be like what you said here that they will experience superstition with too high hopes of winning.

This is why it's important to set boundaries so you won't get swayed and eventually be lost in the process of gambling. If you are lucky enough to experience several wins, be contented and do not aim for more especially if you know it to yourself that you don't have what it takes - the skills, information, and luck needed in order to win. Because clearly, being so hopeful can bring you down as well. If you won't stop being ambitious and greedy, you'll likely taste losses first hand.

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Quote from: zuzie on August 22, 2023, 04:58:42 AM

Quote from: irsykes on August 21, 2023, 09:07:06 AM

Gambling becomes addictive when its use becomes compulsive and out of control, because the brain system has been exposed to stimulating gambling. in my neighborhood a lot of people are already addicted to gambling, which has led to the superstition of placing high hopes on slots or gambling. and it is very difficult to awaken people who are addicted to gambling to the point that they have lost great wealth to the point where they have nothing. although I am a gambler not as bad as things that are self-defeating

In my opinion, not everyone who plays gambling is superstitious. Superstitions are often even used in things like medicine. If the person is playing gambling in a superstitious way, in my opinion this is something very stupid and a waste of time. Of course this will also be detrimental to ourselves because in gambling we cannot predict when we will win or lose.

Yes, but all the same, there will always be such people who believe in various external forces, talismans and other nonsense. And no one can convince them of this. Superstitions in medicine can do more harm to human health than in gambling. Although in some small cases in medicine it is possible to cure some psychological diseases through self-hypnosis. Including gambling addiction.

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Quote from: irsykes on August 21, 2023, 09:07:06 AM

Gambling becomes addictive when its use becomes compulsive and out of control, because the brain system has been exposed to stimulating gambling. in my neighborhood a lot of people are already addicted to gambling, which has led to the superstition of placing high hopes on slots or gambling. and it is very difficult to awaken people who are addicted to gambling to the point that they have lost great wealth to the point where they have nothing. although I am a gambler not as bad as things that are self-defeating

That's right, and it happens because they are too ambitious and put great faith in gambling, and also they assume that winning in gambling is easy but they have to admit that getting a win is very difficult, why do they assume that winning is easy to achieve? it's because before most likely they have won that they themselves do not believe that they have won, even though they did not do anything significant but the victory came by itself. This means that it is very clear that gambling is only about luck that will answer all the results in the end, there is no way that can increase their chances of winning except to reduce the rate of defeat by doing some self-control. Previously I also said that gambling runs under the subconscious of people, they are too happy to do it until they unconsciously lose their mind and all they want is to continue gambling to pursue victory like in the past. Therefore, I hope you don't put too much ambition in gambling, keep thinking of gambling only as an act of fun and leisure, because if we take it too seriously, it is likely that it will be like what you said here that they will experience superstition with too high hopes of winning.

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Quote from: irsykes on August 21, 2023, 09:07:06 AM

Gambling becomes addictive when its use becomes compulsive and out of control, because the brain system has been exposed to stimulating gambling. in my neighborhood a lot of people are already addicted to gambling, which has led to the superstition of placing high hopes on slots or gambling. and it is very difficult to awaken people who are addicted to gambling to the point that they have lost great wealth to the point where they have nothing. although I am a gambler not as bad as things that are self-defeating

In my opinion, not everyone who plays gambling is superstitious. Superstitions are often even used in things like medicine. If the person is playing gambling in a superstitious way, in my opinion this is something very stupid and a waste of time. Of course this will also be detrimental to ourselves because in gambling we cannot predict when we will win or lose.

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Quote from: bitcampaign on August 16, 2023, 12:29:48 AM

I believe it, friend, what you said is really happening at this time, they are enjoying what they play in gambling, even though they continue to experience defeat when gambling, but I was very surprised and got statements from several sources related to gambling, regarding settings that have been set by gambling sites around the world whether online or offline and later the player will be given a win in playing only once and will be given continuous defeat without the players realizing it, whether it's true or not I got this information from some outside media, at least we can avoid sites like that even though there will always be defeats in gambling, it's true what you conveyed in this discussion and everyone has their own portion and only plays for what's appropriate.

It's a totally different thing if a casino is not loyal to its customers and has rigged its games or settings so that the players win some money initially and then lose continuously, and this is the reason why it is not recommended to use unknown or not very famous platforms since the chances of them manipulating the outcomes are high, but when you gamble with a platform that is trusted and has a good reputation among the community, you will be safe.

However, if you are gambling on a trusted and reputable platform and you still experience things like that and you feel like it's happening all the time, then I would simply say that you are just being superstitious and nothing else because the outcomes of gambling are only based on luck.

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Quote from: molsewid on August 21, 2023, 11:54:44 AM

Quote from: abel1337 on August 21, 2023, 10:01:00 AM

Follow what you want to do. Not all people blame the one that give them inspiration to do the bet but yeah it can have some effect on the people who shares their bet especially if they get some negative feedback. I would probably won't care about people who suffered losses because I shared my bet, I didn't obliged them to follow my bets and if they lose, surely I lose to.

Gamblers are on the right mind to do what they want and it is their responsibility for their bets, at least they should make their own research to convince themselves. There are gamblers who just blame people because it is their coping mechanism and it's bad.

Yes, if they gamble and they lose that is not your responsibility nor your accountability. Every gambler I think has their own belief and their own thing about this thing , some have their myths some have their own lucky charms . But the thing is they just need to enjoy the game nothing else, they dont need to follow other people's tips and tricks or other people advices.

Lol, this may appear or come out to be funny, but sincerely speaking, how do you attribute the phrase "enjoy the game" to people who bet on such games with lucky charms, or by one myth or the other? Isn't it obvious enough that such people are not after the excitement In the game, but much more (particularly) interested in how they can make money off the games?

Anyways, honestly and seriously speaking now, not everyone betting on game are doing so out of excitement or fun, we still have many people who are in sports solely for money, and some of this people most of the time go the extra miles just to be able to predict the outcome of matches correctly, even if it means doing diabolical stuffs.

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Quote from: irsykes on August 21, 2023, 09:07:06 AM

Gambling becomes addictive when its use becomes compulsive and out of control, because the brain system has been exposed to stimulating gambling. in my neighborhood a lot of people are already addicted to gambling, which has led to the superstition of placing high hopes on slots or gambling. and it is very difficult to awaken people who are addicted to gambling to the point that they have lost great wealth to the point where they have nothing. although I am a gambler not as bad as things that are self-defeating

Even very serious people are subject to superstition. These are not necessarily gamblers. For some reason, we all want to believe in higher forces that control everything around us, and we are only insignificant and small. That's why we enter into all sorts of rituals, as the author of the topic described, for example. There are many Serbian professions where people are also subject to superstitions, for example, my friend the train driver does not play at the casino, but he is very superstitious and he has certain rituals. I think every person will never refuse to believe that he can influence his fate. That's why when the dice roll on the chair, even atheists will pray.

You reminded me a great joke which is from a country near Serbia in the Balkans,in there they say when the plane is crashing down even atheists will become avid believers and that shows how small we are compared to the world we live in.In this context everyone has their own superstitions but in gambling and among gamblers we will see a lot of them,we even see in F1 the drivers kissing their car for good luck so all sort of superstitions in all kind of different people.I think this is not beneficial though,we should know that we control our fate when we don't roll the dice or go to the casino as this way we avoid losing money as a sure thing compared to rituals of superstition that supposedly can help us win money.

I know that football players have a lot of strange and funny rituals. And there is nothing surprising in this, because if you are trained, and a lot depends only on luck, then you will definitely perform a couple of rituals, because a lot of money and sports victories are at stake.
Did you know that Antoine Griezmann loves Spongebob cartoon?
Therefore, in important matches, he wears underpants with the image of this cartoon character. And it seems to have worked, he showed himself to be the top scorer at Euro 2016. It's hard not to believe in such rituals after this.

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Quote from: abel1337 on August 21, 2023, 10:01:00 AM

Follow what you want to do. Not all people blame the one that give them inspiration to do the bet but yeah it can have some effect on the people who shares their bet especially if they get some negative feedback. I would probably won't care about people who suffered losses because I shared my bet, I didn't obliged them to follow my bets and if they lose, surely I lose to.

Gamblers are on the right mind to do what they want and it is their responsibility for their bets, at least they should make their own research to convince themselves. There are gamblers who just blame people because it is their coping mechanism and it's bad.

Yes, if they gamble and they lose that is not your responsibility nor your accountability. Every gambler I think has their own belief and their own thing about this thing , some have their myths some have their own lucky charms . But the thing is they just need to enjoy the game nothing else, they dont need to follow other people's tips and tricks or other people advices.

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Quote from: bitcampaign on August 16, 2023, 12:29:48 AM

Quote from: mirakal on August 15, 2023, 01:54:55 PM

That is not new anymore to me mate. A lot of gamblers I know are greedy and even selfish that even their bets are carefully kept and never shared because just like what you said, the luck will gone out if it’s been disclosed to a lot of bettors. That’s the reason why most of these gamblers are secretly losing too and only announce their bets if ever they won, but most of the time, losing is inevitable.

I believe gambling is very unpredictable. That’s why I don’t believe any of this superstition. If you lose, it’s possible that you don’t hit the winning bet, not only because that you don’t have the luck that time.

I believe it, friend, what you said is really happening at this time, they are enjoying what they play in gambling, even though they continue to experience defeat when gambling, but I was very surprised and got statements from several sources related to gambling, regarding settings that have been set by gambling sites around the world whether online or offline and later the player will be given a win in playing only once and will be given continuous defeat without the players realizing it, whether it's true or not I got this information from some outside media, at least we can avoid sites like that even though there will always be defeats in gambling, it's true what you conveyed in this discussion and everyone has their own portion and only plays for what's appropriate.

Every business, including gambling sites, is in it for profit. Do you honestly believe these sites would function if every Tom, Dick, and Harry came out winning?

Now, the idea that sites give players one win and then continuous losses is a captivating conspiracy theory, but where's the concrete proof? You trust "some outside media" like they're the holy grail of truth? Cute.

Let's be honest: Gambling has always been a risky venture, and yes, while some sites might be more honest than others, the notion of a vast global conspiracy is a tad too Hollywood for me. Play responsibly, and don't play at all if you can't handle the heat.

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Quote from: AicecreaME on August 21, 2023, 09:11:42 AM

Quote from: elevates on August 21, 2023, 08:50:25 AM

I beg to differ as gamblers are basically addicts who have a tendency to lie. In regards to their downfall as an addict they would find another lie to reason their downfall. I have been comparing gambling addicts with alcohol addicts ans you would find the same behaviour. To an extent that these two addiction are more so similar with their addiction habit. They both hide their addiction, they hide themselves when they are satisfying their addiction. The steal money and they would kill anyone to satisfy themselves. Getting addicted is so bad that they even destroy their families reputation and the bond that holds the family together.

This is the dark and worst side of being a gambling addict. It's hard to acknowledge these, but it's the truth. Most often, those who are addicted to their vices do the vilest things just to satisfy and fulfill their desire. Moral compass is no longer on the table for them the moment they want to achieve something. It's harsh, but it's the reality. When these people no longer prioritize their needs and no longer cares about their surroundings, things will get chaotic even more for them and for the people around them.

Hence, medical intervention is needed in order to combat gambling addiction. If there would be no proper move to resolve it, it will just worsen and God knows what will happen next. Self-destruction is one thing, and perhaps they can go low as you mentioned like destroying their loved ones lives or doing illegal stuff just to be able to gamble.

You are correct, of course, when it comes to the negative consequences of gambling addiction. This beast has the ability to devour lives. But let's not delude ourselves: vices have always been a part of the human experience, have they not? Every civilisation has its share of diversion and intoxicants.

Ethics compass? Come on, it has always been pliable. Today's "moral" might not be tomorrow's. Like everyone else, gamblers are simply creatures of evolution, with a natural desire for gain. And if they go beyond bounds? That's just the character of humanity reflected in that.

medical assistance? It is, indeed, a patch. The true problem, though, is innate in us. Regarding the statement "God knows what will happen next," history has repeatedly demonstrated that mankind is its own worst enemy. Thus, rather than blaming gamblers alone, examine society as a whole.

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