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Quote from: Hariom on November 27, 2015, 11:44:33 PM

Just asked this question to theymos .
He told account farming is allowed but giving negative trust to account farmers is not discouraged too..

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« Sent to: Hariom on: Today at 09:55:05 AM »
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Yes. I've said so publicly many times.
I don't recommend it, though. I don't broker/enforce account sales, so the original owner can probably always get the account back. It's also weird/shady/distasteful. And there are (essentially) no rules to trust ratings, so people are free to give account sellers negative ratings if they want.

So jonald wont be removed from the DT as he did nothing wrong according to theymos' statement !

He wouldn't have got removed anyways, the only one who can remove someone from DT is the one who has that person on his trust list unless he abuses extremely theymos wont kick anyone out of DT

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Just asked this question to theymos .
He told account farming is allowed but giving negative trust to account farmers is not discouraged too..

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Yes. I've said so publicly many times.
I don't recommend it, though. I don't broker/enforce account sales, so the original owner can probably always get the account back. It's also weird/shady/distasteful. And there are (essentially) no rules to trust ratings, so people are free to give account sellers negative ratings if they want.

So jonald wont be removed from the DT as he did nothing wrong according to theymos' statement !

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Quote from: Neotox on November 26, 2015, 10:34:12 PM

Hello

Anyone who thinking that I am farming account is wrong, I am buying them for cheap from original owners who are either leaving the forum or need some money and I sell them for some profit

I used multiple escrows for buying selling accounts including sebastianju,monbux,master-p,shorena,blazed,Muhammed Zakir,redsn0w etc

I am not farming the account,I buy them and resell for some profit.

Thanks for making this clear and stating that.
Most on the forums here do get these terms muddled and intertwined with each other.
It is seen through a misty haze when people see these two terms separately.
By the way glad you got your trust back to green.

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Quote from: jonald_fyookball on November 26, 2015, 10:36:30 PM

Quote from: InvoKing on November 26, 2015, 09:20:46 PM

Edit: jonald, you are free to do what you think is correct but I recommend to discuss this with theymos or badbear.

Theymos already made his position clear and don't have time to step into every quarrel.

Hi jonald, i just advised to discuss this with theymos or badbear because I remember i saw a post from badbear in which he said he didn't see why people left a NT to sold accounts or something related to this discussion, I just forgot where I saw it posted and don't remember much of the text, maybe shorena could help? i think i saw you referring to it or commenting there if I am not wrong.

for the third time in this thread, Theymos' stance has already been quoted.

Anyway, there's nothing meaningful in this thread that can be further commented on, so I'm done here.
Generally, I will still continue to neg rate account farmers.

LATERZ

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Quote from: jonald_fyookball on November 26, 2015, 10:36:30 PM

Quote from: InvoKing on November 26, 2015, 09:20:46 PM

Edit: jonald, you are free to do what you think is correct but I recommend to discuss this with theymos or badbear.

Theymos already made his position clear and don't have time to step into every quarrel.

Hi jonald, i just advised to discuss this with theymos or badbear because I remember i saw a post from badbear in which he said he didn't see why people left a NT to sold accounts or something related to this discussion, I just forgot where I saw it posted and don't remember much of the text, maybe shorena could help? i think i saw you referring to it or commenting there if I am not wrong.

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Quote from: shorena on November 27, 2015, 03:41:46 AM

Quote from: Neotox on November 27, 2015, 01:35:45 AM

Quote from: steveds on November 27, 2015, 12:56:13 AM

Quote from: Neotox on November 27, 2015, 12:37:22 AM

I want to ask them so I know I should sell accounts from my this account or not?
I will do whatever they think is good, where are those guys who were against selling accounts, let me know I should sell account using my account Neotox or not?

who is them ? and who are they to answer it ? They just have a right to leave a neg-rep regardless of it being valid or not.
Better make a poll in meta about it .

The guys who are against trading forum accounts
everyone have rights to share their opinions and I want to listen their opinion about which is better selling direct or anonymously.

I already wrote this, but I will repeat it. Its commonly agreed that account sales can not be stopped, so lets not argue that point. The question is how to do it best. IMHO its best if you have people like you reselling the accounts as you have something (a reputation and high ranked account) to lose. This gives you an incentive to stay honest as you can be held accountable if mistakes are made.

Its the question that I was asking, we know we can't stop this but making it transparent is better
thanks everyone for their support and help

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Quote from: Neotox on November 27, 2015, 01:35:45 AM

Quote from: steveds on November 27, 2015, 12:56:13 AM

Quote from: Neotox on November 27, 2015, 12:37:22 AM

I want to ask them so I know I should sell accounts from my this account or not?
I will do whatever they think is good, where are those guys who were against selling accounts, let me know I should sell account using my account Neotox or not?

who is them ? and who are they to answer it ? They just have a right to leave a neg-rep regardless of it being valid or not.
Better make a poll in meta about it .

The guys who are against trading forum accounts
everyone have rights to share their opinions and I want to listen their opinion about which is better selling direct or anonymously.

I already wrote this, but I will repeat it. Its commonly agreed that account sales can not be stopped, so lets not argue that point. The question is how to do it best. IMHO its best if you have people like you reselling the accounts as you have something (a reputation and high ranked account) to lose. This gives you an incentive to stay honest as you can be held accountable if mistakes are made.

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Quote from: Quickseller on November 26, 2015, 09:37:15 AM

I don't think the OP is account farming, and neither is zazarb. From what I can tell, they are acquiring accounts via loans and when their borrowers do not repay, they sell the accounts to cover the loan, plus some amount for profit.

theymos specifically gives the example of giving accounts for collateral for loans, and it is ridiculous to say that someone who accepts collateral that was rightly owned by the person taking such loan should not be able to sell that collateral in the event the loan is not repaid.

ToSellorNotToSell has implied that he is selling his main account, although it has taken him a very long time to sell it.

Exactly my point. There is a line from selling already made accounts that are acquired and farming accounts from scratch for the sole purpose of selling them for a profit(nothing spent to acquire them).
Farming should be against the rules but selling them should not be if they have bought them or acquired them from a defaulted loan, cause what else are they going to do with them? Let them rot away from not being in use, that would be a terrible waste.

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Quote from: steveds on November 27, 2015, 12:56:13 AM

Quote from: Neotox on November 27, 2015, 12:37:22 AM

I want to ask them so I know I should sell accounts from my this account or not?
I will do whatever they think is good, where are those guys who were against selling accounts, let me know I should sell account using my account Neotox or not?

who is them ? and who are they to answer it ? They just have a right to leave a neg-rep regardless of it being valid or not.
Better make a poll in meta about it .

Just created poll here - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1266386.new#new

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Quote from: steveds on November 27, 2015, 12:56:13 AM

Quote from: Neotox on November 27, 2015, 12:37:22 AM

I want to ask them so I know I should sell accounts from my this account or not?
I will do whatever they think is good, where are those guys who were against selling accounts, let me know I should sell account using my account Neotox or not?

who is them ? and who are they to answer it ? They just have a right to leave a neg-rep regardless of it being valid or not.
Better make a poll in meta about it .

The guys who are against trading forum accounts
everyone have rights to share their opinions and I want to listen their opinion about which is better selling direct or anonymously.

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Quote from: Neotox on November 27, 2015, 12:37:22 AM

I want to ask them so I know I should sell accounts from my this account or not?
I will do whatever they think is good, where are those guys who were against selling accounts, let me know I should sell account using my account Neotox or not?

who is them ? and who are they to answer it ? They just have a right to leave a neg-rep regardless of it being valid or not.
Better make a poll in meta about it .

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I want to ask them so I know I should sell accounts from my this account or not?
I will do whatever they think is good, where are those guys who were against selling accounts, let me know I should sell account using my account Neotox or not?

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Quote from: jonald_fyookball on November 26, 2015, 11:41:20 PM

Quote from: thinkdifferent on November 26, 2015, 11:29:16 PM

Quote from: jonald_fyookball on November 26, 2015, 11:10:52 PM

Quote from: thinkdifferent on November 26, 2015, 11:06:38 PM

Quote from: jonald_fyookball on November 26, 2015, 10:02:37 AM

I don't have a problem with their countertrust. Thats the trust system working as its intended,
and I'm glad they left it because now those people won't have a red mark if the community
thinks they shouldn't. Great! Everyone should be happy. Cheesy

I don't think I'm abusing the trust system.

It's my opinion still that account farming is untrustworthy behavior, is bad for the forum, and
should be discouraged. I'm sticking to my principles and expressing that opinion.

I believe god has gave you at least little bit of working brain. If you think you got a working brain than can you prove you're red trust how it will stop account selling?

Don't behave like a immatured kid, please grow up. Common man you can try to grow up at least now you got chance to prove yourself.

I never said it would stop account selling.

Then why you created all this mess?

Think before you act on any thing you post in public. If you know it won't reduce account selling then don't simply create problems for others instead think on how to stop it once for all. Hope you understood what I'm trying to say.

No one can stop account selling but we can discourage it and I think my point was well made.

I don't appreciate your pejoratives. Please keep them to yourself.

OK, I will keep my points with me.

But if you don't know how to solve problem than do not post your shit things in this forum. Keep it yourself and enjoy.

After so many people posted you can't even discourage selling account with red feedback but still you're shit mind didn't learn lesson means you're doing all these things with some hidden agenda.

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Quote from: steveds on November 26, 2015, 11:56:35 PM

Quote from: Neotox on November 26, 2015, 11:43:37 PM

I think my question is still ignored

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13080636

Now you are pushing it ....who should answer it ? None other than admins can do that and don't say me you need a reply from theymos ...
majority of the old forum users vouched for you and you should just lock it now.

I am not pushing it and not asking admin's answer on this
I want to listen to comments of the guys who think selling accounts should be disallowed

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Quote from: Neotox on November 26, 2015, 11:43:37 PM

I think my question is still ignored

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13080636

Now you are pushing it ....who should answer it ? None other than admins can do that and don't say me you need a reply from theymos ...
majority of the old forum users vouched for you and you should just lock it now.

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I think my question is still ignored

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13080636

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Core dev leaves me neg feedback #abuse #political

Quote from: thinkdifferent on November 26, 2015, 11:29:16 PM

Quote from: jonald_fyookball on November 26, 2015, 11:10:52 PM

Quote from: thinkdifferent on November 26, 2015, 11:06:38 PM

Quote from: jonald_fyookball on November 26, 2015, 10:02:37 AM

I don't have a problem with their countertrust. Thats the trust system working as its intended,
and I'm glad they left it because now those people won't have a red mark if the community
thinks they shouldn't. Great! Everyone should be happy. Cheesy

I don't think I'm abusing the trust system.

It's my opinion still that account farming is untrustworthy behavior, is bad for the forum, and
should be discouraged. I'm sticking to my principles and expressing that opinion.

I believe god has gave you at least little bit of working brain. If you think you got a working brain than can you prove you're red trust how it will stop account selling?

Don't behave like a immatured kid, please grow up. Common man you can try to grow up at least now you got chance to prove yourself.

I never said it would stop account selling.

Then why you created all this mess?

Think before you act on any thing you post in public. If you know it won't reduce account selling then don't simply create problems for others instead think on how to stop it once for all. Hope you understood what I'm trying to say.

No one can stop account selling but we can discourage it and I think my point was well made.

I don't appreciate your pejoratives. Please keep them to yourself.

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Quote from: jonald_fyookball on November 26, 2015, 11:10:52 PM

Quote from: thinkdifferent on November 26, 2015, 11:06:38 PM

Quote from: jonald_fyookball on November 26, 2015, 10:02:37 AM

I don't have a problem with their countertrust. Thats the trust system working as its intended,
and I'm glad they left it because now those people won't have a red mark if the community
thinks they shouldn't. Great! Everyone should be happy. Cheesy

I don't think I'm abusing the trust system.

It's my opinion still that account farming is untrustworthy behavior, is bad for the forum, and
should be discouraged. I'm sticking to my principles and expressing that opinion.

I believe god has gave you at least little bit of working brain. If you think you got a working brain than can you prove you're red trust how it will stop account selling?

Don't behave like a immatured kid, please grow up. Common man you can try to grow up at least now you got chance to prove yourself.

I never said it would stop account selling.

Then why you created all this mess?

Think before you act on any thing you post in public. If you know it won't reduce account selling then don't simply create problems for others instead think on how to stop it once for all. Hope you understood what I'm trying to say.

jonald_fyookball

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Core dev leaves me neg feedback #abuse #political

Quote from: thinkdifferent on November 26, 2015, 11:06:38 PM

Quote from: jonald_fyookball on November 26, 2015, 10:02:37 AM

I don't have a problem with their countertrust. Thats the trust system working as its intended,
and I'm glad they left it because now those people won't have a red mark if the community
thinks they shouldn't. Great! Everyone should be happy. Cheesy

I don't think I'm abusing the trust system.

It's my opinion still that account farming is untrustworthy behavior, is bad for the forum, and
should be discouraged. I'm sticking to my principles and expressing that opinion.

I believe god has gave you at least little bit of working brain. If you think you got a working brain than can you prove you're red trust how it will stop account selling?

Don't behave like a immatured kid, please grow up. Common man you can try to grow up at least now you got chance to prove yourself.

I never said it would stop account selling.

thinkdifferent

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Quote from: jonald_fyookball on November 26, 2015, 10:02:37 AM

I don't have a problem with their countertrust. Thats the trust system working as its intended,
and I'm glad they left it because now those people won't have a red mark if the community
thinks they shouldn't. Great! Everyone should be happy. Cheesy

I don't think I'm abusing the trust system.

It's my opinion still that account farming is untrustworthy behavior, is bad for the forum, and
should be discouraged. I'm sticking to my principles and expressing that opinion.

I believe god has gave you at least little bit of working brain. If you think you got a working brain than can you prove you're red trust how it will stop account selling?

Don't behave like a immatured kid, please grow up. Common man you can try to grow up at least now you got chance to prove yourself.

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