Add ~Lauda & ~Zin-Zang to your Default Trust Settings

Zin-Zang

member

Activity: 364

Merit: 13

Killing Lightning Network with a 51% Ignore attack

Considering how badly the forums mods are censoring my posts.

This is my last post in this shithole.

Vod, Who cowardly refuses to post his real address.
Hey you'll be burning in hell soon enough for what you did to those kids.

Lauda
Fuck off Bitch, I hope your STDs gets worse.

Tman, I say grow the fuck up, but that would still take you 20 years, and you still be an idiot
also minifrij sockpuppet

To the rest of Lauda & Bitches SockPuppets, FUCK OFF.

achow101, you're a piece of shit, in case you were uncertain.

Cool

Timelord2067

legendary

Activity: 3696

Merit: 2219

💲🏎️💨🚓

Quote from: Zin-Zang on January 11, 2019, 01:00:53 PM

My Bad

Updated

~Timelord2067

*Sweet* I made the list on post number three! - Looks like I'm making in-roads after all. This thread reminds me of the one created by Thule -
Announcement @Lauda @ThePharacist @actmyname @Timelord2067 @suchmoon for its ramblings. You don't suppose there's a connection between the two UID's?

minifrij

legendary

Activity: 2352

Merit: 1267

In Memory of Zepher

Quote from: Zin-Zang on January 11, 2019, 03:05:04 PM

blah blah blah

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqZY2zatqDg

cryptohunter

legendary

Activity: 2100

Merit: 1167

MY RED TRUST LEFT BY SCUMBAGS - READ MY SIG

Quote from: xtraelv on January 11, 2019, 02:33:05 PM

Quote from: Zin-Zang on January 11, 2019, 02:24:40 PM

BY everyone excluding the bad apples, it makes certain they Lose DT Status and their reign of abuse ends.

Sadly it is the best that can be done, preferable wold be to scrap the whole useless DT system.

All adding members does is create default trust gangs, that will still abuse the system for their personal gain.

DT is a corrupt system, no matter how it is managed. And it harms more than it ever helped.

Cool

I disagree. It is only a warning system.

If I see a warning for trolling I would react differently to that user than if I saw a warning for an actual scam where people lost funds.

Even with a scam warning - different people have different opinions as to what happened and what constitutes a scam. So the details and description is important.

Lauda is one of the DT members that I don't know & haven't communicated with. But I do know that it was a mess when Lauda got removed from DT because many real scammers (my definition) were no longer identifiable as such.

Hopefully the new system will be an improvement of sorts and encourage users to create better trust networks based on actual trust.

From what I have seen is that it is a curse to be on the DT list. It appears to attract the wrath of trolls and scammers.

However it does prevent people from participating in the PAID2POST that most of the DT members /merit sources like to benefit from.

Hence why strict criteria needs to be introduced. Subjectivity is where abuse stems from.

Zin-Zang

member

Activity: 364

Merit: 13

Killing Lightning Network with a 51% Ignore attack

Quote from: xtraelv on January 11, 2019, 03:05:26 PM

Quote from: Zin-Zang on January 11, 2019, 02:42:30 PM

The Problem with DT is the members are Judge , Jury and Executioner with NO APPEALS PROCESS WHATSOEVER, their word is Law and you have no recourse.

Without an appeals process the whole DT is a Sham and always will be.

Cool

No they are not judge jury and executioner. The people who judge you are the people who read the comment.

The appeals process is in reputation.

Like with a court process if you go in yelling and screaming it is likely to get a worse outcome.

A red tag is not the end of the world. It is one opinion.

There are many things that happen in life that you cannot appeal elsewhere.

Love, friendship, trust and respect are all things that if you lose it you cannot appeal to an external authority to regain. You have to negotiate with those directly involved.

An appeal Process can over turn a bad verdict and remove those abusing the system.

DT has no real appeals process.

Otherwise all of the Lauda Topics would not even exist , because she would have been removed years ago.

Her name is mentioned more than all others and your ignoring her misdeeds , make you more part of the problem than solution.

Cool

FYI:
If you truly believe a red tag means so little, then why the dissent at just scraping the whole useless DT system, because useless it is.

Cool

xtraelv

legendary

Activity: 1288

Merit: 1926

฿ear ride on the rainbow slide

Quote from: Zin-Zang on January 11, 2019, 02:42:30 PM

The Problem with DT is the members are Judge , Jury and Executioner with NO APPEALS PROCESS WHATSOEVER, their word is Law and you have no recourse.

Without an appeals process the whole DT is a Sham and always will be.

Cool

No they are not judge jury and executioner. The people who judge you are the people who read the comment.

The appeals process is in reputation.

Like with a court process if you go in yelling and screaming it is likely to get a worse outcome.

A red tag is not the end of the world. It is one opinion.

There are many things that happen in life that you cannot appeal elsewhere.

Love, friendship, trust and respect are all things that if you lose it you cannot appeal to an external authority to regain. You have to negotiate with those directly involved.

Zin-Zang

member

Activity: 364

Merit: 13

Killing Lightning Network with a 51% Ignore attack

Quote from: Vod on January 11, 2019, 02:48:59 PM

I have to say Zin-Zang, you are quite the selfish asshole, just like Quickseller.

You believe children are being sexually assaulted, you have the person's name and city, and you refuse to contact the local police.

I hope you can sleep at night. On ignore you go.

Foolish VOD ,

Post your Full address coward and then try and explain to the ones that arrive why it is ok the evil you have committed?

The Authorities I will be sending are not the Police. Cool

(That was your mistake.)

The Police have proven useless, it is a higher power , and you will cower before them like the little bitch you are.

Still Waiting Full Street Address & Apt# ?

Cool

Vod

legendary

Activity: 3668

Merit: 3010

Licking my boob since 1970

I have to say Zin-Zang, you are quite the selfish asshole, just like Quickseller.

You believe children are being sexually assaulted, you have the person's name and city, and you refuse to contact the local police.

I hope you can sleep at night. On ignore you go.

Zin-Zang

member

Activity: 364

Merit: 13

Killing Lightning Network with a 51% Ignore attack

Quote from: mikeywith on January 11, 2019, 02:41:44 PM

your time is over zin-zang , you had more than you deserve. sending you to ignore zoo , right where you belong.

I would expect your 9 year old ass to still watch the Muppets.

Scram kid, you bother me.

Cool

FYI:
Funny when you point out that these SOBs, are using an alias, they no longer want to talk. Cheesy

Zin-Zang

member

Activity: 364

Merit: 13

Killing Lightning Network with a 51% Ignore attack

Quote from: xtraelv on January 11, 2019, 02:33:05 PM

Quote from: Zin-Zang on January 11, 2019, 02:24:40 PM

BY everyone excluding the bad apples, it makes certain they Lose DT Status and their reign of abuse ends.

Sadly it is the best that can be done, preferable wold be to scrap the whole useless DT system.

All adding members does is create default trust gangs, that will still abuse the system for their personal gain.

DT is a corrupt system, no matter how it is managed. And it harms more than it ever helped.

Cool

I disagree. It is only a warning system.

If I see a warning for trolling I would react differently to that user than if I saw a warning for an actual scam where people lost funds.

Even with a scam warning - different people have different opinions as to what happened and what constitutes a scam. So the details and description is important.

Lauda is one of the DT members that I don't know & haven't communicated with. But I do know that it was a mess when Lauda got removed from DT because many real scammers (my definition) were no longer identifiable as such.

Hopefully the new system will be an improvement of sorts and encourage users to create better trust networks based on actual trust.

From what I have seen is that it is a curse to be on the DT list. It appears to attract the wrath of trolls and scammers.

Exactly you use the red tag alone , never bothering to read what events actually conspired.
Lauda is one of the Major Scammers on BTCtalk,
you think Theymos kicked her off the staff because she was innocent , come on guy , you can't be that naive.

Scan the Bitcoin Cash Thread, and you find multiple people red tagged by lauda merely for the fact they prefer BCH over BTC , no other reason.
* My own red tag was merely for pointing out known flaws in LN, so much for freedom of speech on this forums. *
How do you justify such an extreme abuse of the DT system?

The Problem with DT is the members are Judge , Jury and Executioner with NO APPEALS PROCESS WHATSOEVER, their word is Law and you have no recourse.

Without an appeals process the whole DT is a Sham and always will be.

Cool

mikeywith

legendary

Activity: 2394

Merit: 6581

be constructive or S.T.F.U

Quote from: Zin-Zang on January 11, 2019, 02:31:25 PM

Did your mommy tell you to get off the computer, TMAN aka virgin boy.

oh really, you wanna bring "moms" in this ?

hmmm

your time is over zin-zang , you had more than you deserve. sending you to ignore zoo , right where you belong.

Zin-Zang

member

Activity: 364

Merit: 13

Killing Lightning Network with a 51% Ignore attack

@cabalism13

Even thru most of Lauda Bitches are popping in as sock puppets,

Feel free to fuck off.

Because I would just kick your ass to pass the time.

Cool

xtraelv

legendary

Activity: 1288

Merit: 1926

฿ear ride on the rainbow slide

Quote from: Zin-Zang on January 11, 2019, 02:24:40 PM

BY everyone excluding the bad apples, it makes certain they Lose DT Status and their reign of abuse ends.

Sadly it is the best that can be done, preferable wold be to scrap the whole useless DT system.

All adding members does is create default trust gangs, that will still abuse the system for their personal gain.

DT is a corrupt system, no matter how it is managed. And it harms more than it ever helped.

Cool

I disagree. It is only a warning system.

If I see a warning for trolling I would react differently to that user than if I saw a warning for an actual scam where people lost funds.

Even with a scam warning - different people have different opinions as to what happened and what constitutes a scam. So the details and description is important.

Lauda is one of the DT members that I don't know & haven't communicated with. But I do know that it was a mess when Lauda got removed from DT because many real scammers (my definition) were no longer identifiable as such.

Hopefully the new system will be an improvement of sorts and encourage users to create better trust networks based on actual trust.

From what I have seen is that it is a curse to be on the DT list. It appears to attract the wrath of trolls and scammers.

cabalism13

legendary

Activity: 1428

Merit: 1166

🤩Finally Married🤩

Quote from: mikeywith on January 11, 2019, 02:28:58 PM

i have more important things in life to do than having to search the forum for some bullshit you another person might have posted, it only makes sense that when you accuse someone you post the evidence on the same post,you don't ask people to "go look for the evidence".

i have been only been active on the forum the past couple months ,new members come every hour and see your topic, you are stupid to assume that everybody knows what happened before.

I am not going to waste anymore time on your B.S before you post the evidence right here "not ask me to go find it"

You can use this photo mate...

Good Day Zin Zang! Another loser has been alive for hours

Hope you're doing well. Anyways lets just have a drink while having this very long convo. Its my treat, we're gonna dring pure "TUBA" (A kind of liquor)

Zin-Zang

member

Activity: 364

Merit: 13

Killing Lightning Network with a 51% Ignore attack

Quote from: mikeywith on January 11, 2019, 02:28:58 PM

Quote from: Zin-Zang on January 11, 2019, 02:09:23 PM

Dude, if you're too stupid to see what is front of you , not my problem.
You the one blind to the evidence, so if you don't care , why did you even ask?

Look at the Lauda threads, there are more than just me pointing out she is a crook.
You want solid proof, when she steals your money that should do it.

I know she steals money, which is why i would never use her escrow service, i don't have to learn the hard way.

Cool

i have more important things in life to do than having to search the forum for some bullshit you another person might have posted, it only makes sense that when you accuse someone you post the evidence on the same post,you don't ask people to "go look for the evidence".

i have been only been active on the forum the past couple months ,new members come every hour and see your topic, you are stupid to assume that everybody knows what happened before.

I am not going to waste anymore time on your B.S before you post the evidence right here "not ask me to go find it"

Did your mommy tell you to get off the computer, TMAN aka virgin boy.

Yeah, you little prick , i know it is you.

Scram kid , you bother me.

Cool

mikeywith

legendary

Activity: 2394

Merit: 6581

be constructive or S.T.F.U

Quote from: Zin-Zang on January 11, 2019, 02:09:23 PM

Dude, if you're too stupid to see what is front of you , not my problem.
You the one blind to the evidence, so if you don't care , why did you even ask?

Look at the Lauda threads, there are more than just me pointing out she is a crook.
You want solid proof, when she steals your money that should do it.

I know she steals money, which is why i would never use her escrow service, i don't have to learn the hard way.

Cool

i have more important things in life to do than having to search the forum for some bullshit you another person might have posted, it only makes sense that when you accuse someone you post the evidence on the same post,you don't ask people to "go look for the evidence".

i have been only been active on the forum the past couple months ,new members come every hour and see your topic, you are stupid to assume that everybody knows what happened before.

I am not going to waste anymore time on your B.S before you post the evidence right here "not ask me to go find it"

Zin-Zang

member

Activity: 364

Merit: 13

Killing Lightning Network with a 51% Ignore attack

Quote from: xtraelv on January 11, 2019, 02:19:13 PM

I don't agree with all the negative feedback left by DTs but I certainly would strongly advise against ~[insert name of default trust member] because feedback is meant as a warning to other users.

By eliminating all feedback left by a DT because just some of it is controversial leaves users unaware of potential identified risks.

Ultimately using a ~[insert name of default trust member] just means that you won't be ware of the potential risks.

I recommend adding as many users that you trust to your trust list (and leave them positive feedback) and only exclude people if your really don't trust them (not if they just have a few differences of opinion). That is how the system was designed to work.

By everyone excluding the bad apples with a ~, it makes certain they Lose DT Status and their reign of abuse ends.

Sadly it is the best that can be done, preferable wold be to scrap the whole useless DT system.

All adding members does is create default trust gangs, that will still abuse the system for their personal gain.

DT is a corrupt system, no matter how it is managed. And it will always harm more than it ever helped.

Cool

TheBeardedBaby

legendary

Activity: 2240

Merit: 3150

₿uy / $ell ..oeleo ;(

Quote from: mikeywith on January 11, 2019, 01:35:44 PM

Quote from: Zin-Zang on January 11, 2019, 01:10:19 PM

cliff note version:
Lauda is a known extortionist, was actually kicked off the btctalk staff, steals money from people dumb enough to use her escrow service.
red tags anyone, that disagrees with her, abusing her DT status, which was recently reinstated by theymos after other DT members kicked her out.
That is the gist of it.
Cool

short post > check
solid evidence > missing

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Quote from: suchmoon on January 11, 2019, 01:14:08 PM

An active outspoken ~~cat~~ user. Used to be a moderator and a DT2 member but got entangled into what was either a sting operation gone bad or an extortion scheme, depending on who you listen to, and you probably don't want to listen to the likes of Zin-Zang too much. So Lauda got booted from moderators and from DT2 but now came back into DT1. The guy/girl thing is still an open question.

anybody came up with a solid proof against him/her ? if yes, why is he/she still around after a "proven extortion" , if no , what is everybody whining about?

i expect the answer to be too complicated

You need to get a bit more deeper to the sh!t to be part of this crazy family here (the forum).
Let me help you with one thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.42776661
Thanks to xtraelv for the great work and pugman for the extra info.
After reading all the cases you will be a bit more oriented in the mess of threads. The whole forums is like political parliament, full of parties, dirty little tricks, black PR, paid shit-trowers but there is one exception - there are many good guys around here too, you wont find them in politics.

xtraelv

legendary

Activity: 1288

Merit: 1926

฿ear ride on the rainbow slide

I don't agree with all the negative feedback left by DTs but I certainly would strongly advise against ~[insert name of default trust member] because feedback is meant as a warning to other users.

By eliminating all feedback left by a DT because just some of it is controversial leaves users unaware of potential identified risks.

Ultimately using a ~[insert name of default trust member] just means that you won't be ware of the potential risks. If you see a warning you can choose to ignore it. If you remove the warning you no longer have a choice.

I recommend adding as many users that you trust to your trust list (and leave them positive feedback) and only exclude people if your really don't trust them (not if they just have a few differences of opinion). That is how the system was designed to work.

Zin-Zang

member

Activity: 364

Merit: 13

Killing Lightning Network with a 51% Ignore attack

Quote from: mikeywith on January 11, 2019, 02:03:22 PM

Quote from: Zin-Zang on January 11, 2019, 01:47:28 PM

Tell you what,
you seem to want to deny the apparent,
so use Lauda escrow service , and we'll see if you feel that way in a few months, after she steals from you.

Go ahead, some people have to learn the hard way.

Cool

i was only asking you a simple question, and now you went about what you think i want , it's pretty much the same shit i had with cryptohunter before, i am not sure how you view the "apparent" from my side , the apparent to me now is that you are accusing someone for something without a solid proof. you asking us to exclude that member from our trust list, i am more than willing to do so if you provide your evidence.

i have no reason to try to prove Lauda is legit simply because i do not give a fuck, it's you who need to prove the opposite, so why not use his/her escrow service and document the scam process and present it before everyone to win this war once and forever?

the more evidence-less accusations on Lauda the more people want to trust him/her, ever heard of "whatever doesn't kill you simply makes you stronger"? so pull the trigger on 1 solid proof "assuming you have any" and end Lauda's career on the internet instead of giving her more power and reputation.

Dude, if you're too stupid to see what is front of you , not my problem.
You the one blind to the evidence, so if you don't care , why did you even ask?

Look at the Lauda threads, there are more than just me pointing out she is a crook.
You want solid proof, when she steals your money that should do it.

I know she steals money, which is why i would never use her escrow service, i don't have to learn the hard way.

Cool

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