Topic: [AEON] Aeon Speculation - page 70. (Read 190166 times)

The logo is a graphical representation of the currency symbol æ. According to prior group conversations here and elsewhere, it was deemed logical that a currency should be primarily represented by a symbol, not a logo. As is the case with $ and £ and € and ¥ and Ƀ.

Thus, the logo (as according to the prior discussions) is merely a representation of the symbol that best represents the currency.

Of course, that philosophy (in my view a good one) is not neccesarily set in stone. Neither is the currency symbol.

But until an overwhelming community based decision to change the current impetus wins out, this is the current trajectory we find ourselves on.

I want to make a point about the logo. First of all, Aeon is very short already and it doesn't to me have any strong meaning. It is more of neat sounding, nebulous word.

Thus I don't think people are going to associate a logo of "ae" to "aeon", because they never heard of Aeon before any way.

Thus if at all pleasing graphically, I would put the entire word "aeon" in the logo. K.I.S.S.

I did donate Ion.cash to this project and if you decided to use that name, you could maybe do something more 'ionic' with the imagery. But at this point, seems best you stay with Aeon.

My favorite so far.

Thank you. Also talking about potential designs here (and I suggest everyone read the linked post below as it may impact your design for Aeon):

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13560889

As smooth stated recently upthread, no one man developer can code everything for an ecosystem by himself lonesome. And to create a new block chain design from all new code base (not a single line of code from any other crypto currency thus far) is a significant undertaking. One would hope that efforts could be merged at some point (not necessarily to Aeon, just speaking generally) so as to optimize use of available resources. But orthogonal experimentation is also valuable at this nascent stage of crypto currency. Yet at the time, there is some urgency due to the fact that the developing world is rapidly transitioning into the digital age and Bitcoin (or other plans of the powers that be) are not standing still. Although Bitcoin has a serious scaling and Tragedy of the Commons issues, which is arguably stalling it. Note those are paradigmatic issues I am working on.

So all-in-all, I hope you can understand why I tried to convince smooth to work with me before he was too deep into the Aeon project, but he had already accepted it when I approached him. And my ideas were still too unrefined. Also at that time it looked as though Aeon was a testbed for Monero (or at least that was one of the USPs for it) and at that (June) time I was developing Zero Knowledge Transactions (which I since decided not to implement) so it felt to me that I was rocking the apple cart too much and I wasn't confident enough to risk disturbing other things underway for something that I wasn't sure if I could really accomplish. Also smooth is doing much better with Aeon than he would had we worked on a coin together, so my decision appears to have been correct. I was correctly judging that the risks for me are severe primarily because of a chronic (probably pathological) health issue that is causing me to have erratic (mental, physical, and especially psychological) performance. The health issue is so dominant in my life (it is always there, no relief) that it has changed me from the "say less, code more, methodical achiever" person I was into something I am not quite sure how to describe and characterize.

I am not sure where this is all leading. For now, I guess we can just characterize it as experimentation. Cheers.

P.S. in the upthread discussion about marketing to the developing world markets, I still hold close to my chest (for the time being) some other thoughts about that which I think are much more realistic and a paradigmatic shift in terms of the purpose and goal of what I was leading into.

Without circle.

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Me too. No one knows where this stuff will go. So it's good to brainstorm

He is working on a coin. Thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/necash-cash-neteys-or-vies-name-anonymints-vapor-coin-1219023

TPTB, you seem to have vast programming knowledge and some great ideas or at least willing to try. Why dont you jump in and help out?  Or start up a coin of your own?

I think everyone can ask whenever he or she wants. If someone think it's time to ask after LMDB he or she can wait and ask later. That's how natural "organic" asks look like. Otherwise it can turn into polo flood.

I filed coin request on poloniex months ago right after bittrex listed it.

https://twitter.com/aeoncurrency/status/687654160045617153

Its poll time. Cast your vote!

When should we ask @Poloniex to list #aeon alongside its other #CryptoNote coins like #monero and #boolberry?

1. Now
2. After LMDB
3. After GUI

I enjoy the TPTB posts too as they often contain real wisdom even if he does get long winded and off topic at times. Marketing to emerging economies is something we should all think about more.

It's not my thread so it's not up to me but I wouldn't say that talking about potential markets is really a thread jack.

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Sorry for the threadjack  

We can lead a horse to water but we can't make him drink.

Sometimes it is too difficult to change and try radical new things. The cost of failure may be too great. The cost of discarding existing inertia may be too heavy. The resources needed may not be aligned and available.

true haha, laundry soap, dishwashing liquid, canned foods, alcoholic and soft drinks etc. just look at a sari-sari store, and these stores are everywhere infesting housing subdivisions




hmmm.. I think he's on to something here, might have a network effect.

So when we start to consider attrition rate then we will see that your block chain design which impacts your client design has to be very different than the kind of wallets we are making for investors/speculators.

Thus much of the work we are doing in crypto is not even aligned to the mass market. So it is no wonder that Coinbase can just grab our users because we are too inept.

Primary because we have server programmers who are not marketers nor user interface specialists trying to run projects. That is one of the main reasons I didn't join Monero nor Aeon.

I have seen some quality UI and websites in the Monero ecosystem, but still the wallets that I've seen are not at all designed correctly for mass markets.

In short, we don't expend any resources on the areas we need to. So no great wonder we get the shitty adoption results we do. We have no marketing experts (except maybe the Dogecoin devs)

I looked at GetGems website and they are doing it all wrong! Maybe all their UI is in their apps which I haven't looked at but their website is any indication then they are not addressing the markets I envision.

Marketing is very nuanced. When you broadstroke as smooth is, you can miss swaths sometimes.

It is so ironic you all are expending valuable time and energy posting about a circle on a logo (which is inane and pointless detail relative to its potential relative impact) and not even tuned in to the potentially huge markets that you are blissfully ignoring.

Smooth be careful thinking you know the Philippines better than me. I lived here since the 1990s. I have seen all the changes up close.

Of course they have some fiat, but for many still not enough to pay their daily needs. They get a hand me down mobile or that is their prized possession, but they still don't have enough money to pay the telecom provider always, so their phone is only fully active some of the time. They rely on free data from Facebook to be always online but this means they can't access the web.

There are facts like these which give me unique insights.


Only <1% of the population in the Philippines has a credit card or something like that. None of the people we know have a credit card. There is no top off sevice that is instant access. There is GCash from Globe telecom (and SmartMoney from Smart telecom) but there is no way filipinos are going to travel to the Globe or Smart office and stand in a long time in order to sign up for some measily electronic token online. I did see the first ATM top off at my gym just recently so maybe that will change over the coming years, but for the meantime the situation is still as I stated.

You don't have a clue about marketing if you don't understand attrition rate.


That is the most clueless statement ever. Not to be condescending, but seriously you have no clue about marketing or what you are talking about.

You don't factor in attribition rate to any of your analysis. There is no way the referral system can work if people have to go obtain Bitcoin. No one here has a clue how to do it and it would consume a whole day of effort to get it done even if they knew how. I know because I have purchased bitCoin here with cash and it takes me at least a half of day.

We are talking about very small morsels of tokens.

Another thing you do not understand is that filipinos for example do everything in small morsels. They buy their shampoo in 10ml packets, they buy their cooking oil daily from a vendor in small cellophane. Etc..

You are not thinking correctly from their economy-of-scale perspective.

Marketing is a very detailed science.



High tech filipinos probably doing that but that is not the masses. Many (I think most) filipinos find they are not confident enough or not qualified for online work of that sort.

Some of the college grads of the better universities dabble in something like that if they have the inclination and their degree did not give them a better opportunity. So it only fits to some. A graduating doctor would prefer to practice medicine.


You are so defeatist.

In the west maybe, but then again we don't know all the things being done with Bitcoin that we can't see!

Multiply by a 1000 perhaps in the developing world because the laws are much more lax here. We don't really know. And people have more incentive to ignore laws here and they have an attitude of ignoring laws as much as possible.

My thought is that the youth here have a very big incentive to adopt anything that pays them even a $1 a day if it means they can do it from the mobile phone at home at their leisure.

That is far too indirect to be effective in my opinion.

Mass users have a different set of priorities and crypto wouldn't be something they would naturally be looking at and already organized into some relevant forum. We have to offer them an incentive which they already related to. And then connect that incentive(s) to the crypto until it starts to click that these things are worthwhile tokens for holding and using. Note I am purposefully not using the word money because I don't want to be involved with any illegal unregistered investment securities, thus I am sorry I am not interested in Aeon because it has been marketed to speculators directly.

Apologies for the thread jack and we can stop at any time.

I am exasperated and trying to make a decision what I am doing with my technology, ideas, and career.