Topic: About My Red Trust (Remove Request) (Read 630 times)

@JollyGood;

First of all, thank you for replying back for my topic. I also hope that I'll control my financial status to recover my loss and financial situation as soon as possible. Yes, having a red trust don't mean that I'll not accepted for any signature campaign but it's a very big problem while I apply some of them. But no worries, I'll try my luck at few campaigns.
8-12 months is not a short term timing, but I'm going to wait your response back in time. And lastly, I'm going to lock this topic upon request of you.

It's pointless to have created a thread like this one in the first place--you've been here long enough that surely you must know how the trust system works and that red trust is there to stay unless the giver of it decides to have mercy on you (which doesn't look like it's going to happen in JollyGood's case, and Lauda is effectively gone forever as far as any of us know).

Since you weren't banned, you fortunately have the luxury of making a new account in good faith, and nobody's going to give you shit about that unless it's discovered and it gets new negs from JollyGood or whoever else.  I think you're just going to be beating your head against a rock, hoping for something that's never going to arrive.  

I'd also point out that your account isn't ruined because of the feedback.  You might not be able to get into a signature campaign, but you can do everything else with it.

Edit: 
Ah, I take that back about JG.  But even if he removes his neg, I don't think you're going to be satisfied with a neg from Lauda (is he/she on DT still?), nor is that one going anywhere.

On your trust page https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=3437384 and click Untrusted feedback > Show ratings.
There you will find one red tag from Little Mouse


but this is a thread about a completely different user, we are going off-topic now. maybe you should open your own topic and be interested in your trust rating.

Lauda has done a lot in terms of suppressing spam (and scam) on this forum, it certainly cannot be ignored. as far as I remember, for some time I removed her from my trust list almost on a monthly basis, only to add her again after a while. in the end, she took tagging on the forum too personally, so she cast a shadow over all the previous good she had done.
About Jollygood, it reminds me a lot of Lauda's behaviour if we talk about regularity and too easy giving a red tag. (the mystery is why they are afraid to leave neutral feedback)
all experienced members already know that his feedback can be harsh, so I believe that most of them take them with a grain of salt. Although it is opposed to the trust system, because it should facilitate user recognition, and if the additional experience is needed to understand it then its power decreases.


It seems to me that I have seen JG change his feedback more often after a complaint than Lauda did.


I'm glad you've come here, I guess the mentions helped you hear this discussion in spite of your ignoring OP. I would suggest that you consider the possibility of using neutral tags, not everything can be either black or white.
maybe you can use something like [Script] BitcoinTalk User Notes. That way you will have additional information about users, and you will not burden others with it. To be honest, nobody cares who is on your (or anyone's) ignore list, there is no need to inform us about it on the user's trust page.

@OP

My apologies for not replying earlier, I had you on my ignore list and skipped past the thread. When I did read it I decided to not comment straight away until I had ample time.

First of all, I am highly sceptical when it comes to anything you write but having said that if what you wrote about going bankrupt is true then I offer my sincere condolences and sympathies because of the predicament you find yourself in. If what you wrote is true I hope you manage to turn things around fast and hope you get back on to a solid or at least decent financial standing.

Second, I will not be using this thread for running commentary therefore this will be probably be my first and only post here.

You have to accept and understand that having a negative or neutral tag does not mean campaign managers will refuse applications by default. You should apply for as many campaigns as you would like without hesitation, it will most probably be accepted or declined on merit according to the campaign manager.

I will return back to this issue within 8-12 months from today and will gladly revise or edit or remove the feedback depending on your contributions within the forum.

My advise is for you to lock this thread until at least July 2023 because there is nothing else for either of us to add here but a couple of low-level attention seekers with grudges against me will continue to use this thread as a platform to spout their useless comments and it will only distract and divert from the issue.

JG likes everyone to give him attention. On the other hand he knows he has very little to say in defense of his trust abuse on this one, not just this one but most of the feedback he left for others. But still it's weird to see a lot of the users think he is a good scam buster and have him in their trust list.

Maybe from now, when we are building our trust list, we need to start considering who are picking a good feedback leaver. If a user can not see a controversial scam hunter who turned out to be a ghost hunter and using feedback system to hostage others with his red tag then they should be distrusted from others list too.

Against JollyGood this is not the first complaint but not going to the last one too.

That's futile, Lauda is gone:
Lauda can't create or remove any feedback:

Hi BitcoinTurk, Have you tried to contact the person who has left the negative trust in you eg: Lauda as well as JollyGood who has given you negative trust? If yes, then if they do not want to remove then nothing to do. But if you have not yet contacted them then try to convince them about the reality.

I am confused, is this your recommendation actually necessary?
JollyGood left him a negative tag and also ignored him which means the user cannot send him a personal message.
The best the user can do is what they have done by bringing the matter to the reputation board for the whole community to see. JG is also following this very thread and reading the suggestions and opinions of several users. If there are convincing reasons for JG to untag Op, he will. If he also needs to say something about the tag, he can also say.

You made it look as if, JG cannot see this post or it must only be via pm that requests of tag removal would be granted.I really think it is absolutely unnecessary to create a new account in order to reach JG.

Oh good luck trying to get feedback removed that is made from member mentioned above but I am not saying it's impossible to happen.
Lauda account is already ''dead'' in bitcointalk so it doesn't really matter, but other member is sadly still a DT member.
Your post history is not that great, and you came back after longer period of inactivity, so I suggest you just continue using this account now and prove you improved your posting.
You should also listen to LoyceV suggestion on using your trust feedback.

It's there again: check it. It takes a couple of hours each week to update the top navigation bar on the latest update.

As others have already mentioned, your trust feedback should not prevent you from becoming a more active or participating member of this community. The fact that your trust rating is low with some members does not mean you aren't trustworthy; it just means that there have been some concerns raised about your behavior or conduct, and it can be changed if you work hard to improve it.

You haven't contributed much to the forum in recent months - more than a year has passed since your last post - and although there are many good reasons why you might not have posted in so long, this is a clear indicator that you are not being an active member of the community and this is one of the main reasons why you cannot participate in signature campaigns or other forms of advertising on bitcointalk. Every campaign manager will have a different set of rules for their campaigns, but the majority will require that you post regularly on bitcointalk and will be looking for the same thing: a high-quality posts with good content. Your trust rating has very little to do with this.

I am totally with you but just look everywhere and tell me do you really believe people are making posts because they care about the forum? Most of the users are making posts to fill up their weekly requirement. Very few maybe even under a 1% (a blind number random number only, please don't assume I have done extensive research 🤣) will be the users who are contributing because they love bitcoin.

He does not have to. We can not ask for it from him and put him to a corner with a negative feedback.

That feedback is justified. Do you think the red feedback left by JollyGood, Lauda are actually justified?

Where is the money both user lost or where is the money that BitcoinTurk scammed. Did he even scammed anyone? I would like to see proof of him scamming users.

earning money by wearing a signature, avatar, or whatever is only an additional possibility, it should not be the only reason why someone writes on this forum. It doesn't seem to me that the OP really cares about the forum.

one of his previous feedbacks speaks in favor of this.

I think OP is considering possible DT member's feedback. I looked at his feedback received history. Lauda and JollyGood seems two users who can be in the DT list considering their history. Possibility for others are very little unless some of them start actively contributing to the reputation system and in the future their feedback starts showing up as trusted feedback.

Everyone forgot about Lauda because he left the forum but JollyGood is still active and according to my study few months ago I found most of the negative feedback left by him are out of harsh judgement or retaliation. He even leveraged his DT power not to pay a user for the work that user has done for him instead he left a negative feedback to that user to stop his mouth. Eventually the user left the forum.

Edit:

This is interesting. starmyc was the user who left the forum after harassing by JollyGood. If I remember correctly then after LoyceV's suggestion and after long thinking I included starmyc  in my trust list so that the feedback starmyc left can be seen in DT and others can be aware about JollyGood's feedback leaving criteria to hostage users. But seems like distrust from nutildah and of course JollyGood himself actually took  down starmyc from trust network so the feedback is not visible anymore under default trust.

If adding removing a user from trust list truly based on their feedback leaving accuracy then I don't understand which feedback from starmyc was wrong that he was distrusted by two DT members?

Loycev, the trust list on your loyce.club used to show weekly or I guess monthly history of a users trust activity. But it turns out the feature is not there anymore. I am guessing you removed it. This was helpful to check when a user added or removed another user in their trust list.

Aren't all of us making money from our signature, avatar, personal text, website address space and possibly renting out whatever we can?

Unfortunately other DTs who have JollyGood in their trust list still think he is the best police officer around LOL. Such abusive red tag from JollyGood is not anything new.

you can't do anything without him about removing his feedback. But JollyGood has been mentioned here several times, so I believe that he will surely know about this thread, if he doesn't get in touch here, it's probably because he won't, and not because he hasn't seen it.


To me, this sounds quite arrogant. He must be paid for his contribution to this forum.

You've barely posted in the past years, since you got tagged. I don't think "wanting to earn money" is a very convincing reason to remove negative tags.

Lauda has been going on and off DT2 for the past years, so it's likely the cat will be back on DT2 again in the future. But I don't think this case can influence Lauda's DT2-status at all, and the feedback for sure won't be removed.

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I don't think BitcoinTurk is the right person to question how others use the Trust and feedback system:
You've included many users with negative feedback. I only checked Vispilio's Sent feedback (because JollyGood tagged you for promoting Vispilio), and a large part of it isn't what I consider correct use of the Trust system.
It would be a good start to reevaluate the way you use the Trust system before complaining about others.

Lauda is no more active on this forum, and from what I saw on your trust page, Lauda trust does not matter, the only negative trust you have that matters more now is JollyGood's red trust. Just like others have commented already, you have no option than to send PM to JollyGood about the negative trust removal, only him can remove it. About Lauda's negative trust, he is no more active and you do not have to be worries about that. If you want to join a campaign, post good and continue to contribute to the community here with gold post.

Always check service board to know if there is any offer, apply if there is any from new or existing campaigns. You can use the telegram bot to track already existing campaigns and your forum email for new topics on service board which can be about new campaign.

Lauda has not been on DT for ages ever since terminating his account so it wouldn't matter anyway.

You could make a case to your campaign manager that these negs are (in your opinion) superficial if you can even get one to review your trust ratings. I mean, there's a reason why campaigns have a rule "negative valid DT trust is not allowed" - if some spamming painter reaches DT2 then that could cause problems for a lot of people.

To give a practical example, my trust settings show yahoo himself as +31/=2/-1, the sole negative comes from Quickseller with comment "running high-risk escrow service" () - If suddenly Quickseller became DT again, that wouldn't exclude him from campaigns either.