Topic: Abortion is the leading cause of death during the pandemic, killing 37 million - page 5. (Read 1087 times)

to answer the 'is a fertilised egg the same as a baby' and considered an independent life away from the pregnant woman.. the obvious biology/logic/common sense answer is
if the pregnancy was birthed at the day of decision. would that birth be a viable life that had the lung/heart/brain capacity to have independent survival that same day.

if the pregnancy is not at a stage where there can be independent life that day if separated from the woman. then its not an independent life

woman know by instinct and logic and common sense to not get too excited until the first trimester (12 weeks) because anything can happen. such as miscarriage.
so any argument about the first 12 weeks is moot. and should not be considered under the "killing" category

as for the second trimester, still a risk of miscarriage and other risks. there is no viable life. it wont survive a emergency/early birth. so again pretending the fetus has independent rights is wrong. it is dependant on the pregnant woman and so the woman.. not men/law/strangers. only the pregnant woman should be in control of choice.
the pregnant woman is the guardian/custodian and no one but that woman should have any say in the situation they are in

i do find it funny how badecker a man. wants to regulate what woman can do or not
i do find it funny how badecker a republican wants to regulate it
i do find it funny how badecker, an idiot. cant even research the facts before trying to inch his way into a topic
yet again badecker does not understand a topic and just found some script on some idiot site and is just repeating what he read from there. no independent thought went into badeckers posts

he pretends to want independence from laws and yet he does not understand independence. or laws

Covid-19 is an infectious disease. It spread widely within a country (epidemic), and then around the globe (pandemic). Death toll is not the defining factor in whether or not a thing is classed as a pandemic.


You are making a moral argument rather than a scientific one. Speaking of which, a far bigger cause of death than Covid is the Catholic church: Send missionaries to Africa, convert everyone to Christianity. Teach them that contraception is a sin that sends you to hell. Sit back and watch the chaos unfold.
He made a scientific judgment based on experimentally verifiable facts.

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Morality is important. Science and logic are important. The intersection of the two can provide us with fascinating insights. But scientific and logical truths are universal, whereas moral truths are subjective. If you try to use a moral argument to convince people that a fertilised egg is the same as a human being, then you'll only be able to convince those who share your moral outlook. The moral (subjective) definition of a human being is not the same as the scientific (objective) definition, and the moral definition is, from person to person, different.

^^^ Wait. They are different. You made an arbitrary judgment there.

You just made an arbitrary judgement that life starts at conception. There is nothing more human about an egg cell with 23 pairs of chromosomes than there is about an egg cell with 23 single chromosomes. Therefore, menstruation is murder. And by the same metric, male masturbation is murder. Why don't you go on a completely misinformed campaign against masturbation instead?

Sounds like you are missing the point almost completely. Consider the following.

Some people like to stick their finger down their throat to make themselves puke for one reason or another. A few of these get their hand stuck in their mouth and choke to death every year. Absolutely we should warn everybody to be careful when they stick their finger down their throat. But where is the limit for making a pandemic about it or not?

Do we need 100 deaths to call it a pandemic. Or is that too small? How about 200? Or 1,000? So, why haven't we called that abortion thing a pandemic, or the heart disease thing, or the cancer thing? Because these are way more than the Covid thing, both individually, and certainly when combined.

Sure we should save people from Covid. But the pandemic is destroying the economy far more than anything. And the deaths from Covid can barely be found if you compare the size of it to the size of abortions. So, why didn't we have an abortion pandemic decades ago? Abortions have been far bigger than Covid for a long time.

When you look into the details of simple social distancing and wearing masks, you will find that doing these things is more dangerous by far than not doing them. Masks are entirely useless for Covid protection, both for yourself, and for others, for several reasons. They literally don't work.

Do you like the pandemic for nothing? There's nobody stopping you from playing the Covid pandemic game. But take a look at the abortion numbers from the death standpoint. The pandemic is based on something that is tiny, and abortion has-resulted/will-result in killing many more than Covid could ever think of doing. And if the pandemic is not stopped right now, the pandemic process will kill way more than Covid because people will be starving in lockdowns, etc.


Besides, anybody who says that a fetus or an embryo are not people is loony. Why? An example of "why" is found in Silicon Valley. Old guys are spending, say, $8,000 on blood transfusions from young people. Why? Because in the human transition through life, they want to go back to an earlier stage of life.

The point is, a human is in transition from conception to death. To judge that any stage of the person's life is part of a non-person, is to have a total misjudgment. Nobody is smart enough about the way life works to say this with certainty. No matter at what stage of life a person dies, nobody knows that he/she is not a person. Making an arbitrary judgment doesn't change this fact.

People are human beings from conception to death. Killing a fetus or an embryo is killing a human being.

Regardless of the abortion debate, what's the point you're trying to make here? The 'leading' cause of death is the only one we should focus on, and we shouldn't take any precautions to lower the death toll from other causes? Even if it's as simple as wearing a face mask or a bit of social distancing? We shouldn't save lives by wearing masks, because some people die of things that are utterly unrelated? We shouldn't look both ways when we cross a busy road, because some people die from drowning?

Using the phrase "killing a baby" is a ridiculous appeal to emotion. Embryos are not babies.

No it isn't the best solution they could have taken or used contraceptives if they aren't ready for it.
We need to be responsible for our action taking pills or putting condom is easier than killing a baby.

this is always a debate in the general public...
abortion is the best solution for husband and wife who are not planning a pregnancy. it is not easy to support and care for children in this time of crisis. abortion is bad for those who get pregnant without marriage.

A seed is not a tree.
An egg is not a chicken.
An embryo is not a person.

Every time you make a decision, you commit genocide and kill off all those other possible timelines of lives you could have lived. How dare you?

whats not being said is
these are not 38million women that have surgeons put surgical tools up a womans privates and pull out something that resembles a human

in most cases its:
taking the morning after pill
using non clinical/medical tools outside of a healthcare service

yep its where those in poorer countries resort to things like prostitution or their religion forbids contraception. where then end up having to resort to other methods of not remaining pregnant. where in many cases is the same woman becoming pregnant multiple times a year due to lack of contraception.

yep prostitutes take morning after pills regular. much similar scenario as having a mint a morning after a fun night. because their 'client' doesnt want to believe in condoms

so while you conspire with fantasies of 38million thoughts of babies.. the reality is most of those millions are a bunch of cells or something smaller than baked bean

this makes it appear that out of 3.5bil women 1 in 100 are having an abortion per year
but the reality is one woman out of multiple thousand are having more then one abortion a year

so before gathering up just 1000 woman and declaring one as a baby murderer.
gather up 10,000 and inform them that 1 woman is probably having unprotected sex often and give them contraception advice about effective ways to avoid pregnancy.

but hey. enjoy your fantasies

funny part is badecker is a male and from arizona. so should have no say in this as its a topic about women in places he will never go to. so not something he should even try to involve himself with. especially when he doesnt even understand the topic

37 million abortions during the pandemic. And in addition to this, all kinds of diseases, like cancer and heart disease, and wars here and there, and loads of other things. The pandemic isn't even near pandemic stages of loads of other things that are never called a pandemic. The Covid pandemic is one of the most stupid ideas around.


Abortion is the leading cause of death during the coronavirus, killing 37 million worldwide