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legendary
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June 06, 2015, 06:02:58 AM
#50
Some mixers that didn't worked are renovated and now all services worked good.
Oh, i use btc mixers to hide my coins from eveybody and you asked me to give a links of the transactions and eveybody see how much coins i have and for what i spend them, whom i send them? Man, are you seriously?


I'll let Doge explain this one:


I do not believe anonymity is very important for Bitcoin; however, this is my personal opinion. Different people will use Bitcoin for different reasons.
That's your opinion and the majority does not agree. Bitcoin is currently pseudo-anonymous and this is enough in my perspective. A coin that is completely anonymous (untraceable) can never succeed or become legal. Sure there is a big market for such coin, however it will never become mainstream. Bitcoin on the other hand is already being legalized as we speak.
hero member
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June 06, 2015, 12:00:09 AM
#49
I do not believe anonymity is very important for Bitcoin; however, this is my personal opinion. Different people will use Bitcoin for different reasons.
newbie
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May 31, 2015, 12:58:08 PM
#48
I always used mixers. Thank's to your website - I mixed 10 btc
Thank you!



Please provide the transaction links and I will remove your negative trust. 

It's obvious you are just a fake account of the OP to build trust.

Oh, i use btc mixers to hide my coins from eveybody and you asked me to give a links of the transactions and eveybody see how much coins i have and for what i spend them, whom i send them? Man, are you seriously?
newbie
Activity: 32
Merit: 0
May 30, 2015, 04:02:10 PM
#47
Some mixers that didn't worked are renovated and now all services worked good.
MR1
legendary
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hero member
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May 16, 2015, 07:04:59 AM
#45
I always used mixers. Thank's to your website - I mixed 10 btc
Thank you!



Please provide the transaction links and I will remove your negative trust. 

It's obvious you are just a fake account of the OP to build trust.

I don't need to waste my time and begin huge polemics with you. imagine advertising company that doing ONLY advertising. Understand? ONLY advertisement and haven't access to the accounts with bitcoins. Is it normal? I think yes if company specialized only in advertising. very easy to write, that it is scam and cry it for everyone. But please, leave your wrong opinion to yourself.

You should know *what* you are advertising and this is your duty to provide evidence. You can ask owners to provide evidence and you can post what they give here. Reputation of the mixer is gone and if you don't provide, this will stay as it is. Provide if you want to save your business.

-snip-
Looking at how this situation is developing, I wouldn't remove that trust rating before at least 3 different transactions are shown with evidence (over 1 BTC each).

IMHO ratings shouldn't be removed. They can fake 1+BTC mixing easily and 1BTC is comparitively low than what people mix. Their reaction to our question shows they are untrustworthy and/or unsafe to trust with money.
legendary
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May 16, 2015, 06:47:35 AM
#44

Please provide the transaction links and I will remove your negative trust. 

It's obvious you are just a fake account of the OP to build trust.

I don't need to waste my time and begin huge polemics with you. imagine advertising company that doing ONLY advertising. Understand? ONLY advertisement and haven't access to the accounts with bitcoins. Is it normal? I think yes if company specialized only in advertising. very easy to write, that it is scam and cry it for everyone. But please, leave your wrong opinion to yourself.
No this is not possible. You should be either able to: a) provide transactions from your database; b) get one of your customers to provide transaction IDs.
Looking at how this situation is developing, I wouldn't remove that trust rating before at least 3 different transactions are shown with evidence (over 1 BTC each).
newbie
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May 16, 2015, 05:10:47 AM
#43
I always used mixers. Thank's to your website - I mixed 10 btc
Thank you!



Please provide the transaction links and I will remove your negative trust. 

It's obvious you are just a fake account of the OP to build trust.

I don't need to waste my time and begin huge polemics with you. imagine advertising company that doing ONLY advertising. Understand? ONLY advertisement and haven't access to the accounts with bitcoins. Is it normal? I think yes if company specialized only in advertising. very easy to write, that it is scam and cry it for everyone. But please, leave your wrong opinion to yourself.
Vod
legendary
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Licking my boob since 1970
May 15, 2015, 04:06:57 PM
#42
Also, this scam shouldn't be in Beginners and Help.  I've used the Report to Moderator link to request it be moved.
Vod
legendary
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Licking my boob since 1970
May 15, 2015, 04:00:55 PM
#41
I always used mixers. Thank's to your website - I mixed 10 btc
Thank you!



Please provide the transaction links and I will remove your negative trust. 

It's obvious you are just a fake account of the OP to build trust.
Vod
legendary
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Licking my boob since 1970
May 15, 2015, 03:59:35 PM
#40
You really think that we need to prove to you something? Services that we represent have got thousands of satisfied clients. We don't have so much time to waste it for discussion with you or prove you something.

Absolutely you do, for you are probably just lying.   Undecided

Get off our forum, scammer.  Negative trust left.
legendary
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May 15, 2015, 03:05:57 PM
#39
I always used mixers. Thank's to your website - I mixed 10 btc
Thank you!

Shill?! Post transaction ID of the bitcoins you sent to this mixer here.

We ask for evidence of "new coins".... and we get a low level account.   I was born a day but it was not yesterday....

Just provide us evidence of the "new coins" you advertised and you can make everyone happy OP.

You really think that we need to prove to you something? Services that we represent have got thousands of satisfied clients. We don't have so much time to waste it for discussion with you or prove you something.

Someone had time to waste to sign up to new account's to praise this.....

But yes if you advertise something then it is expected you are able to prove it.  Is that a lot to ask?     
legendary
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May 15, 2015, 11:49:12 AM
#38
You really think that we need to prove to you something? Services that we represent have got thousands of satisfied clients. We don't have so much time to waste it for discussion with you or prove you something.
This sentence has made it all clear. You don't lose anything for proving that your service works. Maybe a minute of your time?
Your service is most likely a scam. Everyone, stay away from it!
I wouldn't even be surprised if the mixer actually worked just to get some trust and a bigger deposit.  Roll Eyes
newbie
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May 15, 2015, 09:58:04 AM
#37
I always used mixers. Thank's to your website - I mixed 10 btc
Thank you!

Shill?! Post transaction ID of the bitcoins you sent to this mixer here.

We ask for evidence of "new coins".... and we get a low level account.   I was born a day but it was not yesterday....

Just provide us evidence of the "new coins" you advertised and you can make everyone happy OP.

You really think that we need to prove to you something? Services that we represent have got thousands of satisfied clients. We don't have so much time to waste it for discussion with you or prove you something.
donator
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GetMonero.org / MyMonero.com
May 13, 2015, 12:08:44 PM
#36
The thing is the exchange would know you came in with x coin at address x, and left with y coin with y address.

If you went to another exchange then changed it again after... maybe more anonymous.  But mining direct into a wallet I think would beat it even on being anonymous.  

But beyond that it's untraceable once you're on the Monero blockchain. In other words, in the following example it is pretty much untraceable when using Tor:

1. Create a Monero account with https://mymonero.com
2. Go to https://shapeshift.io and tell it you want to convert from BTC to XMR (to your MyMonero address) for your amount plus a little extra. To give you an example, ShapeShift tells me 1 BTC = 481.9701 XMR right now.
3. Go to https://xmr.to and use their rate to convert your XMR (less, say, 0.03 XMR for a 3kb mining fee) to the BTC equivalent and pay your destination BTC address. Using my example, the 481.9401 XMR is worth 0.959060799 BTC (so slippage is just over 4%)
4. Pay the XMR address and payment ID provided by xmr.to using a relatively high mix-in value on MyMonero

It doesn't matter whether MyMonero is subpoenaed and has to submit your viewkey, or ShapeShift is hacked, or anything like that. The connection from MyMonero to xmr.to cannot be traced or reversed. For added goodness you could send the coins to yourself on MyMonero, or to multiple MyMonero accounts, all providing an additional break in the chain. To understand why this works it is good to familiarise yourself with the way Monero works, perhaps starting with the LetsTalkBitcoin podcast on the subject: https://letstalkbitcoin.com/blog/post/ltb-e202-understanding-monero

only mining offer 100% anon, because you never move anything, you just receive them in exchange of your electricity, all other methods have always a tiny % of being tracked back

i could agree that it will be very difficult in some scenario, like with monero, but it's not impossible, also the monero anon tech(ring signature) itself, isn't 100% anon(isn't based on a zero-knowledge scheme)


p.s. this is a good article https://download.wpsoftware.net/bitcoin/wizardry/brs-arbitrary-output-sizes.txt
another good read http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/29471/are-there-any-true-anonymous-cryptocurrencies

Mining is quite out of reach to most, and it actually doesn't help that much - you still need to use your coinbase UTXOs to make a payment, and that's the part that's at-risk.

Nobody claimed Monero was "100% anon", from a cryptographic perspective. In other news, your Bitcoin private keys can be brute-forced and aren't "100% safe". Also, 2048-bit AES encryption isn't "100% uncrackable". All three of these examples deal with cryptographically negligible scenarios, which is what andytoshi refers to in that StackExchange post when he says that Monero's anonymity is "weaker than total anonymity". The step from Monero's cryptographically untraceable (ie. for incoming transactions there are many possible senders whose involvement is equiprobable) and unlinkable (ie. for any two outgoing transactions it is impossible to prove they were sent to the same person) transactions to "total anonymity" is VERY slight, and thus the amount of "weakness" is important only from the perspective of cryptographic absolutes, and only under certain models as well (the random oracle model, in particular). The cryptographic negligibility is only for incoming transactions, and requires ownership of a substantial number of blockchain TXOs to even begin to hope to correctly choose the correct input signer from a group.

andytoshi and gmaxwell's AOS paper has, to some degree, been superseded by the observations made in a recent Monero Research Lab paper, "MRL-0004: Improving Obfuscation in the CryptoNote Protocol".
hero member
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May 13, 2015, 10:38:05 AM
#35
I'm new to BTC and cryptocurrency at all. Your article very interesting, but should i use mixers? )

Only if you need more privacy.
newbie
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May 13, 2015, 10:37:13 AM
#34
I'm new to BTC and cryptocurrency at all. Your article very interesting, but should i use mixers? )
legendary
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May 13, 2015, 04:02:31 AM
#33
I always used mixers. Thank's to your website - I mixed 10 btc
Thank you!

Shill?! Post transaction ID of the bitcoins you sent to this mixer here.

We ask for evidence of "new coins".... and we get a low level account.   I was born a day but it was not yesterday....

Just provide us evidence of the "new coins" you advertised and you can make everyone happy OP.
hero member
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I prefer Zakir over Muhammed when mentioning me!
May 13, 2015, 02:39:35 AM
#32
I always used mixers. Thank's to your website - I mixed 10 btc
Thank you!

Shill?! Post transaction ID of the bitcoins you sent to this mixer here.
newbie
Activity: 7
Merit: 0
May 13, 2015, 02:26:10 AM
#31
I always used mixers. Thank's to your website - I mixed 10 btc
Thank you!

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