Topic: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated] - page 62. (Read 771280 times)

The prices you mention are from the hoster isnt it? So dalkore made it. But i believe there is a community or so with power from water plants near Denver? and thats where Dalkore is having his hosting service. As far as i understood dalkore the power costs in that area are really that low. Though i dont know for sure. Someone posted the link in one of dalkores 2 advertising threads where this community is if youre interested.

if you go to their pricing page, they seem to be charging $0.2669 ("CURRENT PRICING:  $0.085* per BTU [British Thermal Unit]   (Watts * 3.41 = BTU)).
I could be reading it wrong, here's the link: http://www.loopadoop.info/index.php?q=aHR0cDovL2JpdGNvaW5hc2ljaG9zdGluZy5jb20vcHJpY2luZy8%3D

Sure, they're including all of the services in that price, but they're charging by the watt nevertheless, meaning that if your rig eats double the electricity, it will be twice as expencive to host.
That makes the $.02 energy cost a sales gimmick - both unverifiable and irrelevant when *you're* actually paying ~$.27.

As an example, i can rent you a house and tell you that it's a great deal because my monthly costs are only $10, but then charge you $7,000 nevertheless.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/hosting-high-cacacity-density-bitcoin-asic-hosting-186559

2 Cents but pretty near.

No the point is about getting proof about statements or claims made about peoples background and experience. Nothing to do with what KnC do today, but what they claimed to be doing 25 years ago (combined).

Miner; KnC have created a product, and shipped said product. Ken has not yet.

If you provide me proof that this statement from KnC is true I will do my best to prove the above info (which has been stated publicly by ACtM) is true:

'Kennemar & Cole is a combination of Andreas Kennemar and Sam Cole. Together having more than 25 years of expertise and global experience of bringing services and products to market.'
https://www.kncminer.com/pages/aboutus

And I want proof for both parties.

if you are going to state these as facts then I ask for you to provide proof to back up your statements of:

1. he is a very experienced software engineer
2. a very experienced businessman
3. he has two life-time engineers on his team
4. together with their suppliers they have come up with these projections

EDIT - not saying any of these arent possibly true, just want this backed up with proof.

You're right. It is not entirely true that "this" has been happening for long. These stages of the complete process have been around for a while, but the time short time frames are a new element that really change the game.

The design of the chip is done. The design of the board still seems to be underway, but it should definitely be done by the time chips roll off the line. As for the speed of the pick and place machines I'd agree, although it would probably still take a couple/few days to get all those boards through. There is still the setup for the lines though and there is kitting and other prep work to do, and even the waiting to get on a line. Any good assembly house runs at a pretty high capacity factor, and some order like this is not substantial enough that they're going to kick another client off a line in the middle of their run so that they can immediately start on yours.

It's not impossible for AMC/VMC to get working hardware into people's hands by the end of Q2. Hell, if they want to really pay they could probably even get 1PH/s online by June 30th of they get the chips April 1st if everything goes extremely well and they're willing to take some possibly expensive risks, at the cost of really raising their average unit price, and absolutely nothing goes wrong.

I would disagree that this happens so many times long before Bitcoin though. The insane standing starts we see here are due to the time sensitive nature of the Bitcoin world. If Ken were designing cable modems using a custom ASIC or something the idea of have 10,000 units in customers homes 3 months after the first sample chip rolls off the line would be crazy.

Ken has the facts and details at hand, he is a very experienced software engineer, (as well as a very experienced businessman) he has two life-time engineers on his team, together with their suppliers they have come up with these projections.

Mr Teal does not have all the details about this company infront of him, he has not negotiated with ACtM's suppliers or know the agreed timelines, and neither is he as knowledgeable as a combination of 3 life-time engineers.

the fact they you take them as facts from Ken, but then when MrTeal (who has been around much longer and has some real street cred) posts his take on it you tell him he cant be right cause Ken said this - it's just sad really.  You are coming off like a 9 year old boy saying my dad can beat your dad up.

EDIT - tried to made the 1st sentence make more sense.

Ad Hominem attacks are unnecessary on this thread.

Ken can you give us more insight on the share transfer process; anything we need to do and when you plan to have it finished it by?

That time it was a typo - I'm trying to be more sensible and just present the facts as reported to us by this company. If we don't actually know the stated facts first how can we question them? At the moment people are believing the lies or half-truths spread by new-comers to this thread and so-called experts who have all of a sudden become very very interested in ACtM. Then people question these half-truths as if they were facts. That leads you no-where.

1. Stop making numbered lists please, it's silly.
2. That is all.

as to his "getting basic figures out by 50%" - you are saying there will be an average of close to 800 of the 55nm chips in each 4u case?  I'd really like to see how that works out.  no really.  that's a lot of power and cooling needs.  800 chips x 2.5 watts = 2000 watts just for the chips.


you can have all of my 416 shares.  if you do any trading on cryptostocks that is.  what did you say activemining was worth again?  you can buy them for that 0.01 price...

1) Whine whine whine

2) We all know who the real sock puppet monkeys are

3) You boys claim to be adults but then make big dramatic announcements about whom you are now ignoring

4) Crumbs under his current name still gets off on getting a rise out of you

5) What is really important is that the CEO of Active Mining has PROMISED to start verifying shares today

6) That means that soon trading will resume

7) That is a very good thing

8 ) The CEO of Active Mining has also assured us that he has some real and competent engineers and a good project manager working for us

9) We do not have to be #1.

10) We all will make money even if we are #4 in the mining game

11) All other speculation is just fodder for crumbs-mainline

12) We will all be rich or at least richer than we were before Mr. Slaughter met us

I didn't say anything about the difficulty  or how profitable it would be. My post entirely focused on the feasibility of bringing 1PH/s online by the end of Q2.

As I said, it was a number picked to keep the math simple. I wouldn't be so quick to assume the 1498GH/s will actually get into a 4U chassis though, my simplified number might actually be closer to the truth. You're looking at 2kW just in the ASICs for that kind of hashrate and somewhere north of 2500W for the whole chassis.

Sure, if you want to. It was just a back of the hand number I picked to show scale. Your 10,666 boards isn't any more realistic though, unless Ken has confirmed the number of hashing boards in each 1.498TH/s unit.

What does the capacity of UMC have to do with the time it takes to finish a couple hundred wafers. It's not like if it takes 10 days at a fab that can do 4,500 wafers/day that UMC could do it in 1.

Of course the post is speculation. The company isn't transparent enough to make plans with anything resembling the full information. For the PCB time, for that quantity sub 1-week leads would probably be off the table at most vendors. I haven't quoted 10k pieces before (from the 3rd largest manufacturer in the US, which specializes in quicker turns), but I have gotten 1700pc quotes and while you might be able to shave a day or two off at that volume, be prepared to pay double or more for the privilege. Realistically you'd probably be looking at getting them made in China and taking a couple weeks, as doing an order that large with a quick turn in the US would probably cost you an extra couple hundred thousand dollars.

But I digress, it seems you've entirely missed the point of my post. It had nothing at all to do with the feasibility of making a 1PH/s mine. That is entirely possible, and there will probably be a couple 1PH/s mines around by the end of the year. It was only discussing the possibility of getting a 1PH/s mine up and running by the end of Q2.

minerpart/slaughter whoever you may be.
You need to be quiet when people that know are speaking.  
There are few ways that the slaughters can avoid prosecution but one of them is to actual get something going.   When people are posting information that ken needs to read and consider, you need to stay off the thread.   What you have in the last two pages are MANY pieces of information that Ken will need to know (and likely does not) and it might just help him get something done.   In addition to that, there is your pollution.
the last thing bitcoin needs is more blowups with whiny little bitches like you complaining to the press that you lost your investment.   The more you post about details you do not understand, the more people who do know things realize what a fool you are.   My greatest fear is that you actually might be a slaughter because if you are, there is no chance this ends well.  Arrogance combined with ignorance rarely breeds success.
It is time Ken starts asking for help so he can get something done.  There are tons of people here that have already done what he needs to do and many of them would be willing to help.
Want to make some BTC Minerpart?  
Find me this 1.7 cents per kW/h electricity in the USA (all in cost for baseloaded power, that does not require an economic development review (ie. you do not have to hire xx number of people and start a factory since a data center does not do that) and I will give you 5 btc.    If you are interested in spending your time doing that, tell me and I will define fully what you need to do (the hurdle will not be high, I will just need confirmable proof from the utility, or federal power authority so after you find it, you will need to budget a day getting me the package together).  

I'd like to call something out as well.

So based on my math with the 55nm chip using 16 chips per card we come up around 3TH per "Set". Ken indicated 10.xxx before... but based on some quick math at 1.9GH per chip that's 5520 total chips or 57.5 chips per card. Packaged at 11x11 anyone care to guess the total size of a card to include 57.5 chips per card?

Am I missing something?

really, so all the times you have typed it that way and have done that to several other users on this forum have been nothing but typos?  forgive me for thinking it was a deliberate debating tactic...