Topic: Abortion is the leading cause of death during the pandemic, killing 37 million - page 3. (Read 1089 times)

in which case it is upto elon must to decide who should be allowed in his delivery system. and even when inside the delivery system, elon can terminate the mission. for any reason he chooses.

just being strapped into a space shuttle seat does not give you automatic right to be delivered to space

as for badeckers endless rand about 'embryo has same dna as baby.
sorry but no it doesnt

as cells divide and become different body parts. the dna becomes more detailed. its like a basecode at embryo that then self writes into complex code.

an adult has different dna than it has at embryo.
yep. its why cloning is complex. because you cant just put an adults dna into an empty stem cell/egg
you need to find the base code of the adults complex dna.

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that is the dumbed down summary. but in very short form if thats too mind bending for you..
.. a zygote is not the same as a embryo, whic is not the same as a blastocyst, which is not the same as a fetus

Bu konuyu baz alacak olursak. Trafik kazaları, açlık vb. nedenlerle yıllık oranı baz alırsak epeyce ölüm oranı var.
İnsanların bilinçsiz yaşamasından, bencil davranışlarından ve düşünmeden eyleme geçmesinden kaynaklı. Bilakis covid salgının ölüm oranının yıllık bazında bu kadar fazla oluşu salgın konusunda toplumların yeterli duyarlılık sağlamamasından kaynaklıdır. Ölüm oranları düşürmek istiyorsak insanların dahada bilnçli olmasını sağlamalıyız. Ücra köylerde hatta ücra kelimesi yanlış olur, norminal düzeyde ilçelerde bile insanlar, toplumun ahlak çerçevesinde uyandırdığı baskılardan dolayı çiftler bariyer yönteminden bile bihaber. Kürtaj da bunun kaçınılmaz sonu oluyor. Vel hâsılı kelam, bilinçli toplum yaşam riskini minimuma düşüren en büyük faktördür.

What in the world happened to you, franky1? Did you go on a bad LSD trip, and come back without much ability to think, but with an ego about 10 times the size you had before?

When Elon Musk gets his moon shot ready, go on out to the moon. Walk around naked on the moon, and see how long you live without life support. You are welcome to take your walker.

There are some great points raised by @BADecker here, and undeniable empirical evidence about the nature and progress of human life cannot be overlooked to further political agendas with ulterior motives.

Human baby is arguably the weakest of all newborns in mammals, and one distinguishing feature separates it from all other babies: that it needs far more meticulous nurture and care compared to all other mammalian life forms.

In fact almost all modern doctors agree that if you just feed and change the diapers of a newborn without taking care of its emotional and social needs, there is a very high chance that it will die...

This places tremendous responsibility of successfully raising a human baby on not just the mother, but on the entire family. If / when the mother decides to keep a baby, the extended family and the greater human society are entering into an unwritten contract with the mother that they will play an active role in the nurturing of such a precious and delicate life form till it's truly independent (as it's compulsory for the development of an intelligent and functional Homo Sapiens), which frankly takes at the very least 4-5 years in modern human species.

Leaving the chromosome debate aside, where @BADecker also is mostly correct despite some other members constantly throwing medical jargon at him to try to obfuscate the truth, it's absurd from an anthropological, socio-economical, ethical and pragmatic perspective that the decision of negating life should rest solely on one human being, whereas the affirmative decision will have far reaching ramifications on the entire species.

What new person? The sperm without an egg will never grow into a new person. And its chromosome set is different than the chromosome set of any embryo.

In addition, if the person who is started by a specific embryo lives to age 100, he/she will have the same chromosome set through all that time.

Further, if there is a difference that makes the person to not be a person at some stage, because of the chromosome set being the same, our judgment that any stage is not a numan is arbitrary at best. Better be safe from murder, except if you intend to murder. Let the process continue from conception to birth. Then, if you don't want the child/human-being, give it up for adoption.

Such cowards. The embryo can't fight back. The embryo doesn't have a gun. You cowards take his/her life because he/she is so weak that it is easy. Cowards.

badecker does not understand things like lungs and consciousness to be able to independently survive..

when is life actually life if the life support is taken away.
badecker will refuse to answer this question

By all means.

So is a sperm. Stop masturbating already BADecker, you murderer!

I actually love this wordings, simple yet powerful, would you mind if I use this to some other places?

This aside, Embryo is not a living organism in the first place. It is just a fertilized egg in the woman's stomach, so the argument of murdering a "HUMAN" is not yet valid. The thinking that it is a murder is actually ridiculous, and many researches and scientific evidence prove this wrong.

ok badecker has just volunteered to house and parent all people on life support.

and no badecker. you are to never. ever take them off life support even if they are minus 3 month. nor plus 90.
oh and ofcourse all them anorexic and depressed people. yea your responsible for them too. you gotta keep them alive for infinity aswell.

you are now the guardian of all people needing life support.

have fun with that.

does your few braincells hurt when your pro-god mindset fights your pro-darwin mindset?
subtle hint: at some point even you will have to make decisions on when/if its best to end the life support for those in your custody dependant on your life support.

The same cell/chromosome structure is present in the fertilized egg, as it is in every other stage of the pregnancy, and the baby to adult to old age, to death. If you kill anyone, from fertilized egg to old-age death, it's murder.

All you are trying to do is make somebody who has a different makeup into somebody to be murdered. You're a throwback to the times before modern medicine existed. You want to destroy anything that doesn't seem perfect. Unborn isn't perfect because it ain't grown up.

The biological similarity in all stages of a human life is their chromosomes. Different shapes of a human being are simply stages. Intentionally kill it at any stage, you have murdered.

if the womb is more than 2 months then it can be said to kill...
I had an abortion once because of an unplanned pregnancy, the reason I didn't use the contraceptive injection was because it would make my body ugly. I was once very stressed by a pregnancy that my husband and I did not plan, but my doctor and mother gave a sensible input because my womb was not yet 2 months old so life had not been formed.

so whats the issue
badecker. a virgin wants to assert his machismo republican tyrant mindset on women

things badecker need to understand before even having an opinion on this topic.
*understanding of biological differences between a 7 day embryo vs a 2nd trimester fetus
*legal guardian on dependant where depedant only gets separate power by aging out or emancipation
*legal decision on life or death where there is no conscious thought, or ability to survive without life support
*biology/legal state of what is deemed a viable human independant life

.. we know badecker wont bother learning this stuff
heck badecker has shown that he cant even choose one side. he flip flops between darwin vs god many times

Again, franky1, jumping out of an airplane at 10,000 feet intending to parachute down, is not a death contract. But if the chute doesn't open, it is probable death.

A contract for sex that is not at the same time a contract for pregnancy, might produce a pregnancy if not done correctly.

If the parachute is not packed correctly, or if the wrong parachute is used, death might be the result. If there is no proper contraceptive, or if the contraceptive fails, pregnancy could be the result.

Obviously, you want to confuse the issue. It's your way. It might be simple low IQ. But more than likely you simply have a wrong attitude.

So, what's the issue? Murdering a human being if an unwanted pregnancy is the result of a sex contract or agreement.

So if your argument is that people should get a free "get out of jail" card when faced with the burden of carrying a child that they voluntarily conceived, unless they were raped of course, why stop with abortion then?

If a child is 15 days old post birth, why don't I get to change my mind then and kill the kid. It's my choice right? I produced the child?

Also, how do you sort out the contradiction of the legal system where if a person murders a pregnant woman, it counts as two murders. Why does the legal system recognize a pregnant woman as two entities?

again badecker. a sex contract is not a pregnancy contract. you really need to get out your basement and start dating.
maybe then when you ask a woman back to your basement for the night and say
'lets come back to mine and make babies'
vs
'lets come back to mine and have sex'
you will see the different reaction/response.

also the college student does have a 'get out' clause for the debt.. its called bankruptsy

so for emphasis.
when a woman consents to sex. she is not consenting to starting a family.
please understand that.

it is one of them key details that as a man will really help you in life outside of this forum to know about..

I agree that a woman has pro-choice. But in this way:

If a student takes out loans to go to school in the pursuit of a career, and later finds out that the career isn't something that they want, or later realizes that they will never be able to pay back the school loans, Does such nullify the loan contracts? Of course not. They still need to deal with repaying the loans, even if it is through bankruptcy.

So, if a woman makes a contract for sex with a man, and later finds out there is a pregnancy involved, her pro-choice was to place herself in the way of making a baby, even if she didn't know that such would happen. She made the deal. She exercised her freedom. She got the results of her choice (or carelessness). Now deal with it and raise the kid, or put the child up for adoption (bankruptcy). But don't murder the new human life.

The left says they are pro choice. You are free to do what you would like with your body. If that is true, then how come you would like government guns to force me to wear a mask, stay inside, and undergo vaccination? Oh but wait they say, not wearing a mask could kill someone! Uh huh. Abortion is killing something, if you deem a fetus less valuable than a grown human that is simply your opinion. Is the fetus infinitely more valuable as soon as it is born? Most people would even consider a newborn baby more valuable than a grown human (a debatable determination if you ask me), so for the left the value of the human goes from 0 as a fetus to 1,000,000 as a newborn baby and then 500,000 as a grown adult. Then, judging by the way we have reacted to COVID, as an adult reaches old age they become far more valuable than any other human. Senior citizens? 10,000,000, it doesn't matter how many lives are destroyed or people die of starvation and suicide as long as we can extend the lives of 90 year olds by two weeks.

and their butts the head of another republican contradiction.. with its own head

one day they argue of over population. the next they argue that all death, old, young, dependent,independent is the 'end of the species'

the next they will say the right to die under ones own terms is ok.. the next they will say life needs to be maintained no matter what.

i find it funny how republicans say survival of the fittest and let the weak die off 'coz darwin' then say life is sacred 'coz god'

just make a decision and stick with it. you will end up going insane in your contractions

But they are all forms of life we need to survive as a species.

In Japan, more people have committed suicide than have died from Covid.   :/