I'll leave this for posterity's sake. We have both come to an agreement:
syth3 receives 7.7338 BTC as compensation.
allinvain receives a 10 BTC refund.
Topic: Advice on trading dispute between me and scyth3 - 8 x Neptunes purchase (Read 1235 times)
January 13, 2016, 02:39:57 AM
January 11, 2016, 08:30:43 PM
Here is my opinion on the matter...
If the units were advertised correctly and the buyer had some issue with setting them up to run them to their full potential, then it is not the sellers fault and he should receive the units back, plus compensation for shipping, plus a reasonable estimate of what the units would have made in the amount of time they were not running at his location (as the buyer wasted the sellers time).
If the units were advertised incorrectly and the buyer is correct, then the buyer should receive their full payment back and be reimbursed for shipping. (If the coins are held in escrow much longer I would include a reasonable amount of interest as well).
That is my 2 cents, depending on how the situation really happened.
If the units were advertised correctly and the buyer had some issue with setting them up to run them to their full potential, then it is not the sellers fault and he should receive the units back, plus compensation for shipping, plus a reasonable estimate of what the units would have made in the amount of time they were not running at his location (as the buyer wasted the sellers time).
If the units were advertised incorrectly and the buyer is correct, then the buyer should receive their full payment back and be reimbursed for shipping. (If the coins are held in escrow much longer I would include a reasonable amount of interest as well).
That is my 2 cents, depending on how the situation really happened.
Thank you for weighing in.
So I guess first it comes to, what was really advertised and what was really delivered? Do we know that yet?
What I cannot believe is how nobody is noticing how the seller is trying to get the full value of his miners (at market price) AND still keep the miners AND still hash with them! So basically he is asking for free money and nobody noticed this yet. Astounding.
Because that is only true in your world buddy.
Maybe you suck at communication. How about you put a bit more effort into it and try to make yourself clearly understood. Do I have to second guess your words?
"My compensation = 12.14BTC" You mean this amount comes back to me or YOU? When people use the word "my" they typically mean themselves. So please do explain what you mean. I understood it to mean that YOU want 12.14 BTC to YOU..YOURSELF.
If by this somehow you mean that is the refund I get than I'd be fine with that!
January 11, 2016, 08:27:01 PM
Here is my opinion on the matter...
If the units were advertised correctly and the buyer had some issue with setting them up to run them to their full potential, then it is not the sellers fault and he should receive the units back, plus compensation for shipping, plus a reasonable estimate of what the units would have made in the amount of time they were not running at his location (as the buyer wasted the sellers time).
If the units were advertised incorrectly and the buyer is correct, then the buyer should receive their full payment back and be reimbursed for shipping. (If the coins are held in escrow much longer I would include a reasonable amount of interest as well).
That is my 2 cents, depending on how the situation really happened.
If the units were advertised correctly and the buyer had some issue with setting them up to run them to their full potential, then it is not the sellers fault and he should receive the units back, plus compensation for shipping, plus a reasonable estimate of what the units would have made in the amount of time they were not running at his location (as the buyer wasted the sellers time).
If the units were advertised incorrectly and the buyer is correct, then the buyer should receive their full payment back and be reimbursed for shipping. (If the coins are held in escrow much longer I would include a reasonable amount of interest as well).
That is my 2 cents, depending on how the situation really happened.
Thank you for weighing in.
So I guess first it comes to, what was really advertised and what was really delivered? Do we know that yet?
What I cannot believe is how nobody is noticing how the seller is trying to get the full value of his miners (at market price) AND still keep the miners AND still hash with them! So basically he is asking for free money and nobody noticed this yet. Astounding.
Because that is only true in your world buddy.
January 11, 2016, 08:25:40 PM
Here is my opinion on the matter...
If the units were advertised correctly and the buyer had some issue with setting them up to run them to their full potential, then it is not the sellers fault and he should receive the units back, plus compensation for shipping, plus a reasonable estimate of what the units would have made in the amount of time they were not running at his location (as the buyer wasted the sellers time).
If the units were advertised incorrectly and the buyer is correct, then the buyer should receive their full payment back and be reimbursed for shipping. (If the coins are held in escrow much longer I would include a reasonable amount of interest as well).
That is my 2 cents, depending on how the situation really happened.
If the units were advertised correctly and the buyer had some issue with setting them up to run them to their full potential, then it is not the sellers fault and he should receive the units back, plus compensation for shipping, plus a reasonable estimate of what the units would have made in the amount of time they were not running at his location (as the buyer wasted the sellers time).
If the units were advertised incorrectly and the buyer is correct, then the buyer should receive their full payment back and be reimbursed for shipping. (If the coins are held in escrow much longer I would include a reasonable amount of interest as well).
That is my 2 cents, depending on how the situation really happened.
Thank you for weighing in.
So I guess first it comes to, what was really advertised and what was really delivered? Do we know that yet?
What I cannot believe is how nobody is noticing how the seller is trying to get the full value of his miners (at market price) AND still keep the miners AND still hash with them! So basically he is asking for free money and nobody noticed this yet. Astounding.
January 11, 2016, 08:23:34 PM
Based on $620 purchase price (see my quote of your PM) I will adjust my compensation offer higher to $2445 to account for the $20 per miner difference. $2445 is 5.48 btc at today's rate.
January 11, 2016, 08:17:02 PM
Here is my opinion on the matter...
If the units were advertised correctly and the buyer had some issue with setting them up to run them to their full potential, then it is not the sellers fault and he should receive the units back, plus compensation for shipping, plus a reasonable estimate of what the units would have made in the amount of time they were not running at his location (as the buyer wasted the sellers time).
If the units were advertised incorrectly and the buyer is correct, then the buyer should receive their full payment back and be reimbursed for shipping. (If the coins are held in escrow much longer I would include a reasonable amount of interest as well).
That is my 2 cents, depending on how the situation really happened.
If the units were advertised correctly and the buyer had some issue with setting them up to run them to their full potential, then it is not the sellers fault and he should receive the units back, plus compensation for shipping, plus a reasonable estimate of what the units would have made in the amount of time they were not running at his location (as the buyer wasted the sellers time).
If the units were advertised incorrectly and the buyer is correct, then the buyer should receive their full payment back and be reimbursed for shipping. (If the coins are held in escrow much longer I would include a reasonable amount of interest as well).
That is my 2 cents, depending on how the situation really happened.
Thank you for weighing in.
So I guess first it comes to, what was really advertised and what was really delivered? Do we know that yet?
I am working on it. This was so unexpected that I had to cancel my Christmas plans to come back to test these things. I am short a few power supplies because Finksy boards came defective. They are on the way back to him now.
Please do not use emotional appeals. I have PM proof where you tell me precisely when you'll be back to test them. I doubt you missed your Christmas plans to test them.
January 11, 2016, 08:14:51 PM
Quote from: scyth3
$620 + shipping and it is a deal.
I have the units are all boxed up already, I would prefer not to open them up again. The lowest I saw was 3TH, but most did more. I put a lot more packing materials in than KNC did, so they will stay put inside the box. They should make it there safely.
I have the units are all boxed up already, I would prefer not to open them up again. The lowest I saw was 3TH, but most did more. I put a lot more packing materials in than KNC did, so they will stay put inside the box. They should make it there safely.
Then take a USD refund. Not sure why there is a double standard here. I am taking DebitMe's advice and get them all up and running. I am not wasting my time with you. You already wasted enough of my time.
There is no double standard man. You are just trying to swing the deal in your favor so you come out the winner on top no matter what. That is the problem here. You get a USD refund and I get a USD refund and the remaining btc is still mine. It's the same in the end man.
Well duh, of course you would get them up and running right away. I do not care what you do with them from this point on.
Accept the 5.10 btc compensation and get lost please you have already stressed me enough with your greedy selfish self-entitled nonsense. You just can't take any business loss can you. You must always be on top, right?
I won't take responsibility for your mistakes. That is the bottom line. You got to grow a pair and be responsible for your actions. It is the principle for me at this point. I won't let up at any point, not until I get every penny of damages you caused.
I will not let you rob me blindly. That is what you are doing. Your compensation is unreasonable. I offered to pay for everything now including the difference in price between current market value and purchase price and yet you refuse. Every time you come up with a bigger compensation number which is obvious evidence that you are just using your position of power to squeeze as much money out of me as possible. You operate like the mafia.
January 11, 2016, 08:10:57 PM
Here is my opinion on the matter...
If the units were advertised correctly and the buyer had some issue with setting them up to run them to their full potential, then it is not the sellers fault and he should receive the units back, plus compensation for shipping, plus a reasonable estimate of what the units would have made in the amount of time they were not running at his location (as the buyer wasted the sellers time).
If the units were advertised incorrectly and the buyer is correct, then the buyer should receive their full payment back and be reimbursed for shipping. (If the coins are held in escrow much longer I would include a reasonable amount of interest as well).
That is my 2 cents, depending on how the situation really happened.
If the units were advertised correctly and the buyer had some issue with setting them up to run them to their full potential, then it is not the sellers fault and he should receive the units back, plus compensation for shipping, plus a reasonable estimate of what the units would have made in the amount of time they were not running at his location (as the buyer wasted the sellers time).
If the units were advertised incorrectly and the buyer is correct, then the buyer should receive their full payment back and be reimbursed for shipping. (If the coins are held in escrow much longer I would include a reasonable amount of interest as well).
That is my 2 cents, depending on how the situation really happened.
Thank you for weighing in.
So I guess first it comes to, what was really advertised and what was really delivered? Do we know that yet?
What was advertised was 3.0 TH stable miners. What was delivered is unstable miners that hashed nowwhere near that - when they were hashing. Seller blames our PSUs. Our PSUs have no problems powering Batch 1 Neptunes, SP20s, S5s, just his miners for some reason are special. Maybe just maybe somehow our PSUs don't have the magic juice to make them work. That's why I approached to send the gear back to the seller and not waste our time and his while we wait and find other PSUs (which takes time and at the time we had other priorities). Seller agreed to this, and I though there would be no hurt feelings. We both tried to get them up and running reliably and failed. We tried all tricks we could think of. Nothing worked.
January 11, 2016, 08:10:31 PM
Here is my opinion on the matter...
If the units were advertised correctly and the buyer had some issue with setting them up to run them to their full potential, then it is not the sellers fault and he should receive the units back, plus compensation for shipping, plus a reasonable estimate of what the units would have made in the amount of time they were not running at his location (as the buyer wasted the sellers time).
If the units were advertised incorrectly and the buyer is correct, then the buyer should receive their full payment back and be reimbursed for shipping. (If the coins are held in escrow much longer I would include a reasonable amount of interest as well).
That is my 2 cents, depending on how the situation really happened.
If the units were advertised correctly and the buyer had some issue with setting them up to run them to their full potential, then it is not the sellers fault and he should receive the units back, plus compensation for shipping, plus a reasonable estimate of what the units would have made in the amount of time they were not running at his location (as the buyer wasted the sellers time).
If the units were advertised incorrectly and the buyer is correct, then the buyer should receive their full payment back and be reimbursed for shipping. (If the coins are held in escrow much longer I would include a reasonable amount of interest as well).
That is my 2 cents, depending on how the situation really happened.
Thank you for weighing in.
So I guess first it comes to, what was really advertised and what was really delivered? Do we know that yet?
I am working on it. This was so unexpected that I had to cancel my Christmas plans to come back to test these things. I am short a few power supplies because Finksy boards came defective. They are on the way back to him now.
January 11, 2016, 08:08:50 PM
Quote from: scyth3
$620 + shipping and it is a deal.
I have the units are all boxed up already, I would prefer not to open them up again. The lowest I saw was 3TH, but most did more. I put a lot more packing materials in than KNC did, so they will stay put inside the box. They should make it there safely.
I have the units are all boxed up already, I would prefer not to open them up again. The lowest I saw was 3TH, but most did more. I put a lot more packing materials in than KNC did, so they will stay put inside the box. They should make it there safely.
Then take a USD refund. Not sure why there is a double standard here. I am taking DebitMe's advice and get them all up and running. I am not wasting my time with you. You already wasted enough of my time.
There is no double standard man. You are just trying to swing the deal in your favor so you come out the winner on top no matter what. That is the problem here. You get a USD refund and I get a USD refund and the remaining btc is still mine. It's the same in the end man.
Well duh, of course you would get them up and running right away. I do not care what you do with them from this point on.
Accept the 5.10 btc compensation and get lost please you have already stressed me enough with your greedy selfish self-entitled nonsense. You just can't take any business loss can you. You must always be on top, right?
I won't take responsibility for your mistakes. That is the bottom line. You got to grow a pair and be responsible for your actions. It is the principle for me at this point. I won't let up at any point, not until I get every penny of damages you caused.
January 11, 2016, 08:07:41 PM
Here is my opinion on the matter...
If the units were advertised correctly and the buyer had some issue with setting them up to run them to their full potential, then it is not the sellers fault and he should receive the units back, plus compensation for shipping, plus a reasonable estimate of what the units would have made in the amount of time they were not running at his location (as the buyer wasted the sellers time).
If the units were advertised incorrectly and the buyer is correct, then the buyer should receive their full payment back and be reimbursed for shipping. (If the coins are held in escrow much longer I would include a reasonable amount of interest as well).
That is my 2 cents, depending on how the situation really happened.
If the units were advertised correctly and the buyer had some issue with setting them up to run them to their full potential, then it is not the sellers fault and he should receive the units back, plus compensation for shipping, plus a reasonable estimate of what the units would have made in the amount of time they were not running at his location (as the buyer wasted the sellers time).
If the units were advertised incorrectly and the buyer is correct, then the buyer should receive their full payment back and be reimbursed for shipping. (If the coins are held in escrow much longer I would include a reasonable amount of interest as well).
That is my 2 cents, depending on how the situation really happened.
Thank you for weighing in.
So I guess first it comes to, what was really advertised and what was really delivered? Do we know that yet?
January 11, 2016, 08:06:50 PM
Here is my opinion on the matter...
If the units were advertised correctly and the buyer had some issue with setting them up to run them to their full potential, then it is not the sellers fault and he should receive the units back, plus compensation for shipping, plus a reasonable estimate of what the units would have made in the amount of time they were not running at his location (as the buyer wasted the sellers time).
If the units were advertised incorrectly and the buyer is correct, then the buyer should receive their full payment back and be reimbursed for shipping. (If the coins are held in escrow much longer I would include a reasonable amount of interest as well).
That is my 2 cents, depending on how the situation really happened.
If the units were advertised correctly and the buyer had some issue with setting them up to run them to their full potential, then it is not the sellers fault and he should receive the units back, plus compensation for shipping, plus a reasonable estimate of what the units would have made in the amount of time they were not running at his location (as the buyer wasted the sellers time).
If the units were advertised incorrectly and the buyer is correct, then the buyer should receive their full payment back and be reimbursed for shipping. (If the coins are held in escrow much longer I would include a reasonable amount of interest as well).
That is my 2 cents, depending on how the situation really happened.
Thank you for weighing in.
January 11, 2016, 08:02:58 PM
Quote from: scyth3
$620 + shipping and it is a deal.
I have the units are all boxed up already, I would prefer not to open them up again. The lowest I saw was 3TH, but most did more. I put a lot more packing materials in than KNC did, so they will stay put inside the box. They should make it there safely.
I have the units are all boxed up already, I would prefer not to open them up again. The lowest I saw was 3TH, but most did more. I put a lot more packing materials in than KNC did, so they will stay put inside the box. They should make it there safely.
Then take a USD refund. Not sure why there is a double standard here. I am taking DebitMe's advice and get them all up and running. I am not wasting my time with you. You already wasted enough of my time.
There is no double standard man. You are just trying to swing the deal in your favor so you come out the winner on top no matter what. That is the problem here. You get a USD refund and I get a USD refund and the remaining btc is still mine. It's the same in the end man.
Well duh, of course you would get them up and running right away. I do not care what you do with them from this point on.
Accept the 5.10 btc compensation and get lost please you have already stressed me enough with your greedy selfish self-entitled nonsense. You just can't take any business loss can you. You must always be on top, right?
January 11, 2016, 07:59:18 PM
Quote from: scyth3
$620 + shipping and it is a deal.
I have the units are all boxed up already, I would prefer not to open them up again. The lowest I saw was 3TH, but most did more. I put a lot more packing materials in than KNC did, so they will stay put inside the box. They should make it there safely.
I have the units are all boxed up already, I would prefer not to open them up again. The lowest I saw was 3TH, but most did more. I put a lot more packing materials in than KNC did, so they will stay put inside the box. They should make it there safely.
Then take a USD refund. Not sure why there is a double standard here. I am taking DebitMe's advice and get them all up and running. I am not wasting my time with you. You already wasted enough of my time.
January 11, 2016, 07:53:31 PM
Quote from: scyth3
$620 + shipping and it is a deal.
I have the units are all boxed up already, I would prefer not to open them up again. The lowest I saw was 3TH, but most did more. I put a lot more packing materials in than KNC did, so they will stay put inside the box. They should make it there safely.
I have the units are all boxed up already, I would prefer not to open them up again. The lowest I saw was 3TH, but most did more. I put a lot more packing materials in than KNC did, so they will stay put inside the box. They should make it there safely.
The units were advertised at 3 TH. None of them performed at that. They did not perform in fact, most cores just died and cubes dropped leading to a drop in hashrate to 600 to 1.5 TH on average. They were all over the place.
The units currently make 1.5K $ a month at today's difficulty. Seller gets that and MORE. 4.75 btc is $2118.50.
I am offering 4.75btc compensation to seller for his lost time + repair costs + shipping costs. Tell you what I will even go as high as 5.10 btc which is $2274 - Let's deal in USD terms here as the sale was from the beginning calculated in USD.
January 11, 2016, 07:52:23 PM
Here is my opinion on the matter...
If the units were advertised correctly and the buyer had some issue with setting them up to run them to their full potential, then it is not the sellers fault and he should receive the units back, plus compensation for shipping, plus a reasonable estimate of what the units would have made in the amount of time they were not running at his location (as the buyer wasted the sellers time).
If the units were advertised incorrectly and the buyer is correct, then the buyer should receive their full payment back and be reimbursed for shipping. (If the coins are held in escrow much longer I would include a reasonable amount of interest as well).
That is my 2 cents, depending on how the situation really happened.
If the units were advertised correctly and the buyer had some issue with setting them up to run them to their full potential, then it is not the sellers fault and he should receive the units back, plus compensation for shipping, plus a reasonable estimate of what the units would have made in the amount of time they were not running at his location (as the buyer wasted the sellers time).
If the units were advertised incorrectly and the buyer is correct, then the buyer should receive their full payment back and be reimbursed for shipping. (If the coins are held in escrow much longer I would include a reasonable amount of interest as well).
That is my 2 cents, depending on how the situation really happened.
January 11, 2016, 07:49:55 PM
I fail to understand how I am the crook when you held my miners and lied about them being broken. I can only sell them for 7.11BTC now and you bought them for 17.73BTC. The difference is your responsibility, I did nothing to breach the agreement, so you should be responsible for the bill.
Listen scammer. I bought them for $600 a piece, NOT 17.7 btc. 17.7 was the btc value at the time of sale. I agreed to pay the USD $ equivalent value and the BTC exchange rate has god damn nothing to do with it now! The deal was in USD not btc. Got it?! Stop trying to wriggle your way like a worm to get 17.7 btc. Take the 4.75 btc and go. That is my final offer.
I will take the $200 loss per miner. If you sell them for $400 a piece and add the $200 on top that I give you you are back with $600 which is what I originally paid. You lose no money.
Why don't you take a USD refund then? Why should I take a USD compensation? If you call me a fucking scammer again, I will come sue your bitch ass for defamation.
Holy crap man. You are just unbelievable. Even if I take a USD refund the remaining btc is still MINE. Where does that go?! To whom. To me!
January 11, 2016, 07:45:51 PM
I fail to understand how I am the crook when you held my miners and lied about them being broken. I can only sell them for 7.11BTC now and you bought them for 17.73BTC. The difference is your responsibility, I did nothing to breach the agreement, so you should be responsible for the bill.
Listen scammer. I bought them for $600 a piece, NOT 17.7 btc. 17.7 was the btc value at the time of sale. I agreed to pay the USD $ equivalent value and the BTC exchange rate has god damn nothing to do with it now! The deal was in USD not btc. Got it?! Stop trying to wriggle your way like a worm to get 17.7 btc. Take the 4.75 btc and go. That is my final offer.
I will take the $200 loss per miner. If you sell them for $400 a piece and add the $200 on top that I give you you are back with $600 which is what I originally paid. You lose no money.
Why don't you take a USD refund then? Why should I take a USD compensation? If you call me a fucking scammer again, I will come sue your bitch ass for defamation.
January 11, 2016, 07:44:53 PM
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Quote from: allinvain on October 28, 2015, 07:00:49 AM
Would you take $500 per miner + we pay shipping?
Where in the US are you located? (In case local pickup is a possibility).
Would you take $500 per miner + we pay shipping?
Where in the US are you located? (In case local pickup is a possibility).
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Sorry that's too low. Thanks
See. All my offer to your were in $, not BTC. I did not say will you take x btc for them did I??
January 11, 2016, 07:40:48 PM
I fail to understand how I am the crook when you held my miners and lied about them being broken. I can only sell them for 7.11BTC now and you bought them for 17.73BTC. The difference is your responsibility, I did nothing to breach the agreement, so you should be responsible for the bill.
Listen scammer. I bought them for $600 a piece, NOT 17.7 btc. 17.7 was the btc value at the time of sale. I agreed to pay the USD $ equivalent value and the BTC exchange rate has god damn nothing to do with it now! The deal was in USD not btc. Got it?! Stop trying to wriggle your way like a worm to get 17.7 btc. Take the 4.75 btc and go. That is my final offer.
I will take the $200 loss per miner. If you sell them for $400 a piece and add the $200 on top that I give you you are back with $600 which is what I originally paid. You lose no money.
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