a world witout money not even bitcoin - page 2.

Don007

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Live like there is no tomorrow!

Quote from: bryant.coleman on April 02, 2014, 10:09:31 AM

Quote from: b!z on April 02, 2014, 08:07:56 AM

What makes you think that?

Because even barter is some sort of money. And no one can become 100% self sufficient.

Agree, I share that vision that allmost no one can become self sufficient. I think there are some people which really are. They live in jungles, and eat by collecting foods and hunting.

But then the question, do you want to live like that? I like the more luxiour life, allthough this means that yes, we've to work to get salary = cash = money to pay for things.

bryant.coleman

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Quote from: b!z on April 02, 2014, 08:07:56 AM

What makes you think that?

Because even barter is some sort of money. And no one can become 100% self sufficient.

Don007

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Live like there is no tomorrow!

If we didn't had money to trade, we would have used something less easier. For example KG's of salt, or breads etc.

There's no world where people all do things for eachother without a return. In the end, everyone has to eat.

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Quote from: Kiki112 on April 02, 2014, 09:36:04 AM

that's communism, the one who started such a project would probably get some "freedom" from the US and it's minions Cheesy

Thankfully, there are less and less nation willing to go down that route.
Even Communism uses money. When the USSR was founded, they printed an insane amount of money, which made poor all of the population, even those that used to belong to the bourgeoisi and were quite rich. That's how they could control them so easily.

Kiki112

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that's communism, the one who started such a project would probably get some "freedom" from the US and it's minions Cheesy

Bitcoin Magazine

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because someone gave me 2600BTC for free in 2009 means it's my obligation to share them

i will put them in an unlimited credit card account (brainwallet 21121)

we will be the Priests of Syprinx together!!

b!z

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on April 02, 2014, 01:14:24 AM

BS. We will not be able to function properly without some sort of money.

What makes you think that?

bryant.coleman

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BS. We will not be able to function properly without some sort of money.

Caelan

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Gonna be boring everyday.

kuroman

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You get payed in a sort of good that you'll trade for something else, it would be more or less the same thing

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Quote from: troy112 on March 31, 2014, 03:16:29 PM

Money is nothing but an exchange medium. Its us that are making it evil. We are running for money all our life rather than enjoying it. Its become a human mature to do this. And if we don't change will be go on damaging our lives and everthing thing else, for just a trading medium

not true. rich people aren't happy. look at that happy couple who r*ped their own daughter. what a pest

i'm not Mitt, but close. and i'd rather not post the guy that just dodged jail because his daughter is a little snaddily poo Cry

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Quote from: mgburks77 on March 31, 2014, 02:57:17 PM

Ayn Rand?

c'mon

Care to elaborate?

troy112

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Money is nothing but an exchange medium. Its us that are making it evil. We are running for money all our life rather than enjoying it. Its become a human mature to do this. And if we don't change will be go on damaging our lives and everthing thing else, for just a trading medium

Bitcoin Magazine

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well once we get credit cards workin we can get a public credit card for poor people that withdrawals from Bitcoin wallet 2112

spazzdla

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Quote from: DubFX on March 31, 2014, 05:54:13 AM

You're not alone my friend but there's nothing we could do about it at all.
Money=god of this era sadly.

This is the truth right here. MONEY IS GOD.. Paper.. controlled by a select few has become our god.

Money.. or at least the idea is needed though as trading for everything just won't work. The problem is our monetary system is controlled by a cartel.

mgburks77

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Ayn Rand?

c'mon

lynn_402

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Money is simply a tool of exchange, with which two parties may trade values in a way that benefits both, without having the problem of finding a buyer for bartering specific goods you produced.
There's nothing evil about this.
The fiat system is indeed corrupted in an evil way, but a currency whose value is not based on whims of political parties solves that problem (of course, Bitcoin) .

Please, if you're not convinced, read this excerpt from a book by Ayn Rand, about money: http://capitalismmagazine.com/2002/08/franciscos-money-speech/

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faith in TRANSACTION is what we need.

a boolean credit card that either accepts or denys your transaction based on your lives story (hee hee)

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Quote from: bitgeek on March 31, 2014, 07:29:06 AM

The money itself is not the problem. The modern society is. Everyone thinks he's better with a smartphone in one hand and car keys in the other. Media shout every day "you need a new phone, you need clothes designed by that guy". If there are no money people will find other valuables to trade with like diamonds, precious metals and continue to buy junk they don't need.

The actual purpose of money is to provide a standard in which social status can be symbolized. The more money you have the more access to society's production you are entitled to.

So that is the entire motivation for it. It's pretty primitive really because it's still just a fancy version of shells or beads that were used for this purpose in earlier times.

mgburks77

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As soon as collectivized production reaches a surplus a market will emerge to distribute whatever surplus is produced. If you don't want markets there is central planning or participatory planning for distribution alternatives.

So you can't really go backward to individual production as in what transpired before complex social organization emerged so you have to go forward.

However there are technical advances that will enable individualized production again without real surplus being developed now. If we are able to decentralize or even individualize production and political economy through technical means there would be no need to for the individual produce surpluses for sale in order to actualize their potential.

There is also the idea of each citizen receiving a living wage simply for existing, in which collective production could remain but you still have automation of most jobs to consider.

Anyway you slice it coercive economic pressure to control behavior or to enforce social conformity is counterproductive when long range considerations are part of the perspective.

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