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Topic: A4 Dominator - Pre-Order Group Buy - 280mh, roughly 1000w, $1800 + shipping - page 19. (Read 122577 times)

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No way A4's ROI in a year.  Given diff rises you will be lucky to ROI in two years.

Here is my math for one unit (~140 MH/s) bought at Aliexpress and with my electricity price:



Not too bad. But diff going up by 10% in the next 3 days. Who knows what it will be in the next two months. If you double the diff to 140,000 and put LTC price at $3.00 USD then run your calculator, you will see that 2 year ROI.

You must at least estimate future difficulty increases to get some realistic ROI.


As you can see LTC, is again skyrocketing due to the recent price increase.
Here's a sample assuming LTC is difficulty is growing 0.5% per period (very conservative). I used your 140MH/520W/0.04c/KwH and yielded a different result with difficulty growing.  It can definitely be improved by profit switching.
http://www.vnbitcoin.org/detailcalculationltc.php?name=LiteCoin_Mining_Rig&startdate=2016-12-28&costperunit=1180&wattperhour=520&gigahazarate=140000&daytoincrease=3&testlopfirst=3&diffincrement=.5&bitcoinperdollar=4.3&electriccostinput=.04&begindifflevel=70628
legendary
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Get Paid Crypto To Walk or Drive
However if you want to make it a little more realistic, adjust that hash rate down to something you will actually see pool side.  You will get nowhere near the advertised hash rate on average.  At least I don't.  That changes the picture quite a bit. 

BTW, nice power rate, most of us could only wish.   Grin

Yea agreed, I get on average around 230-240 MH/s, so that needs to be factored into the payback.  In all, these are just too high priced for me to pull the trigger on one.

Although I would like Inno to come back to this thread and make a comment on the under performing hashrate of these units. I assume there is no planned compensation or anything they will do about them running 15 to 17% slower than advertised?
hero member
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However if you want to make it a little more realistic, adjust that hash rate down to something you will actually see pool side.  You will get nowhere near the advertised hash rate on average.  At least I don't.  That changes the picture quite a bit. 

BTW, nice power rate, most of us could only wish.   Grin
sr. member
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If you mine other smaller Mofo coins like gamecredits with 0,04$ price electricity you gona break even faster.
sr. member
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No way A4's ROI in a year.  Given diff rises you will be lucky to ROI in two years.

Here is my math for one unit (~140 MH/s) bought at Aliexpress and with my electricity price:



Not too bad. But diff going up by 10% in the next 3 days. Who knows what it will be in the next two months. If you double the diff to 140,000 and put LTC price at $3.00 USD then run your calculator, you will see that 2 year ROI.
legendary
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A humble Siberian miner
No way A4's ROI in a year.  Given diff rises you will be lucky to ROI in two years.

Here is my math for one unit (~140 MH/s) bought at Aliexpress and with my electricity price:

sr. member
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I believe the questions were asked above and i would be looking for an answer as well:

1)  does inno mine with the a4s or just sell them?
2) how many are you going to mass produce?

These are 2 key factors in my decision making on purchase or not purchase.  Thanks

Even if they answered your questions, would you believe them? Just look at the rise in hash rate and know that Inno is the cause of this.  They want more people to pay their high prices for the A4. LTC price is going up due to BTC. As soon as BTC price cools off, LTC will fall. No way A4's ROI in a year.  Given diff rises you will be lucky to ROI in two years.  If anyone wants to chime in and tell people when they got their A4 and how much they have made since then, this will provide a baseline. Thanks.
hero member
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Just a couple of states away from me.  I have already been in contact with the person receiving the jig so they are aware it is coming.

Update: I just looked at the way bill attached to the jig and Inno declared the value of the jig as $100.  So that is interesting. Not sure if that is the amount I should insure it for when I ship it  Huh
legendary
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I don't know how the order has been determined.  I was just informed who to send it to next.  So I should have it in the mail tomorrow.  Hopefully it arrives undamaged. 

I was going to try and repack this in a more secure way, nothing I came up with made any sense.  I may see if I can find another sheet of foam to put over the top of the jig to keep it in place better, but I will have to see what I can come up with around the house. 
Are you sending it somewhere near or far?
hero member
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I don't know how the order has been determined.  I was just informed who to send it to next.  So I should have it in the mail tomorrow.  Hopefully it arrives undamaged. 

I was going to try and repack this in a more secure way, nothing I came up with made any sense.  I may see if I can find another sheet of foam to put over the top of the jig to keep it in place better, but I will have to see what I can come up with around the house. 
legendary
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Thank you Inno for the update.  I have been asked to forward the jig onto the next person on the list so that will be going out in the mail this week. 
Do we know how the order has been determined? Is it geographical to minimize shipping costs or by order of purchase or other?
Just wondering as I ocasionally am out of town for business trips, and I have one in Jan for 2 weeks in Little Rock...
Would like to know where I am in the queue for planning purposes, and prefer to not just have it drop at my doorstep with little warning.
legendary
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I believe the questions were asked above and i would be looking for an answer as well:

1)  does inno mine with the a4s or just sell them?
2) how many are you going to mass produce?

These are 2 key factors in my decision making on purchase or not purchase.  Thanks
hero member
Activity: 868
Merit: 517
Thank you Inno for the update.  I have been asked to forward the jig onto the next person on the list so that will be going out in the mail this week. 
full member
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Innosilicon ASIC official representative
full member
Activity: 243
Merit: 108
Innosilicon ASIC official representative
anyone knows how to set the #xnsub settings on the A4s if mining on stratum+tcp://scrypt.usa.nicehash.com:3333 ?
Hi, this is not supported in A4
legendary
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---- winter*juvia -----
Dear friends,

2017 is around the corner, we would like to take this opportunity to express our gratitude for your trust and support all the time over the years!

Chinese new year is coming, next 3 months you will enjoy no competition in mining since Chinese new year will stop all new production. Only A4 is available in volumes.

No better timing than now, limited A4 before Chinese new year!

Most important factor about mining is mine fast before any steep increase in hash power. Mine 1st makes profit 1st! The best mining time is now. 1st batch A4 buyers are already making money!

Mine now and enjoy the profit today!

Sales team wish you a Merry Chirstmas!

Some Questions:

1. After CNY, Innosilicon will be resuming A4 production?

2. How many A4 are going be for sales into the market after CNY?

3. Is Innosilicon also mining with A4 in addition to manufacturing? Can you help clear this because I would like to understand your company's business model.

4. Is "#xnsub" feature supported in A4?
full member
Activity: 243
Merit: 108
Innosilicon ASIC official representative
Dear friends,

2017 is around the corner, we would like to take this opportunity to express our gratitude for your trust and support all the time over the years!

Chinese new year is coming, next 3 months you will enjoy no competition in mining since Chinese new year will stop all new production. Only A4 is available in volumes.

No better timing than now, limited A4 before Chinese new year!

Most important factor about mining is mine fast before any steep increase in hash power. Mine 1st makes profit 1st! The best mining time is now. 1st batch A4 buyers are already making money!

Mine now and enjoy the profit today!

A4 Support team wish you a Merry Chirstmas!

More info please contact [email protected]
legendary
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Get Paid Crypto To Walk or Drive
Yes, LTC now at 3.63 and falling I won't be buying any more A4's at this price.  The price needs to come down.  Diff increase and lower LTC price is just too much for me to justify this price point and it does not appear to be improving any time soon.
The price of LTC has increased around $4.60 per LTC today.  Wink


I saw that. Can't quite justify the price yet to pull the trigger on 3 more, but it definately helps for the one I have
full member
Activity: 243
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Innosilicon ASIC official representative
Yes, LTC now at 3.63 and falling I won't be buying any more A4's at this price.  The price needs to come down.  Diff increase and lower LTC price is just too much for me to justify this price point and it does not appear to be improving any time soon.
The price of LTC has increased around $4.60 per LTC today.  Wink
full member
Activity: 243
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Innosilicon ASIC official representative
Got my unit this evening and have been working to get it setup.  I am using a LEPA 1600 watt PSU, but the 2 units won't start up with it.  I can get the red lights blinking, but when I start the units up, everything just shuts off.  I can start each unit individually, but not sure whats going on when trying to run both.  Any ideas?

tbh i'm just surprised you bought one. they are obviously garbage in their CURRENT state...
Our batch 3 miners works very stable now among customers. If you are batch 1&2 users, please feel free to contact us for the Jig delivery. We are glad to help. If you didn't even have one A4, then we will doubt if you are from our competitors.
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