Topic: Account banned - Limx Dev - [closed] (Read 1903 times)

I have to say a big thank you to everyone who helped unlock the account.

Best Regards

Chris

Thumbs up for this decision. I am really happy about this positive development and decision. On behalf of the Bitcore and Bitsend community i would like to say thank you! 

As far as I know, there's no standard notification for unbans, so BPIP can't know about it.

Unlikely.

Is this April fool or what.

Still that account show autobanned on Bpip.org. https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Limx%20Dev

And even on Bitcointalk their signatures are not available,so I guess its a late prank.

I unbanned it.

Please mods, reconsider the ban of user Limx Dev, he is a long standing member of the crypto community with good reputation,  and if he broke some forum rules i am sure it was not malicious but an honest mistake.

Please let him post again!

I support the solution to give Limx Dev a second chance to come back.
However, the topic is not a place for you to spam.

What is this?
You should know that Limx Dev is not be able to unlock his account himself. He need supports and decisions from admin, so it is why we have seen the topic opened.
Nope, when rules violated, punishments dropped on violators.
After that, they need to show huge contributions to the forum in the past, and that their violations were not motivated by money, they might have second chances. Additionally, the forum don't need money, admin stated about that long time ago, and it has not changed by now.
Unfortunately, the odds to have second chance is extremely low.

Please unlock your account LimxDev! What is necessary to remove the lock? Can pay a fine or something?

I can only join. His altcoin projects are no scam and have certainly brought many people here in forum. It would really be a loss to banish him completely. Maybe it would be good to adapt the rules and in such a case, where the breach of the rules was not extreme and happened a very long time ago, to impose only a temporary ban. Hopefully Theymos will reconsider and lift the ban. 

Theymos has said the forum doesn't need money, and he's not trying to profit from it either. Although a payment has been suggested before, I don't think it will convince Admin. It's also sets a bad precedent that can lead to banning users to earn money for the forum.

I don't think that it is the case to make deal. If the suggested donation deal accepted, then if someone violate rules more seriously, they simply donate 0.5, 1, 5, or 10 BTC to come back. I don't think it make sense and fair for all users. Donation has its own purposes, and should not be compromised to lift bans.
Such a deal might make the situation worse, in my opinion.
The matter is it only makes sense if Limx Dev can come back first.

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To be honest, I joined the crypto too late, some day around April or May of 2017, months later I created my account in the forum, then the first bounty I known is Bitsend, that run by Limx Dev.
The airdrop lasted for years, but only open and joinable for Legendary, so I could not join it.
However, I kept following Bitsend, and others projects that have participations of Limx Dev.
My personal thought is he have done lot of good things for crypto, for the forum community via airdrops, and more than airdrops. He and his team kept their promises for yearrs, and weekly made very transparent reports for their communities.
He violated rules, but those rule-violated posts made years ago. Human all can make mistakes from small to serious, because we are human, not Chris or Bud.

For the case of Limx Dev, I suggest to take into consideration at least three factors before making final decision to give him chance to come back or keep the permanent ban.

1. Purposes of plagiarised posts
Plagiarised posts are plagiarised posts, no one can deny it, and we all have proof for that.
Let's look deeper a litle bit, why he made plagiarised posts?
There are some reasons, that maybe the real reasons behind the scene:
- To hit quota post of bounties.
- To scam others.
- To steal ideas of others.
Personally, I don't think Limx Dev had any of these three.

2. The long history of Limx Dev on projects that he participated in
In this aspect, he done his works well. Price rises and falls for all, not only Bitsend, BitCore, BitCloud, and so forth. So, it is not fault of Limx Dev and his team on the falls over last more than one year.
There is no one complained that Bitsend, BitCloud, BitCore are scam projects. Of course, there are complaints from spammers, but their voices should be ignored all.

3. The history of Limx Dev's promises and contributions for communities
In the last aspect, he and his team done well.
All their promises kept. No one can deny about that fact.

For all reasons and three factors above, I believe that Limx Dev should be given a second chance.
Scammers who plagiarised definitely deserve permanent bans, but Limx Dev is not the case. He is not a scammer, instead he is a well-known contributor in the forum.
So, the second chance (if given) will be not only for Limx Dev, himself, but also for all projects he particiapted with, and for the forum community as well.


Cheers,

It would be a waste to ban LimxDev. He was keeping the forum more alive with his airdrops and altcoin experiments.

The reason for a ban isn't strong enough neither in my opinion. Maybe ban him for 3 months just for being careless but a perma ban? That's too much I think.



Exactly this. The ban is technically right but it is also weird at the same time.

It means nothing. why do you think that people can't contact themselves without using bitcointalk?


I follow both projects a long time, I do not have the feeling that both users dishwara and Limx dev that they were doing anything that would lead people to the wrong conclusion. It would be good if Limx dev stay here on the forum, we need a person like them.

Below statement does not point that they are same user but look like dishwara never explicitly written that they are 2 different users.

Everyone has it case by case as theymos said so I just think this case is a different one and an exception should be made.

And if others complian and have legitimate reasons for there ban upliftment there ban too would be handled in similar way I think. But we don't see much legitimate cases of unintentional paralzism attempts here mostly.

This could be the best example of legimate upliftment of ban which was successful recently:

[PERMABAN APPEAL] ChiBitCTy

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As i said there are very less examples and the above stated could be one.

I think only if the ban reason is not financially motivated or not causing spam.

I remembered that you found post of Limx Dev years ago, that copied and pasted, without source.
I like what Limx Dev did with his project, and really hope he can come back.
But, if it is the case that lead to return of Limx Dev, with ban-unlift, so I guess others might complaint.
Why someone get ban-unlift with case-by-case handle, whilst others don't get it.
So, how to explain about it?
I just curious (still support the come-back of Limx Dev).

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By the way, in which cases users will get signature ban for 1 year, 2 years, rather than perma bans?
Which kind of rule violations will cause punishments with year-long signature bans?

Thank you.

Well I would probably agree, especially if they're on the same team. The potential merit abuse can be looked at separately.

I think this shouldn't be treated as plagiarism. It looks like a message from the Team, posted by 2 different team members.
The original was posted by dishware, who also created this topic. I think it's obvious he doesn't think Limx Dev plagiarized his work. It looks like a double post from different accounts, I don't think that justifies a ban.

I don't think so, otherwise there's some Merit abuse involved.

Yes, they could be as the user dishwara is the one posting this ban appeal thread.

I don't see him explaining his connection with Limx Dev anywhere.

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I agree with this.

This should not be treated as a intentional paralyzing attempt and if everything is handled case by case in paralyzing as stated by Theymos this should have been overseen as not an financially motivated paralzism.

I would support for an upliftment of the ban.

There are two reports in the queue for plagiarism. One has been deleted so I can't see it but the other is this one:



Are these the same users?

As said by friends, @Limx Dev is banned because the copy / paste is submitted in the initial post.

But other than this, Aidrop posted two languages, German and English, I guessed @Limx Dev, forbidden on the basis of copying / pasting himself, the date with the clock is a little different, translate and have an alt account.

Strong suspicion, logic is simple, every question the aidrop participant @CoinEraser, who answers, he understands about Aidrop this is one suspicious thing about the @CoinEraser account, the same person @Limx Dev.
That might be @Limx Dev, prohibited first of this.

1. Limx Dev
2. CoinEraser

And this account also posts the same thing.

3. LIMX SUPPORT

Post: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/limx-support-376487;sa=showPosts;start=20

Post: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/limx-support-376487;sa=showPosts

The problem, I think leads to early Airdrop.

Topic: ANN][BSD] BitSend - Xevan - Segwit- Bittrex- Litebit.eu

Post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1412235.160

Post: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.50045830

German language.

German language.

English.

English.

1. http://archive.is/VIamL

2. http://archive.is/hMiR3

3. http://archive.is/DYVaY

4. http://archive.is/3qeQv

Best way to react to the ban or uplifting it would be starting a new thread about it as stated by Theymos here.

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Yes, this is not an official reason, but we don't need an official one for paralyzing and its the most probable reason for ban.

Yes I did.
Did you?
All I can read at the link you posted are some possible reasons ( based on something he posted back in 2015)  for which the ban was raised but that wasn't anything somewhat official or confirmed.
Unless you consider the proof of a permaban that quoted  part
that would be at least laughable in my opinion.

Did you actually spend some seconds to read previous posts before posting this one?
Proof shown there:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.50222647

Really curious to know the reason of this perma ban: let's see if someone will unveil it.

Don't think this forum is a better place without Limx Dev and hope theymos will consider lifting their ban .

Theymos some time back give the 1 month sig ban ( I guess redsnow ) for plagariasm as it was very old post and it is only one of occurrence.

Now what changed in Limx Dev case?

What exactly was plagiarized ? It cannot be this for sure, this is a text book legal reply.

To quote from another thread:

As we can see, and I believe it's true, he was first and foremost a promoter. He promoted for financial gain his project here using plagiarized content. Sounds like a good reason for ban.

A perma ban is over done here. Repeatedly braking the forum rules and misbehaving would be perma ban material.
Looking at Limx Dev his history this wasnt with bad intent in mind.

1. there is no comparable forums to bitcointalk. It is clearly the best.
2. That developer could have made the same millions by launching as a snr or whatever. I really doubt the copy and pasted with any kind of financial motive in mind.
3. You need to look up the net value of a member did he contribute more net positive original content that the damage he apparently caused the board with a couple of copy and pastes that were likely on topic and helpful. Intent is for me the most important factor however even a couple of mistakes that cause minor if any harm compared to creating a ton of original content.

My point is we ban these people whilst rewarding those that are proven untrustworthy, scammers, liars and far more greedy. It is messed up.

You are only looking at the financial aspect of the users who plagiarize for immediate/fast rewards who participate in signature campaign. Why exclude the plagiarize used to create a legendary account of a developer who will create and promote projects gaining millions of $?
Back in 2015, name me another reliable forum/source of information such as bitcointalk?

We need to keep in mind that in prior cases like this suchmoon (who likely snitched him) likes to wait until the end then present something far more damning than we have already noticed.

This all looks far too weak for any mod to act upon.

Hence why I was contrasting a perm ban for copy and pasting against the "rewards" we bestow upon others proven to have conducted far more disgusting and untrustworthy deeds.

You want an environment where everyone is treated as equally as possible and their ENTIRE net contribution for their entire history here on this board is considered where any punishment or "reward" is being decided upon.

I too agree with this.

After spendings hours and some efforts in finding a copy-paste, I went through most of his post history and none of them seemed spammy to me.

At the end of the day, what matters is if the person we are banning from the community is worth it or not. In this case it is not for sure as Limx Dev never attempted to do anything which would harm the community rather helped in building a better one.

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I think this statement of theymos would help here.


I would insist theymos to lift up the ban as nothing in this case looks intentional.

Okay cool

We can discuss those other points in a new thread I will make shortly. Sometimes 100% perfect solution is not required to be an improvement over totally broken system that is crushing free speech. But for sure this is a discussion for another thread.... try searching for most important thread of the year on this board and we can discuss it there if you like.
If there is any serious side to the copy and paste at all then just take off their sigs for a few years.

agree here




a jail is not the solution, the bots will find ways to go around.
Also it make it hard for real new useres as if there is a newbe jail these are also excluded.




Copy and pasting a complete guide without mention the source is for me plagiarism.

but overall I think yeas, there must be somehow a bit more relaxed in plagiarism but be non relaxed on signature spamming (which is the source on plagiarism dabate in my eyes)


but now i also think that this is an mostly off topic reply for this thread..

This I agree with. If you would have stopped here instead of repeating the same thing you always post anywhere, I would have merited your post as being worth reading. Now I'm quoting just the relevant part.

This all looks like weak sauce for a perm ban. Just take off his sig for a couple of years.

What kind of place is this? it is turning into a complete sham.

1. perm ban devs and real contributors for a couple of copy and paste which is not even likely financially motivated, likely just got sloppy or forgot to reference original source (does not look like any ground breaking revelations or anything even covered by copyright). I mean he is obviously not a copy and paste bot spammer and creates a lot of original content.

2. we reward, promote and provide financial incentive for

a. proven liars
b. proven and self confessed trust abusers
c. proven sneaky and greedy financially motivated racist trolling sig spamming sock puppets
d. those STRONGLY implicated in extortion attempts who contact and threaten peoples parents
e. those implicated in moving the btc they were intrusted with for escrow purposes to gain personally from any forks
f. those with observable double standards on SERIOUS matters.

3. sneaky snitches like suchmoon who revels in getting real contributors and NON scammers banned whilst enabling/ protecting the most shady and scammy shits on here.

What a fucked up place it's all turning into.

We just sold out free speech here on this board by implementing merit (now DT) to take care of a bunch of  ico spammers/bots  who should have been contained within a noob jail in the first place and not allowed anywhere near the valuable posters who were driven away.

Allowing this copy and paste shit to be weaponized is another huge mistake.  Who seriously gives 1 fuck if someone copies a mining guide, a news posts about a project, any helpful information that was requested. Come on this is fucking pathetic we care about this but not about the A - F of real scum bags whom we want to reward, praise and promote.

Copy and paste perm bans should be for bots, text spinners, frequent copy and pasters for clear financial gain. Those using copy and paste to ruin the board for financial reward. Not those helping others or just a bit lazy. Ban occasional lazy and reward and pay scammers?? yeah okay sounds legit.

I've never encountered such a bunch of sniveling vermin.

There MUST be more behind this kind of account to be banned. Did his projects turn into scams? is there any observable untrustworthy wrongdoing with financial motives here? if so present it.

All this hassle, innocent accounts getting ruined with red paint, real contributors banned on weaponized copy and paste nonsense, the free speech of the entire board now crushed by merit and dt, .... just to deal with some shitty ico spammers.  

Just take off his sig for a few years, I'm sure he will not mind if he is a real enthusiast.

If this is not financially motivated then theymos will surely sig ban him since chitbitcity was allowed back  because of some DT supporters. One of which I think was suchmoon.

You bet. Satoshi Nakamoto as the Death Reaper.

At least he/ she could finally meet the Bitcoin maker.

in general, there is no excuse in plagiarism.

I probably spent hours to find that post, LOL.
I agreed your findings likely the most possible reason of Limx Dev's perma ban.
I just curious why around 5 years after posting this, he got perma banned, not sooner.  
Anyway, I felt deeply regret for Limx Dev, who probably did not read forum rules carefully and unintentionally, carelessly plagiarised.

One more question, for plagiarism, if someone violates only one time, they will get perma banned when plagiarism found or after two, three, four times till a death penalty comes?

Good Catch bro,

But I don't think this probably should be the reason for banning a profile, as anyone could randomly roll up same words and form a similar sentence online. It does not mean its plagiarized, it could be a coincidence of same sentence formation to answer a similar question.

I think there should be a better explanation for the ban than this.

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This is a decent reason for ban which is posting others content without any source. A considerable copy-paste.

Copied:

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Obviously you don't care a satoshi about this forum or it's rules, do you?

The one of the probable reasons why 'Limx Dev' profile was banned.

It's sad that your account got banned but in the thread you started I think your issue was pointed out. As for Limx Dev's case, we are yet to see what go him banned.

The warning is laid out there in form of rules.
Also i don't think evading ban is the best thing to do.

It is very sad, I feel sorry.

I also received such a message and my account was also blocked.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/gregofdoom-246377


I think it is unfair.
For many years we have been on bitcointalk, we have legacy accounts and we are heavily involved in crypto topics,
so instead of blocking it might be a better solution to warn us that we are doing something wrong and not BLOCKING AN ACCOUNT at once.

Limx Dev did a lot of good and helped many people.

Bitcointalk administrators, please think again.

It's quite funny that he received a ban just now. It is also very bad that right now btt moderation can ban dev of 2 big cryptocurrencies without any proofs.

Note the bold part in theymos' quote. It's fine to run a giveaway, as long as you don't pay to spam.

I liked the Limx Dev' threads, so I'm curious what the real reason for the ban is.

Making one post in an airdrop thread won't get you banned, I know because I've made that mistake myself.  I could see that account being banned for spamming the forum, but odds are it's because the account continued to promote the airdrop.

It is too general message.
There are three possible reasons, as the message shown:
- sending personal messages (and got reported).
- Spamming.
- Plagiarising.
So, no one knows the real reasons if simply read the message.
Let's wait for comments of other prestigious, skilled users.

In particular, this is what is on his dashboard. So I am confident it's obviously not connected to the Bitsend Airdrop or any give away.

I haven't done in-depth research. However, it does not appear that receiving the Bitsend airdrop has anything to do with posting insubstantial posts, such as your bitsend address or something. So it really isn't what is meant by a giveaway thread. The bitsend thread has not been locked, so this wasn't the reason for the ban.

Permanent bans usually can not come back.
On the case of Limx Dev, I just felt curious that the BitSend project has run its weekly airdrops for years, not from recent days, recent months.
So, it's too strange to see he/ she just got permanent ban recently.
Which kinds of problems led to the ban recently?
- Forum rules changed/ adjusted
- His/ her violation for years, but still recently found.

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Anyone can confirm reasons for the case.
Thank you.

The rule to not use another account if you are banned is very old. So the past must be in the early days of this forum.

That was never a problem in the past.

And the message was edited 2 minutes ago 
Guess.

That's not the reason for your ban. The message was just deleted by mods.
If, banning was based on deleted off topic messages then I bet very few people would be left in the forum. The banning could have clearly been due to plagiarism or consistent spamming.

Don't evade your ban while you're appealing it.


Your "seeing" doesn't magically invoke the banhammer. Report offending posts to the moderators. That doesn't help the OP in any way though.

Personally I don't see any reason for banning the account, in fact I have seen
comments that break the rules of the forum in a blatant way and the accounts
remain intact.

When it comes to breaking any of the forum rules, It doesn't when the Spam/Plagiarism was committed, the punishment remains the same Temp or Perma ban.
I could be wrong but, I think if what you quoted below is indeed your offense it probably should be a temporary ban, except it's been done numerous times.

Hello,

the account Limx Dev is banned.  The reason is a one-year-old message for a small Airdrop. This Airdrop was executed in another forum.





Please unlock the account for editing announcement threads.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/annmain-bitcore-btx-datacarriersize-up-to-220-bytes-1883902
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/annbsd-bitsend-online-since-2014-core-017-1370307

Account -> Limx Dev https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/limx-dev-389271