I'd just like to know how Watoshi-Dimobuto can say with a straight face that he's been away for four years, got boared ... drifted away when two of his alts were still active last year:
Rather, this proves that those three accounts linked to me in 2014 are not my alts. If I was active last year, why would I ask Zazarb to release escrow now? Besides, aren't you agreeing with me that I didn't hack this account?
What I said is the truth.
@Zazarb, do you agree or disagree that you are liable and will send escrowed amount/loan/collateral amount again if the recipient signs a staked address and claims his account was hacked at the time and the address you sent to is lost?
Do you consider it OK to give loans out of escrowed funds?
Probably not.
I would say definitely not. If you're escrowing a transaction, the only thing you should do with the funds is to keep them safe and distribute them fairly upon completion of the transaction between the parties involved. Using escrowed funds for loans or investing them to make a profit is greedy
at best and unethical at worst.
I'm trying to follow exactly what went on with this situation, but my befuddled brain isn't taking it all in. One thing I do understand is that OP doesn't seem to understand why it's important that he verify he is who he says he is--and it's NOT off-topic to this thread to discuss that.
Yes. IMO, it is more than unethical if the agreement implies the escrow should keep it untouched in the bitcoin address/account. Greedy and unethical applies if you are talking about agreements between friends and family.
I don't understand why it's necessary that I verify I lent the money, when the escrow can send the money to repayment address before my account was supposedly hacked.
To be fair, this was rather unexpected. Gkv9 was supposed to send it to the repayment address. Before I forgot about it, I thought gkv9 never sent the payment. I didn't stake an address in the Meta thread or link PGP key to bitcointalk account.
I don't understand what reason Zazarb has to withhold escrow. I don't understand why many of you considers this OK. I don't think scaring away people from using escrow is the right approach.
QS is correct here IMO..
Escrow funds should be released to the original repayment address..
If it is not the real Watoshi, and the coins get burnt because the real Watoshi lost access to the original repayment address, then it is the real Watoshi's fault for letting his account get hacked, and losing access to the repayment address in the contract..
Should not need proof of identity to release funds to the original repayment address because their was no clause in the escrow contract for proof of identity for doing so..
The escrow contract basically said that the Watoshi account will ask for escrow to be released to the original repayment address, and now the Watoshi account is doing exactly that..
Moving the funds from the escrow address, after the contract explicitly stated the funds were not to be moved, also looks not so great..
Doesn't matter if it's been 1 year or 10 years, old keys still work fine..
It is also completely understandable that one could receive coins to an address but not be able to sign a message from it, like any exchange account or many 3rd party services..
All this over 0.01BTC..
Thank you. This is the real Watoshi Dimobuto and the coins won't be burned.
- OP has been saying it'd be too much effort to sign messages, and considered zarzarb was taking those funds as a loan and ask for an almost 8.5BTC repayment (lol)
- It's been suggested that the original repayment address is used to release the funds, OP agrees, but that brings a question up: If he has access to that address, why doesn't he sign a message?
I think that is pretty much the current situation. I have not mentioned the thread Lauda created, because I didn't catch it on time, now it's locked, and I don't think that anything different from what has been said here was said.
The only thing that is questionable here is the fact of the funds changing address when it was a clearly "monitored" one; but from there, to using that funds on his personal lending thread as OP suggests, there quite some space
You are always giving the benefit of the doubt to Zazarb, but not to me. You already decided your position based on our trust feedbacks before you read OP.
zazarb assumed gkv9 obligations to repay the interest amount due on gkv9 in exchange for a payment of equal amount plus the fee zazarb charged. Zazarb also explicitly agreed to not move the bitcoin he was holding on behalf of gkv9.
It appears zazarb has commingled the bitcoin he was holding with his own personal bitcoin. This is not good and is something I would consider if someone asked to use zazarb as an escrow agent in a transaction I was a part of.
I also don’t see any basis for withholding the bitcoin to the OP. The repayment address remains unchanged and the basis for gkv9 not sending the interest payment to the OP directly was that there might be a question if the transaction was actually from gkv9 for the purpose of paying the interest or was from someone else.
The majority of the world has travel restrictions imposed so it is not entirely unexpected the OP cannot provide a signed message. The OP also never agreed to provide a signed message as a condition of receiving payment. The majority of the world also is experiencing financial stress currently so it would be expected for those who are owed money to make attempts to recover payment.
I think it would have been most appropriate to send the bitcoin to the OP in 2016, but given this didn’t happen, it should be released to him immediately. This is regardless of any speculation that the OP is a hacked account.
If zazarb or anyone else has evidence that is not speculation that the person who is owed the .01 doesn’t wish to receive the payment to the original repayment address he is now requesting payment to be sent to, he should present it immediately.
OP is now reposting their posts to keep them at the bottom of their thread.
You are free to open multiple scam accusations threads :
Watoshi-Dimobuto's alt scammed $15 in 2015.
Watoshi-Dimobuto can't sign bitcoin address. His account is hacked
Watoshi-Dimobuto reposted one post OMG!
What else?
Watoshi-Dimobuto is attempting to extort
BTC 8.5 from Zazarb
https://archive.vn/NmiyA#selection-5409.0-5413.20You really left feedback for that? LOL That is overkilling it
- I didn't hack this account
- I have never defaulted on loans
- I am not an extortionist
- Watoshi, Zorrocoin, searle421 are not my alts
- I admit to reposting
[moderator's note: consecutive posts merged]