Topic: [AEON] Aeon Speculation - page 69. (Read 190206 times)

You can literally do it with one stroke, without even lifting your pen???  æ  
  
Also, consider that perhaps we shouldn't be so worried about how easy it is to longhand write a digital currency symbol.  When was the last time you had to write something that wasn't filling out a form or signing your name?  I doodle for fun, but it's clear that all money and business has gone digital.  
  
I don't mind either way at this point, but I recognize the need to not bicker about it for 900 years.  So I think we should begin consolidating opinions at this point rather than bringing up new dissent.  Six months is enough time to debate something.  
  

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On the flip side, as I was walking through Wal-Mart last night I watched both a thick-spectacled grandma and a poor Mexican immigrant both clumsily playing with touch screen smart phones.  So the mobile era has finally reached all demographics here in the states.  I realize though that Aeon will have to be that simple if it wants mass adoption.  It needs to be baked into their smart phone, dead super easy for them to use, and secure enough that they don't have to worry about losing it.  
  
I recognize that may come from services built on top of the original protocol, but it is a necessary long-range vision.
  
  

When I tell people about Aeon I am often asked about what makes it different from Monero. It might help to update the OP both here and in the announcement thread to highlight the information contained in this post from smooth:


Right now this is my typical response:
https://twitter.com/aeoncurrency/status/689446842870796293

To me it seems very important if you can scribble the currency symbol quickly when you draw it by hand and when you write it next to a number.

And æ is a bit complicated. Not too much but it might be a slight hassle. Either you draw an 8 first and then a hook. Or you draw an a and e together. What i'm getting at is - it's not as easy as drawing a € or a $ sign.

8 and a hook. 8 and a hook. 8 and a hook. 8 and a hook. 8 and a hook. Try it on a paper! It gets easier and easier...

Æ looks easier but still not easy enough?

You should be able to not think about it and just do it with a few strokes.

Some good points here.

To play devil's advocate I'd also add that popular usage of æ would most likely transmute simply to ae out of sheer laziness. This then poses the question: Do we really want the dual-letter ae to be the defacto currency symbol...?

If not, then Æ may be a better choice. I would hazard a guess that Æ is less likely to decay to AE, than æ is to ae.

 
 
Meh, I've gone 'all-in' three ways: Bitcoin, Monero, and Aeon.  The only thing I think has a future that I don't own any of is Ethereum. 
 
If your 'tangle-based' (or whatever it is) currency can explain to me in simple terms why it is vastly superior to any of the above then I'll consider taking all upcoming savings and funneling into it as well.  But so far, I haven't seen anything concrete besides promises. 
 
In any case, it is considered off-topic for this topic, so let's return to Aeon - unless the method you are championing can somehow be incorporated into this blockchain (which I suspect it can't).  But talk is cheap, and Aeon is real and here now. 
 
If there ever exists a more elegant and technologically superior blockchain to it, I will have a look, but fact is (disregarding anything that has been promised to come out in the future) nothing like that exists today.

Thanks americanpegasus. And here is an example of why it is not wise to go "all in" on complex new technology:

You're right TPTB, no ideas are bad ideas at this point and all creativity is welcome.  All due respect to the pioneering work you did while I was still in my diapers learning QBASIC.  But sometimes it's fun to poke you.  Couldn't help myself.    
 
I definitely can be very territorial about the things I invest my time, money, and passion into.  This can be both a boon and a curse.  It is advantageous because enthusiasm is contagious, but can sometimes prevent me from being rational and neutral.

It is an i, O, and N. But the fact that the human is going to see other shapes and not focus on it being a word indicates the concept won't work. Realize I didn't spend any time analyzing the result. I just tried to make an integration of the letters with the concept of a electric charge traveling a path through the O. It obviously doesn't work well.


Yeah I think so too. Noticed that after quickly producing it in less than a minute.

It was just roughs for brainstorming what works and what doesn't.

You should learn the difference between conceptual rough brainstorm sketch that I did in 35 seconds, and serious attempts to produce an aesthetic graphical artwork. Take a look at the graphical art at CoolPage.com or the following ad I designed for WordUp in the 1990s. I also designed the concepts for packaging and the FONTZ! packaging was intended to be gaudy so it would stand out on retail shelves (I would do it more subdued, less saturated colors in a professional market). Note the final drawings were done by a female professional graphic artist in consultation with me on the concept I wanted to convey and my specification on how to convey the idea. For example, the color blasting out of the monitor is my specification.

The conceptual ideas presented for those currency symbols are:

1. Thinking about ways to visualize an ion or electric movement in a currency symbol, if possible. The result was quite poor, thus demonstrating so far it is difficult to convey that concept aesthetically.

2. Altering the angle of descent on the right side glyph from the A on the junction between A and E to obtain an E that appears to be more like lines coming out of a normal A (as compared to Æ), since currency symbols normally have lines extending out from the single currency character (not two characters overlapping).

I certainly hope you never invest in anything I do, because you are very territorial and this impacts your ability to be objective, open-minded, and creative. Everything is you buy low and everyone else follows you, you get rich and you are in control. It is unlikely to work out that way. Rpietila found out the hard way (and I warned him many times) what happens as an investor when you try to control a group of investors. What normally happens is you will get your hands burned for being too sure of yourself.

Your ego gets in the way of your objectivity in investing. This is a serious problem for an investor. It is much better to remain flexible. That is why buying huge quantities of a highly illiquid pink sheet stock is not usually rational. The better way is to buy small morsels along the way as progress is made and reevaluating at every juncture.

I was just seeing if I could add anything about the A+E symbol concept. Doesn't mean I am taking a huge interest in Aeon. I have an interest in seeing the community succeed in general. It is unlikely I could take a huge interest in Aeon in its current incarnation as a Cryptonote block chain design. But I don't rule out what can morph in the future.  I rather enjoy the flexibility to be creative and come what may.

TPTB, you may be a technical, economic, and possibly mathematical genius... But you have possibly the worst marketing and design sense imaginable.  It's like the Wheatley of design.  
  
But hey, we all have our talents.  I, for example, frequently fail at simple arithmetic.  Your enthusiasm and passion are always valued, and I'm honored that of all the many crypto projects in existence, you seem to be fascinated with this one.  

Don't forget though:  
  

  

The first one looks like a fork, plate and knife.

The second one would look better if the mid sections of A and E would connect imo.

Just did this for brainstorming...





I prefer the second one and it has a nearly equivalent in unicode Æ. For my eye, thesecond one above looks more like a currency symbol than the unicode approximation.

That might look good but might be confused with gambling.

I agree without a circle, but I am not totally set on "without any shape whatsoever around it".  I need to do some experimentation: how would a diamond around it look?  A horizontally stretched diamond?  A horizontally stretched hexagon?  An upside-down triangle? 
  
Anyway, its good to see Aeon still inspiring interest in this tumultuous times.  I'm hoping we can get an official new release that will work with a smaller memory footprint soon.  There's only five cryptocurrencies in this world that matter right now, as far as I can see: an Aeon is one of them.  

But that means the prior logic of needing something that will work interim to getting your symbol into the Unicode table is violated.

Also BTC is more clearly not a misprint (even before we knew of Bitcoin). It creates curiosity and is a marketing lead. Significant difference. The symbol æ is abusing old english text and you will likely suffer for this unless you append 'on' to the tail. Well that is my 2 cents input.

The only reason you can use the Bitcoin symbol and be understood is because it is universally acknowledged.  There was a time when a B with a line through it would look like a misprint. 
 
In time, the joined "ae" will also become second nature. 
 

The proposed currency symbol 'æ' without any decoration seems to be somewhat aesthetically pleasing when written immediately adjacent to a price as you have shown. But I use the BTC symbol in my writing often not next to any number, where even bolded æ seems almost a misprint.

The prioritization of being able to type a Unicode symbol into a UTF-8 text document makes assumptions which might not hold true:

• User doesn't have æ key on his keyboard and can't figure out how to search for the symbol on Google and copy+paste it.
• The document format doesn't support Unicode correctly.
• The renderer doesn't render the specific Unicode character.
• The document is HTML so it could support an image or other CSS means of superimposing decoration on a glyph.
• The symbol æ is intellectually confusing in some contexts, e.g. when not adjacent to a number which is a price in the context.

I would compare the tradeoffs of that prioritization to the ideas for a more aesthetically and less intellectually confusing symbol.

The symbol æon or æon but with all the letters overlapped, might be aesthetic, compact, intellectually obvious, and a USP as being the first not to use lines or circle in a currency symbol. Would need to be an image, but can be simulated with text as shown. I think I like it!

Edit: image this symbol for Ion: -⊙ n but without the space before the 'n'. Need to search for a better Unicode character as there are several circles with dots in the center. I really like that also. Not very cartoonish. And very, very unique.

I still like the name Ion and the currency symbol of a circle with a dot in the center and maybe a vertical line to connotate money. For me that is a much better name than Aeon in some respects but in other respect Aeon is better. Shorter, more technically appealing, sexier, and connotates electronic money. Many people are sad I gave away that name. Perhaps you should use it. Some people will think the old english 'æ' looks anarchic thus is a dubious USP. Then again the bullseye circle with dot in center for Ion is a bit cartoonish perhaps. An empty circle can have the negative connotation of vacuity.

I am contemplating for my coin's symbol/logo to be a lightning bolt, ⚡, superimposed upon a faint letter 'e' (either drawn with dotted lines or thin strokes) if this works at a small size.

Oic you all are discussing the currency symbol, not the logo. Or the currency symbol will also be the logo.

Since I now know you are discussing the currency symbol, the discussion about whether to put a circle around it seems to make more sense in terms of being a higher priority discussion (because a circle delineates the otherwise purely textual symbol from nearby text, as well simulating a coin).

Forthecurrencysymbol,e.g.

_____ |A|E| |O|N|

, there is also desire for it to be a Unicode symbol, so that it can be copy+pasted into UTF-8 text documents.

However, I think what is more important is to produce understanding and something more visually pleasing. If your coin becomes as popular as Bitcoin (which has miniscule adoption also), then your symbol gets added to the Unicode table (as it has for Bitcoin). The 'æ' symbol (with no decoration) in a document is going to be more confusing than positive, so you are going to making an image any way, perhaps with a circle around it. I think I prefer something like a circle with 'aeon' written vertically centered (will look clean and unique). For a larger version of the logo, the 'aeon' could be rendered as being inserted into a horizontal slot in the coin like a vending machine. Or what ever imagery you can think of which also works at the small size for embedding into text (assuming you really want the currency symbol and the logo to look the same). Or perhaps just the 'æ' inside a circle for the currency symbol and 'æon' inside of a circle for the larger logo. If you want to emphasize swiftness, then instead of a circle, you could use speed trails (horizontal lines on the left side) of the text ('æ' and  'æon'). I think there are unicode symbols for these speed lines. Thus you'd have a purely Unicode currency symbol and logo. But this might not be understood to be a currency symbol (no connotation to money). The simplest seems to be 'æ' with a vertical line(s) for currency.

As you know, always try to emphasize a UPS, but the most you may be able to do w.r.t. to the currency symbol is the smashing together of 'a' and 'e', but you still need to decorate it so that it connotates money.